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Speak said:
It's unlikely Mata wanted to leave Chelsea for any reason other than them not wanting him any more. So it's a poor example of United's pull. Like Di Maria, he was told he wasn't wanted any more, so he took what he could get. And United was basically the only option.

The days of United being able to 'bully' teams into selling are over.
And if Kane keeps scoring at this rate, he'll probably be off to Spain... unless he's willing to sit around at Tottenham and run down his contract (which would make no sense.)
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There's reasons why every player moves clubs. Do you think Mata wanted to come to United to play under the great Moyes?
If we dismiss every transfer we make as easily as that then of course we can't attract anybody ffs. We signed Shaw over Chelsea, Memphis over PSG. Bayern wanted Darmian and Arsenal were enquiring about Morgan. Never mind we signed the captain of the World champions from a club where he was a legend.
Unless people judge our pull on not signing Neymar or Muller ffs.
 
ivaldo said:
Spurs is Madrids feeder club, everyone knows that, even @GlastonSpur knows this.
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We've sold them two star players, which is fewer than those from United to RM ... and would have been fewer still if not for the grace of a fax machine last summer.

So when it comes to being RM's feeder club, those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 
GlastonSpur said:
We've sold them two star players, which is fewer than those from United to RM ... and would have been fewer still if not for the grace of a fax machine last summer.

So when it comes to being RM's feeder club, those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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He, he made that one far too easy for you
 
GlastonSpur said:
In United case it's not just once "for a season" - it's twice in the last three years, which puts a rather different complexion on things. Players tend to notice these things.

But in any case, the main point is that it's totally delusional to think that Kane might try to "force" a move to United
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this summer yes there is no way he tries to force a move to us
next summer if we have CL (and spurs dont... by no means guaranteed but certainly possible) and mendes starts taking him to dinner and saying he can get him £300k a week if he appoints him as his agent - well you never know.
That said another Season with 20+ goals and perhaps even Real / Barca start to show a serious interest as well
 
GlastonSpur said:
We've sold them two star players, which is fewer than those from United to RM ... and would have been fewer still if not for the grace of a fax machine last summer.

So when it comes to being RM's feeder club, those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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They didn't want anyone else from Spurs.
 
BennyBlanco said:
No white text? granted United haven't the same sway since Sir Alex left, but theres no chance in hell a down to earth Harry Kane would crap on the Spurs fans to cross North London, to a perennial loser Arsenal team at that, certainly not when he'd have the option of Barca/Madrid and co. on the table.
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I didnt actually mean he'd join us, per sé. Moreso that he will leave when he realises Spurs can't achieve his ambitions so he'll go to win the title (or in Sol's case, the double).

Whether or not its Arsenal depends on whether we are in a position to challenge for the title or not. Which, in turn, depends on whether Wenger is our manager or not. So there's too many dependent factors for either of us to make a guess with total certainty. We are helped though that we are in London so he'll not have to leave family, he's a boyhood Gooner (like Bale) and his dad is a massive Arsenal fan.
 
GlastonSpur said:
We've sold them two star players, which is fewer than those from United to RM ... and would have been fewer still if not for the grace of a fax machine last summer.

So when it comes to being RM's feeder club, those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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I think you were brave to keep hold of Kyle Walker and Ryan Mason.

Kane and Alli will overgrow your club in few years, Kane is fantastic footballer and a good character so he might stay for longer but Alli who has arguably higher potential will leave for sure if he develops properly
 
GlastonSpur said:
We've sold them two star players, which is fewer than those from United to RM ... and would have been fewer still if not for the grace of a fax machine last summer.

So when it comes to being RM's feeder club, those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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And now they have another player of standard to sign from you they will. :)
 
cyberman said:
Bit hard for another club to sell him to us tbf.
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He wasn't wanted and we got rid for £38m. You were the only team in for him. Certainlynot a great example of your pull as a club.

I'm also arguing against you having more pull then other top teams in the PL. You don't, simple as that. Certainly not enough to just buy all of these teams best players the way Bayern do to Dortmund.
 
