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Riz said:
I just can't see him scoring 50 for us over the next 3 seasons, furthermore a 36 year old Rooney still knocking in 10 goals a season?
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He scored 42 goals in the last 3 seasons, while playing for many games (I would say most of them) as No.10. On the two recent seasons he played as No.1 he scored 26, respectively 27 goals. I am not saying that he'll repeat that, but 17 goals per season isn't beyond Rooney's ability.

He probably won't get 50, but very likely he'll get 40 league goals in the next 3 seasons. Won't be enough to threaten Shearer's record though.
 
Skorenzy said:
Henry could (and probably would) have done better if he had played the same amount of seasons/games in the PL as Shearer.

Shearer: 260 in 441 apps (0.59 gpg) over 14 seasons
Henry: 175 in 258 apps (0.68 gpg) over 8 seasons (and a half)
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Possibly. That's part of why I think it'll stand so long. It requires staying in the league for more or less a whole career, which probably rules out most if not all foreigners. It's easy to forget just how many injuries Shearer put up with, too. He'd have broken 300 otherwise.
 
Revan said:
Not neccesarily. If Ronaldo would ave stayed here, he would have easily broken that record.

The problem though is to get an absolutely top player who will be in England for 15 seasons or so.
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Which is why Rooney's the obvious comparison. A homegrown, undoubtedly world class player at his peak, whose been here for 10+ seasons playing for a largely dominant team, and will likely break the long standing scoring records for both Manchester United and England in the very near future, and he's still a good 75 short of Big Al. Which takes nothing away from Wayne, only highlights how remarkable Shearer was.

But Kane can easily get close. Obviously.

Skorenzy said:
Henry could (and probably would) have done better if he had played the same amount of seasons/games in the PL as Shearer.

Shearer: 260 in 441 apps (0.59 gpg) over 14 seasons
Henry: 175 in 258 apps (0.68 gpg) over 8 seasons (and a half)
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Kag said:
Possibly. That's part of why I think it'll stand so long. It requires staying in the league for more or less a whole career, which probably rules out most if not all foreigners. It's easy to forget just how many injuries Shearer put up with, too. He'd have broken 300 otherwise.
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It's one of those false impression comparissons, because it assumes that Henry would stay exactly that consistent for another 6 seasons (which would put him two years into his NY Red Bulls phase... Hardly peak Henry) If we highlighted Shearer's stats from only the 8 year period from 93 to 2000, they'd probably match.*

*EDIT: They do. Eerily in fact. He'd be on 0.67 gpg - 216 in 324.
 
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Mockney said:
Which is why Rooney's the obvious comparison. A homegrown, undoubtedly world class player at his peak, whose been here for 10+ seasons playing for a largely dominant team, and will likely break the long standing scoring records for both Manchester United and England in the very near future, and he's still a good 75 short of Big Al. Which takes nothing away from Wayne, only highlights how remarkable Shearer was.

But Kane can easily get close. Obviously.
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The Rooney problem is that he just wasn't an absolute top player (or at-least wasn't so bar 3-5 years). Still, he has a few seasons less than Shearer. If he scores 40 goals in the next 3 seasons, and then 30 goals in the rest of his career, he would have 245 goals, only 15 less goals than Shearer.

By an absolute top player, I meant someone better than Rooney. Not neccesarily Ronaldo/Messi level (they would do it for 7-8 seasons in their top level), but even an Aguero/Neymar type of player who would have stayed for his entire career at England, would have a great chance of breaking the record.

Kane comparison's are way too early. He needs to perform for another 5 seasons or so to be mentioned in that bracket and as a possible candidate of breaking the record.
 
Revan said:
By an absolute top player, I meant someone better than Rooney. Not neccesarily Ronaldo/Messi level (they would do it for 7-8 seasons in their top level), but even an Aguero/Neymar type of player who would have stayed for his entire career at England, would have a great chance of breaking the record..
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Which is the point. No ones saying Shearer is the greatest player who ever lived, but to have to be a top eschelon player of Neymar like quality, playing here your entire career to even be in with a chance of beating him, basically illustrates how undervalued he is. And how optimistic it is to compare him to Kane already.
 
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Riz said:
I just can't see him scoring 50 for us over the next 3 seasons, furthermore a 36 year old Rooney still knocking in 10 goals a season?
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If we stick with him as an out-and-out striker hw should be getting over 16 pre season, so it's not unreasonable.

Admittedly, his physique leaves us to believe that he'll be finished relatively young, but on the other hand it's not like he's all about pace. And 36 is a fairly average sort of age to call it a day.

Chances are he'll fall short, but he should be reasonably close. I'm going for about 240.
 
Shearer was the best player ever to play in the PL for me. The aim of the game is to score goals. Ronaldo and henry for different reasons offered so much but the record is there with Shearer. Its like those who say Tiger trumps Jack....
 
