I love how this is always thrown out at Spurs fans as if anybody has ever said any different. Relax Utd fans - we know Utd is one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Harry Kane | Real willing to prepare world-record £200m bid [The Times]
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I love how this is always thrown out at Spurs fans as if anybody has ever said any different. Relax Utd fans - we know Utd is one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Glaston seems to think that Spurs can overtake United because of what happened in the past where you won nothing but qualified for the CL.
It's as if the last two seasons never happened.
He is talking about league position not size of club. You know that.
It's a fallacy. What does last season and the season before signify in relation to the present season? Nothing. League position this season has no relation to league position last season, or the season before. So what is the point exactly?
Just that we have been there or there abouts in the last few years and are now one of the clubs in the league that are fighting for the top spots. I don't think anybody would disagree with that. We are showing a consistency in our league position that we really haven't had in decades. Doesn't mean we are better or bigger than any other club - it's just evidence that as a club Spurs are improving and most people would see us as a serious club who could be considered as a title/trophy contender.
Nothing against Spurs, but following Glaston's historical logic, it seems you aren't improving but are declining as you're currently 5th. You've regressed on your last two seasons whilst others have improved.
It's amazing how proficient spurs fans are at shoehorning their new stadium into every discussion. You'd think they never had one before...
Anyway, the idea that they could hold on to Kane amidst serious interest is fanciful. If Real really want him then they'll get him. Magical, mystical new stadium of wonder or not.
Anyway, the idea that they could hold on to Kane amidst serious interest is fanciful. If Real really want him then they'll get him. Magical, mystical new stadium of wonder or not.
Apparently the trend theory isn't that linear.
That's old news. Retweets is the new fad
Interesting dream. Even West Ham, Newcastle and Everton wants to make big signings. Fact is that great players don’t want to sign for clubs like Tottenham and Everton, they aren’t big enough, have no history and money. None of these teams win any trophies. A new stadium counts for sweet f ‘all - it’s not like anyone cares about Atletico Madrid’s new stadium in Spain. It’s a new stadium, not a very big one either.
Lucas Moura is not a big signing is he?
Only takes another few seasons for City to show they've overtaken the mighty Spurs
Ok mate.
It's not even a case of Spurs being worse than they were, but City, Us and Liverpool have improved dramatically whilst Chelsea are about the same, if a little worse than last season.
A more traditional top four is asserting itself again and I don't see how Spurs keep up. They don't have the financial power to attract world class players. They have to go for the tier below and hope it works out. Also, with the new stadium (which could be a positive or negative), failure to secure European football on a regular basis, or a slide down the league table, would put immense pressure on the club. Think Arsenal but without consistent top four finishes.
I do think Kane will stay with them for a couple of more season regardless of what happens, which means they'll always have a chance. But they'll never win the league, that window of opportunity is long gone, if it were going to happen then the season Leicester won it (and even last season) was Spurs' best chance.
It may be very difficult - very unlikely, etc. etc. but you can't say never.
Not in the foreseeable future, I mean. City are miles ahead of us, and we're ahead of you, Liverpool and Arsenal (not only in terms of league position, but in terms of personnel and capital).
It could happen, but it would require City, United and Chelsea to massively under perform, and Spurs to be the best out of the second group which contains them, Liverpool and Arsenal. The top PL teams are starting to show consistency for the first time in years and Spurs will always be playing catch up.
Speculate to accumulate. It makes sense if Levy is willing to loosen the purse strings and find some money. A couple of bigger name players would help convince players thinking of moving to stick around, and as you say, make a statement as they move into their new home.
So Real are planning to spend half a billion pounds on Kane, Neymar and De Gea? Of course they are.
When he does eventually go it will be for that sort of money id imagine. Especially if he adds another 20+ goal season(nm i just checked his stats, hes already gone past 20 goals lol) and yet another golden boot.
Levy must be rubbing his hands together, pay off a good chunk of that swish new stadium. Or give Pochettino a decent war chest to wade into the xfer market.
Was it Arsenal that kicked him out of their youth academy and then he joined Spurs?
Levy must be rubbing his hands together, pay off a good chunk of that swish new stadium. Or give Pochettino a decent war chest to wade into the xfer market.
Was it Arsenal that kicked him out of their youth academy and then he joined Spurs?
If any club is going to test Levy's resolve, then it will be Madrid. Its not very often they don't get what they want.
On a different point, and it may just be me, but Harry Kane doesn't strike me as as someone that would really push to get to that level of club, i cant help but think he is going to be happy at Spurs (which isn't a bad level at all) for his career, and could miss out of being on the world stage at the highest level.
On the flip side, he also doesn't seem like the typical, marketable Galactico. Seems a bit dim.
On a different point, and it may just be me, but Harry Kane doesn't strike me as as someone that would really push to get to that level of club, i cant help but think he is going to be happy at Spurs (which isn't a bad level at all) for his career, and could miss out of being on the world stage at the highest level.
On the flip side, he also doesn't seem like the typical, marketable Galactico. Seems a bit dim.
Firstly - that's not very nice. Secondly - I wasn't aware being a 'marketable Galactico' meant being particularly smart.
Unlike the other scholars that turn out for Real.
I go along with this.
Good luck to him if he goes and I think he will, world class talent and a genial guy.
Wish there were more English players with his ability.