United and Tottenham fans are arguing about who sells more players to Madrid.
Just emphasizes how Madrid are at the top of the food chain, regardless.
 
sun_tzu said:
this summer yes there is no way he tries to force a move to us
next summer if we have CL (and spurs dont... by no means guaranteed but certainly possible) and mendes starts taking him to dinner and saying he can get him £300k a week if he appoints him as his agent - well you never know.
That said another Season with 20+ goals and perhaps even Real / Barca start to show a serious interest as well
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This is another typical delusion of United fans: the notion that offering a variety of players 300k per week is feasible.

Leaving aside the fact that 300k amounts to nearly £16m per year, or nearly £79m over a five year contract (all on top of the actual transfer fee of course), there's the knock-on effect of wage-hike demands across the entire squad that would come from paying several players 300k per week.

And then there's the impossibility of ever selling such players if the signing doesn't work out or the player's performance deteriorates: Rooney is a classic case in point. Such absurdly paid players won't ever leave for much lower wages elsewhere, and in any case no other club will be willing or able to pay such wages.
 
m1y2 said:
I think you were brave to keep hold of Kyle Walker and Ryan Mason.

Kane and Alli will overgrow your club in few years, Kane is fantastic footballer and a good character so he might stay for longer but Alli who has arguably higher potential will leave for sure if he develops properly
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Never mind mere predictions that Kane and Alli "will overgrow" Spurs, de Gea has already overgrown your club. As I've said, those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 
The Purist said:
I didnt actually mean he'd join us, per sé. Moreso that he will leave when he realises Spurs can't achieve his ambitions so he'll go to win the title (or in Sol's case, the double).

Whether or not its Arsenal depends on whether we are in a position to challenge for the title or not. Which, in turn, depends on whether Wenger is our manager or not. So there's too many dependent factors for either of us to make a guess with total certainty. We are helped though that we are in London so he'll not have to leave family, he's a boyhood Gooner (like Bale) and his dad is a massive Arsenal fan.
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Right im with you, you meant more a bosman in general than specifically Sol's bosman free to you, and you're right, too much depends on the trajectory of both Arsenal and Spurs over the next few years to hazard a guess at this stage if you'd have a real chance or not.
 
GlastonSpur said:
We've sold them two star players, which is fewer than those from United to RM ... and would have been fewer still if not for the grace of a fax machine last summer.

So when it comes to being RM's feeder club, those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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We sold Ronaldo unwillingly. Everyone else we sold to that gang was because they pay wanted to overpay for players we wanted rid of. That's entirely different to you selling them two of the best players you've had this century.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Never mind mere predictions that Kane and Alli "will overgrow" Spurs, de Gea has already overgrown your club. As I've said, those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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De Gea has overgrown our club but Mourinho hasn't? Right. No wonder everyone talks about you.
 
Dreadnought said:
We sold Ronaldo unwillingly. Everyone else we sold to that gang was because they pay wanted to overpay for players we wanted rid of. That's entirely different to you selling them two of the best players you've had this century.
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Actually, van Nistelrooy had his eyes on Madrid before Sir Alex started to think about offloading him.
He wanted a 'Real Madrid Clause' in his contract, and according to Sir Alex, that was the catalyst for their fall out.
 
Real want, Real get.

If you've sold less players to them, it's because you've had less of them that they wanted.

Arguing who is Real's bigger bitch is just weird.
 
Speak said:
Actually, van Nistelrooy had his eyes on Madrid before Sir Alex started to think about offloading him.
He wanted a 'Real Madrid Clause' in his contract, and according to Sir Alex, that was the catalyst for their fall out.
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That may be true, but he would have stayed on had there not been a fall out with Ronaldo and Queiroz.
 
Dreadnought said:
That may be true, but he would have stayed on had there not been a fall out with Ronaldo and Queiroz.
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Whatever the various excuses, the fact remains that United have sold more of their star players to RM than Spurs ... and even that ignores de Gea wanting to follow in their footsteps.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Whatever the various excuses, the fact remains that United have sold more of their star players to RM than Spurs ... and even that ignores de Gea wanting to follow in their footsteps.
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It's not excuses in anybody's head but yours. We've also sold more players to Everton and Sunderland than Tottenham have for the same reason we sold them to Madrid - we wanted to get rid of them. It proves nothing.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Whatever the various excuses, the fact remains that United have sold more of their star players to RM than Spurs ... and even that ignores de Gea wanting to follow in their footsteps.
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Why do you think that's so?
 