Revan said:
They haven't done that though. Kane scored 31 goals last season, Beattile, Philips and Johnson weren't close (the other two were before my time).

But more importantly, they didn't do it when they were Kane's age. When Beatties was Kane's age he scored 6 goals in 70 or appearances. When Philips was Kane's age he was playing in first and second division. When Johnson was Kane's age he was still playing in Division 1. Only Bent comes close, but still it is a difference of 9 goals.
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I am counting league goals. The highest level they have played at, not against some Macedonia team in the Europa league who are part time goat herders.

Everyone matures and gets their breaks at different ages. Drogba was still playing in Ligue 2 at the age of 24. James Vaughan was scoring in the PL at 16. James Vaughan > Drogba?

And no, Bent is ahead of Kane whatever you say, Kane might be a better player, but Bent was consistently in the top 5 goals scorer for 5 out of 6 seasons. Kane has only had 1 good season and is being valued at 40m..
 
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RedorDead21 said:
Shearer was the best player ever to play in the PL for me. The aim of the game is to score goals. Ronaldo and henry for different reasons offered so much but the record is there with Shearer. Its like those who say Tiger trumps Jack....
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Agree 100%.
Shearer was a goal machine and that is the aim of the game.
I remember when a manager was interviewed and he stated the most difficult part of the game is to score goals...and that's what Shearer was able to do, against all teams.
Henry was fantastic, but for Shearer remains the best striker I have seen play in the EPL.
 
Shearer would've gotten Dixie Dean numbers had he played for us in the Giggs-Beckham era.

I'll stop talking about Shearer now.
 
I'm wary of him. He looked really really good in the PL last season, that's obvious. But he's had two international tournaments - U-20 and U-21 and has looked naff in both of them.
 
Excellent goal he scored against MLS All-Stars. When you look at his striking technique you'd be surprised if this guy is a one-season wonder, as he strikes a ball from range and generates just as much power as practically any PL player.
 
Mockney said:
It is pretty easy to be the top PL goalscorer of all time by a clear 70 goals, tbf.
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he can be a starter who hugely contribute every season. say 15+ goals every season he has it in him, if he surpass shearer in goals nobody knows but he has the attitude and potential to reach the level of such striker - not the very top tier like Ronaldo, Ronaldo, Henry, Messi but the "second" tier like Owen, perhaps Rooney or whoever was great player in one league and lead the line for his team to success.
 
Glanville95 said:
Excellent goal he scored against MLS All-Stars. When you look at his striking technique you'd be surprised if this guy is a one-season wonder, as he strikes a ball from range and generates just as much power as practically any PL player.
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I'm telling you. He could come here and get records like RVN.
 
SilentWitness said:
I'm wary of him. He looked really really good in the PL last season, that's obvious. But he's had two international tournaments - U-20 and U-21 and has looked naff in both of them.
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Bit like John Stones then. ;)
 
DWelbz19 said:
Bit like John Stones then. ;)
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Bit of a difference in that Stones has had two good seasons with us - last season and the year before which isn't spoken about as it's only this year that people have picked up on him, and he only had one game in the U-21 tournament which was unfortunately off the back of a concussion. He was playing RB too in the U-20 WC.
 
Mockney said:
Shearer would've gotten Dixie Dean numbers had he played for us in the Giggs-Beckham era.

I'll stop talking about Shearer now.
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He'd have scored 50 odd goals a year with us and his goals would have won us the CL before 1999 as well.

A phenomenal striker that followed his heart rather than his head when he joined Newcastle.
 
I remember back in '96, when we were attempting to get Shearer.
Rumour had it that while Newcastle offered £15M, we offered £18.5M - both of these figures were World Record transfer fees.
We were desperate for a striker who could score goals in the CL and Shearer was the most logical choice, whichever way you looked at it...then he went and signed for Newcastle instead.

Given Shearer's heading ability, in a team with Beckham (the best crosser of the ball I've ever seen), Shearer would've got huge numbers of goals.

Lets not forget though, we did get Yorke, instead and then eventually RvN....so it wasnt all doom and gloom.

In 2015 though, there is a bit of gloom. We scored 3 goals in our last 6 EPL games and we are starting the season with a weaker attack than last year.
 
Why has the thread suddenly gone spazzo ... Are their concrete rumours that we are about to sign him?
 
Mockney said:
Shearer would've gotten Dixie Dean numbers had he played for us in the Giggs-Beckham era.

I'll stop talking about Shearer now.
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it's an interesting theory and seems obvious.

But you look at Andy Cole, who scored his highest total at Newcastle. Then came to us as a better team, and while scoring loads still, never equalled the Newcastle haul.
At better teams it's always about building it round one player, so it might have panned out that Shearer played a very key role but the numbers weren't as high.