Wish there were more English players with his ability.
Kane is contracted until summer 2022, at which point he'll be turning 29. He's gonna move for mega money unless he really wants to spend most of his prime years at Spurs.
I think he does - though only if we continue to build the club and show progress towards winning stuff. If everything is going the right way at the club I honestly can see him staying here his entire career - if it doesn't then he'll be gone within 3 years.
1) He may want Spurs as a cash cow and this would be a drastic change to do this.
2) You are 11th richest with income of £305.6. That's sandwiched between Dortmund and Juve, none of which spend near 100 mill net. Liverpool are above you and are on minus 500k net. Chelsea are also above you on the rich list and their manager has recently complained about spending power. The only clubs that spend like this are PSG (oil rich), City (oil rich), Bayern £505.1 million revenue, Barcelona - Top 3 richest, Man Utd - richest in the world.
You aren't out of the austerity woods yet, but it is nice to have optimism. Be careful, as the Gooners were preaching the same.
1) If Levy simply wanted Spurs as a "cash cow" then the club wouldn't have invested not far short of £1 billion in the new stadium complex and new training centre - he and the other shareholders would simply taken huge dividends instead, whereas no dividends at all have been paid in many of the past years.
2) You need to look at net spend over a period of years, not just one particular year. What has Liverpool's net spend been over the last 5 years? And Juve's?
Spurs average annual net spend over the last 5 years has been just 3.2m euros (Liverpool's annual average during this period has been over 10 times higher). So if we net-spend £100m (say) this summer, that would bring our average net spend per year over the last 6 years to just 19.5m euros per year.
If you don't think, with a far lower wage bill than many and with an annual income of £305.6m as of some while ago (it will be more now, and much more next year), that Spurs can't easily afford an average annual net spend of only 19.5m euros, then you are either indulging in pure wishful thinking or fondly imagining that Spurs are some minnow club.
It's entirely reasonable to believe that, following years and years of careful not-spending, the club can easily - and will - splash out in this coming summer's run-up to our new stadium. That doesn't mean we'll spend £100m net every year, but it means we could easily do so this one particular summer.
The underlying point is that to some extent Spurs have 'pre-loaded' their stadium-related austerity - as our wage bill and previous net-spend shows. It doesn't mean that all austerity is over, but it does mean that the levels of future austerity will be lower than some like to think.
Exactly so. If ever there was a time for Spurs to splash out a little, this summer is it.
How strange then, that Spurs have so many great players that so many other clubs want to sign: the Caf is chock-a-block with endless predictions of how Kane, Eriksen, Alli, Alderweireld etc are all going to Real Madrid, or Barca, or United etc etc etc.
How many of Everton's players are similarly desired? Pretty much none. And the same goes for W.Ham and Newcastle.
In any case, you seem entirely ignorant of all the great players who have signed for Spurs over the years.
Lol ... the season is not over, much as you'd clearly like it to be. Besides, last season we we're being dumped out of the Europa league, whilst this season were about to play Juve in the CL.
Last season (and the season before) you were second (and third) at this stage. This season you're fifth. Though you are about to be dumped out of the CL by Juventus.
I agree Tottenham shouldn’t be lumped in with Everton and West Ham (wtf). They are an attractive proposition - good coach, good players, in London, new stadium on the way, in recent times battling for the league. When was the last Everton had a chance at a league title?
"... at this stage" ... lol. How about waiting for the season's end before making your pronouncements about "decline"? In any case, advance or decline rarely follows a straight line - usually it's two steps forward and one step back, or the reverse.
As for Juve, maybe, maybe not ... we shall see. On our day we can beat them. It's not the worse draw we could have got and I'm sure there are several other clubs that Juve would have preferred to have been drawn against.
You see, you introduced the concept of relativity to the debate, and I went with it. You disavow its relevance when it paints your club in a negative light.
Brilliant.
False analogy. Relativity in the league is entirely different from relativity in cup competitions.
Lose in a cup competition (or fail to get enough points in any group stage) and you're out. Lose a match or two in the league and you are not necessarily out (of contention for top 4 or whatever), especially with - at this stage of the season - so many games left to play.
And even this ignores the fact that the CL is an entirely different completion to the EL ... and a step up from it.
Forget location, loyalty or trophy aspirations.
The key is finances. Whatever his public persona, for him and his family this is the most important factor.
The market rate for a player of his ability is £300k pw min.
Spurs will have to pay him that or very, very close soon or he will leave.
I hope they do and he stays. I want the best possible players in the league and spread out between as many clubs as possible. The more competitive, the better.
But, for whatever reason, you're having a slightly worse league campaign. Whether this spells a doomsday scenario, I won't pretend to guess (Spurs will always be a top 4-6 side imo). You'd agree with that at least? That your league campaign is less impressive this season than it has been in the past two seasons (even if you want to add "so far" into the equation).
Anyway, returning to the topic. I think Kane will stay at Spurs for a few seasons (at least two more), and Poch will still be there next season, but wouldn't count on him being there much longer than that (if the Real job is available).
I do think you might beat Juventus fwiw. I can see you raising your form to a standard not consistently shown in the league so far.
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If he wants trophies and/or more money he'll leave, simple as that. Spurs will never be one of the elite that win CL trophies and pay top wages. Only utter pillocks like that dreadful person GlastonSpur think otherwise.
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