GlastonSpur said:
What has Mourinho got to do with de Gea wanting out?
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You question the greatness of the club on the account of a Spanish kid goalie having a couple of good seasons and possibly wanting to return to his hometown. You really are something. At least you have remained on the forum. A similarly deluded Spurs fan Vicar of Dibbly run off as soon as Spurs traditionally blew it and missed out on their one and only chance to win the PL.
 
Gol123 said:
He wasn't wanted and we got rid for £38m. You were the only team in for him. Certainlynot a great example of your pull as a club.

I'm also arguing against you having more pull then other top teams in the PL. You don't, simple as that. Certainly not enough to just buy all of these teams best players the way Bayern do to Dortmund.
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Course we do. Who has signed more high profile players than United? If they worked or not is a different matter.
Clubs in England becoming incredibly rich doesn't lessen other teams drawing power. Are we meant to go in and offer Spurs 100m for Kane to get Spurs to sell? Why would Kane or any player kick up a fuss when they know the price will never be met?
Mata personally went to Roman and asked to be transfered to United. You are confusing his desire to play for us over others as having no competition for his signature.
Who else was Cesc and Costa linked with when they joined you? I'm talking serious links and not titbits in a Sunday rag.
Does that mean nobody else wanted them? Mata is being linked with Barca this summer ffs.
Arsenal didn't sign an outfield player last year while being turned down by Balon Dor winners of the future that Wenger could have signed.
Chelsea could not get one of Jose's targets. Not one.
Liverpool signed Benteke while City spend 50m on a sub.
Who outdraws us there?
 
cyberman said:
Course we do. Who has signed more high profile players than United? If they worked or not is a different matter.
Clubs in England becoming incredibly rich doesn't lessen other teams drawing power. Are we meant to go in and offer Spurs 100m for Kane to get Spurs to sell? Why would Kane or any player kick up a fuss when they know the price will never be met?
Mata personally went to Roman and asked to be transfered to United. You are confusing his desire to play for us over others as having no competition for his signature.
Who else was Cesc and Costa linked with when they joined you? I'm talking serious links and not titbits in a Sunday rag.
Does that mean nobody else wanted them? Mata is being linked with Barca this summer ffs.
Arsenal didn't sign an outfield player last year while being turned down by Balon Dor winners of the future that Wenger could have signed.
Chelsea could not get one of Jose's targets. Not one.
Liverpool signed Benteke while City spend 50m on a sub.
Who outdraws us there?
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Mata wasn't even playing for the first team. He was not wanted and you can tell yourself differently but it's true. No other teams were seriously in for him for the price you offered. None. You overpaid for a guy who hasn't even repaid a fraction of the price tag and will likely be sold this summer too. Who else have you bought? Did Maria didn't want to be at United and you only got him because PSG had already bought David Luiz. He was forced out of Madrid and only United could afford him. Falcao was shit and injured for the year prior to you loaning him. Nobody else was interested and he was quite clearly a crock. Who else is a big signing that you have made? 32 year old permanent crock BFS? Herrerra? Only player you have beaten Chelsea to was Luke Shaw and that was due to you willing to pay more for him (£10m more and double in wages).

United have failed at every single big signing you have tried. Ramos, Otamendi, Bale, Neymar and Griezmann to name a few. You have none more drawing power then Man City, Chelsea or Arsenal. Just more money to spend.

You have no hope of signing Kane either because none of the things that you think put you above Tottenham are actually pros for joining you in this case.
 
Gol123 said:
Mata wasn't even playing for the first team. He was not wanted and you can tell yourself differently but it's true. No other teams were seriously in for him for the price you offered. None. You overpaid for a guy who hasn't even repaid a fraction of the price tag and will likely be sold this summer too. Who else have you bought? Did Maria didn't want to be at United and you only got him because PSG had already bought David Luiz. He was forced out of Madrid and only United could afford him. Falcao was shit and injured for the year prior to you loaning him. Nobody else was interested and he was quite clearly a crock. Who else is a big signing that you have made? 32 year old permanent crock BFS? Herrerra? Only player you have beaten Chelsea to was Luke Shaw and that was due to you willing to pay more for him (£10m more and double in wages).