Although RVN came in and utterly smashed Cole's goal scoring away, so most likely Shearer would have done the same.
 
I'll never buy into the theory that the better the team is the more goals the striker will get. RvP scored his highest ever tally in possibly Arsenal's worst team under Wenger, and couldn't match that tally when he moved to us then.
 
Shearer scored an absurd number of penalties. Rooney might not catch him but I doubt he'll end up with nearly 60 penalties either, Cole wouldn't be that far behind Shearer if you discount penalties.

(Rooney is shit at penalties to be fair though)
 
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Ixion said:
Shearer scored an absurd number of penalties. Rooney might not catch him but I doubt he'll end up with nearly 60 penalties either, Cole wouldn't be that far behind Shearer if you discount penalties.

(Rooney is shit at penalties to be fair though)
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Shearer was also injured for nearly an entire year which Cole wasn't.

Cole was a great player for us, but he wasn't clinical at all. Put Shearer in the same United team and he would have scored a ridiculous amount of goals.
 
Why aren't we unsettling him at the very least? Comon woddy, a 25 million bid to test waters.
 
Garethw said:
Shearer was also injured for nearly an entire year which Cole wasn't.

Cole was a great player for us, but he wasn't clinical at all. Put Shearer in the same United team and he would have scored a ridiculous amount of goals.
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Cole suffered two broken legs and didn't even play in the first Premier league season as Newcastle were in Division One so that year is neither here nor there really.
 
Neil67 said:
Especially if he hits the ground running again at the start of the season, let's hope it's not against us on Saturday!
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Yeah and we struggle to convert chances etc.

Cue: Giggsy interviews a few weeks later re 'we were always looking at him, wanted to give him more time to develop at Spurs/see how he fares, but once City were in for him/we needed a finisher, we had to fast track the deal...'
 
Think he'll eventually end up here. Hopefully next season.

Will definitely not join a different London club as long as Levy is around and it's almost a certainty they won't sell to their rivals so that rules out Arsenal/Chelsea. City are content and rightly so with Aguero as their first choice striker. That only leaves us or staying in Spurs.
 
Cina said:
I'll never buy into the theory that the better the team is the more goals the striker will get. RvP scored his highest ever tally in possibly Arsenal's worst team under Wenger, and couldn't match that tally when he moved to us then.
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Something that ever amazed me (people who buy that theory). In recent months we have seen people saying that Ings/Berahino/Benteke scored X goals for the midtable shit team, so for a team like United he would score at least X + Y goals. It just never works that way. We have seen countless examples of players who made the big jumpt to a top team and suddenly they weren't able to score near that much. While obviously in top teams those players play with better players, they also have less space (the opponents are all in defense) and aren't anymore the main man at their teams.

To a degree this could be said for Shearer (who IMO was a brilliant striker). He wouldn't score 50 goals for us. RvN who was comparable with him didn't score that many goals, Ronaldo who was better didn't score that many and Henry who was better didn't score that many for Arsenal (who were as good as us). Although, it is very likely that with Shearer we would have won another couple of EPL and probably an another UCL.

Anyway, Kane would score at least 45 goals for us cause he scored 31 for Spurs.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Think he'll eventually end up here. Hopefully next season.

Will definitely not join a different London club as long as Levy is around and it's almost a certainty they won't sell to their rivals so that rules out Arsenal/Chelsea. City are content and rightly so with Aguero as their first choice striker. That only leaves us or staying in Spurs.
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I dunno, I think it has to happen this year. If not, either he turns out to be a one season wonder and we no longer want him, or he doesn't and then he will be too expensive for us.
 
Really don't know about this guy. I watched him closely last season, and there were times when he looked fantastic. Brilliant awareness in the box with such a good instinctive eye for goal. I'm sure he's going to get better and better, but maybe a little inconsistent. The only issue I have is that he would mysterious go missing in games and do very little.
 
T_Model101 said:
Imagine a Cantona-Shearer strike partnership....
God, we'd have probably won everything.
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Keep in mind that by not signing Shearer, we did indeed end up with a duo which helped us win everything a few years later. Individually Cantona and Shearer were different class but, as a partnership, would they've been as lethal as Yorke & Cole during the treble season?
 
vidic blood & sand said:
Really don't know about this guy. I watched him closely last season, and there were times when he looked fantastic. Brilliant awareness in the box with such a good instinctive eye for goal. I'm sure he's going to get better and better, but maybe a little inconsistent. The only issue I have is that he would mysterious go missing in games and do very little.
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I have to agree with you. It's really hard to tell how good he really is. He seem to be very down to earth as a person and also very determined. I think many players today have received so much special training compared to 10-15 years ago that they are able to overcome weaknesses in their game. Harry Kane looks extremely fit and that's probably why he can keep up with the game despite being so tall. For a striker of his size he's actually quite mobile.
 
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