United have failed at every single big signing you have tried. Ramos, Otamendi, Bale, Neymar and Griezmann to name a few. You have none more drawing power then Man City, Chelsea or Arsenal. Just more money to spend.

You have no hope of signing Kane either because none of the things that you think put you above Tottenham are actually pros for joining you in this case.
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The harsh truth.
 
Speak said:
The harsh truth.
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He's right, and so are you, and Mourinho makes Utd no more attractive.

As much as I hate to admit it Chelsea are the most attractive destination for top foreign players in England, they can match the wages of anybody else and are in London. If you are young and very rich and have the choice of living in the North West or in London it's not a hard decision.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
He's right, and so are you, and Mourinho makes Utd no more attractive.

As much as I hate to admit it Chelsea are the most attractive destination for top foreign players in England, they can match the wages of anybody else and are in London. If you are young and very rich and have the choice of living in the North West or in London it's not a hard decision.
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Not sure that's true. They've been looking like they want to tighten the purse strings for a while.
 
Gol123 said:
Mata wasn't even playing for the first team. He was not wanted and you can tell yourself differently but it's true. No other teams were seriously in for him for the price you offered. None. You overpaid for a guy who hasn't even repaid a fraction of the price tag and will likely be sold this summer too. Who else have you bought? Did Maria didn't want to be at United and you only got him because PSG had already bought David Luiz. He was forced out of Madrid and only United could afford him. Falcao was shit and injured for the year prior to you loaning him. Nobody else was interested and he was quite clearly a crock. Who else is a big signing that you have made? 32 year old permanent crock BFS? Herrerra? Only player you have beaten Chelsea to was Luke Shaw and that was due to you willing to pay more for him (£10m more and double in wages).

United have failed at every single big signing you have tried. Ramos, Otamendi, Bale, Neymar and Griezmann to name a few. You have none more drawing power then Man City, Chelsea or Arsenal. Just more money to spend.

You have no hope of signing Kane either because none of the things that you think put you above Tottenham are actually pros for joining you in this case.
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When did that happen?
 
Lash said:
Whether Spurs fans would want to admit it or not, Ibra is a better player than Kane. That's not to say Kane won't be as good as him, who knows. Also, I wasn't saying Kane was worth 30-40m, I'm saying that's the price we should only be interested him for, any more and we may as well get a better player for free!
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I don't think anybody in their right mind would think that Kane is a better player than Zlatan - I'm a Spurs fan and I love Kane but I'll happily conceed that Zlatan is on a different level than him. If Kane keeps improving then maybe he might to that level but it's a long way off right now.
 
Gol123 said:
Mata wasn't even playing for the first team. He was not wanted and you can tell yourself differently but it's true. No other teams were seriously in for him for the price you offered. None. You overpaid for a guy who hasn't even repaid a fraction of the price tag and will likely be sold this summer too. Who else have you bought? Did Maria didn't want to be at United and you only got him because PSG had already bought David Luiz. He was forced out of Madrid and only United could afford him. Falcao was shit and injured for the year prior to you loaning him. Nobody else was interested and he was quite clearly a crock. Who else is a big signing that you have made? 32 year old permanent crock BFS? Herrerra? Only player you have beaten Chelsea to was Luke Shaw and that was due to you willing to pay more for him (£10m more and double in wages).

United have failed at every single big signing you have tried. Ramos, Otamendi, Bale, Neymar and Griezmann to name a few. You have none more drawing power then Man City, Chelsea or Arsenal. Just more money to spend.

You have no hope of signing Kane either because none of the things that you think put you above Tottenham are actually pros for joining you in this case.
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Only if you believe the rumours buddy. Apparently we kept Otamendi in reserve behind Ramos and he got tired of waiting.
All those names you quoted, how does that prove we are not a massive draw in England? Did Neymar go to City? Bale to Arsenal? How does superstars playing in better sides in rival leagues turning us down raise the attractivness of Chelsea etc? Did they turn us down for an English side? Hows Pogba and Koke settling in at Chelsea? Was that world record bid for Messi successful last season? Im guessing you must have loaned him back alongside Stones, you signed Falcao off us! Fecking Pedro aftet LVG vetoed the deal.
Benzema has made a massive difference at Arsenal as well. What a player! Being paired with Suarez up front has transformed that side.
City are a funny side. They have replaced Yaya with Pogba every summer for the last three summers. That is impressive indeed.
You can quote names all you want. Until sides actually start outdrawing us then its all nonsense.
Theres a reason why United are used by rival players in contract talks. Its because nobody would believe Neymar would go to Chelsea or fecking Arsenal.
Your best ever manger dreamt about us for years while at your club. But who are we I suppose. United not getting a player Chelsea etc were never in for shows how much of a draw they are...somehow
 
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Dreadnought said:
It's not excuses in anybody's head but yours. We've also sold more players to Everton and Sunderland than Tottenham have for the same reason we sold them to Madrid - we wanted to get rid of them. It proves nothing.
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So, you wanted to get rid of Ronaldo? Bollocks you did. He wanted to go and RM offered you a ton of money - just as happened with Bale at Spurs.

And you wanted to get rid of RvN? Also bollocks - United would have loved to have kept him if he hadn't insisted on having a RM clause in his contract, so again RM is underlying cause of his departure.

And de Gea? Do you want rid of him to RM also? That sale would have happened last summer if not for a technicality.
 
GlastonSpur said:
So, you wanted to get rid of Ronaldo? Bollocks you did. He wanted to go and RM offered you a ton of money - just as happened with Bale at Spurs.

And you wanted to get rid of RvN? Also bollocks - United would have loved to have kept him if he hadn't insisted on having a RM clause in his contract, so again RM is underlying cause of his departure.

And de Gea? Do you want rid of him to RM also? That sale would have happened last summer if not for a technicality.
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I did say time and again that Ronaldo is the exception to the rule.

The other we wanted to sell anyway. Ruud had an argument with half the dressing room and Queiroz and similarly to Beckham, was basically forced out by Sir Alex.
De Gea is a Manchester United player. Rest my case.
 
GlastonSpur said:
And you wanted to get rid of RvN? Also bollocks - United would have loved to have kept him if he hadn't insisted on having a RM clause in his contract, so again RM is underlying cause of his departure.
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I agree with you on de Gea and Ronaldo, obviously we didn't want to sell either. But RvN was very much a willing departure on both parts. Ferguson realised that Rooney and Ronaldo were ready to take over, whilst RvN's presence was detrimental (he never got along with Ronaldo).
 
GlastonSpur said:
So, you wanted to get rid of Ronaldo? Bollocks you did. He wanted to go and RM offered you a ton of money - just as happened with Bale at Spurs.

And you wanted to get rid of RvN? Also bollocks - United would have loved to have kept him if he hadn't insisted on having a RM clause in his contract, so again RM is underlying cause of his departure.

And de Gea? Do you want rid of him to RM also? That sale would have happened last summer if not for a technicality.
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I think that the truth about RvN (and possibly Beckham) is somewhere in the middle. We definitely wanted to sell them when we sold them, but Real also managed to unsettle them.

I made a thread about it some times ago: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/were-we-happy-to-sell-beckham-and-van-nistelrooy-to-madrid.409016/
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Unless he likes money. Pretty rare for footballers to care about money, I guess.
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He gets paid a lot at Spurs already - and the external sponsorship monies are now flowing in for him also, as you'd expect for the Prem's golden boy. So I strongly doubt that, at this stage in his career, getting extra money is more important to him than staying at Spurs and playing in the CL.

But even if, for argument's sake, we assumed that he did want to leave this summer for more money - Levy simply wouldn't sell, especially not to a Prem rival.

United have more chance of winning the NFL Superbowl than they do of signing Kane.
 
Dreadnought said:
I did say time and again that Ronaldo is the exception to the rule.

The other we wanted to sell anyway. Ruud had an argument with half the dressing room and Queiroz and similarly to Beckham, was basically forced out by Sir Alex.
De Gea is a Manchester United player. Rest my case.
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They sound like cover stories, clubs never want to sell their best players and when they do they come up with all sorts of but but buts, Utd are no different to anybody else in that respect.
 
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