Harry Kane | No talky Harry, no thread

[Enigma_87]

wtf this thread has turned into?

For the record the only player we didn't want to sell to Real was Ronaldo. RvN and Beckham were both not wanted anymore. It's like calling Real our feeder club for selling us Di Maria.

Spurs on the other hand if a player reaches his peak he's off if not in the same season - the next at most.

 

[SirHenryPercy]

Anyway I doubt Harry Kane is motivated by money. He seems a genuinely good, enthusiastic footballer enjoying the bubble he is in at Spurs. Take into account he didn't have an easy ride to the first team. Various stints around the block as a kid, then sent out on loan to lower leagues. Usually a clubs best youth talents are earmarked and fast-tracked but that seems not to be the case with Kane. Spurs didn't have much luck with strikers during that time either. He had to work the hard yards and Pochettino saw something in him to give him his run and he's not looked back. At 22 he already plays like a mature player. Great case of local boy coming good.

Good post, some think money is everything but when it's the difference between taking home £7m or £9m it's a bit different to leaving your £25k a year job for a £30k a year one. Especially when it means moving away from somewhere you love and in London to somewhere you don't know in another area of the country, I find it hard to understand the lack of lack of acknowledgement that most super rich young men would rather be in London than elsewhere in England.

 

[SirHenryPercy]

wtf this thread has turned into?

For the record the only player we didn't want to sell to Real was Ronaldo. RvN and Beckham were both not wanted anymore. It's like calling Real our feeder club for selling us Di Maria.

Spurs on the other hand if a player reaches his peak he's off if not in the same season - the next at most.

Don't buy that, it's just a convenient tale to keep the fans happy, "oh we sold RVN and Becks to Real because we didn't want them anymore", yeah right, the other ones got bells on it. Every club has its place, we at Spurs are below quite a few, Utd are below the likes of Real, Barca and Bayern, these days also arguably Chelsea and City as well.

 

[Enigma_87]

Good post, some think money is everything but when it's the difference between taking home £7m or £9m it's a bit different to leaving your £25k a year job for a £30k a year one. Especially when it means moving away from somewhere you love and in London to somewhere you don't know in another area of the country, I find it hard to understand the lack of lack of acknowledgement that most super rich young men would rather be in London than elsewhere in England.

It doesn't work quite like that. There are at least 10 top clubs that can easily double what Kane is getting at Spurs so it's not exactly 2m difference.

Apart from that Kane has much better chance at winning silverware in those 10 clubs rather than Spurs which makes a big difference.

 

[Enigma_87]

Don't buy that, it's just a convenient tale to keep the fans happy, "oh we sold RVN and Becks to Real because we didn't want them anymore", yeah right, the other ones got bells on it. Every club has its place, we at Spurs are below quite a few, Utd are below the likes of Real, Barca and Bayern, these days also arguably Chelsea and City as well.

Really? Didn't Beckham almost ended at Barcelona before Real came in?

Wasn't RvN excluded from the team for his bust up with Ronaldo? He was 30 by the time and it was clear his relationship with Fergie soured.

 

[Boycott]

It doesn't work quite like that. There are at least 10 top clubs that can easily double what Kane is getting at Spurs so it's not exactly 2m difference.

Apart from that Kane has much better chance at winning silverware in those 10 clubs rather than Spurs which makes a big difference.

I personally believe the Premier League has become more of a level playing field. I think the days of having a big four are gone and instead we'll have 6 or 7 clubs competing against each other. He could go abroad definitely. We'll see next summer.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Stay on topic...

Stay on topic....

 

[SirHenryPercy]

It doesn't work quite like that. There are at least 10 top clubs that can easily double what Kane is getting at Spurs so it's not exactly 2m difference.

Apart from that Kane has much better chance at winning silverware in those 10 clubs rather than Spurs which makes a big difference.

If you pay him £10m and we pay him £5.5m presuming it's pre-tax money he'll lose nearly half of the extra it's going to be a couple of mil difference, throw in his endorsements and it's going to be a couple of mil over a fairly big sum, it's hardly the end of the world to him.

And there aren't 10 clubs who could easily double what Kane gets at Spurs, that's just silly seeing as we are the 10th wealthiest club in Europe.

 

[Enigma_87]

I personally believe the Premier League has become more of a level playing field. I think the days of having a big four are gone and instead we'll have 6 or 7 clubs competing against each other. He could go abroad definitely. We'll see next summer.

You are correct for last year. However this year we have better managers coming in and lot of top clubs to prove a point. Spurs can't compete financially with United, City, probably Chelsea as well, and don't have the same pull as Arsenal. We will see, but this year I pretty much saw a Spurs side that generally was the same as the last 5 or 6 years. It's just the other top teams underperformed.

If you pay him £10m and we pay him £5.5m presuming it's pre-tax money he'll lose nearly half of the extra it's going to be a couple of mil difference, throw in his endorsements and it's going to be a couple of mil over a fairly big sum, it's hardly the end of the world to him.

And there aren't 10 clubs who could easily double what Kane gets at Spurs, that's just silly seeing as we are the 10th wealthiest club in Europe.

Real
Barca
Bayern
United
City
PSG
Juventus
Chelsea
Arsenal
Liverpool

10.

He'll also get more from endorsements playing for those clubs compared to Spurs.

 

[DarkXaero]

Stay on topic...

Stay on topic....

There is no topic to discuss, Kane isn't moving this summer. But this thread really should be moved to the Football forum or locked.

 

[Boycott]

You are correct for last year. However this year we have better managers coming in and lot of top clubs to prove a point. Spurs can't compete financially with United, City, probably Chelsea as well, and don't have the same pull as Arsenal. We will see, but this year I pretty much saw a Spurs side that generally was the same as the last 5 or 6 years. It's just the other top teams underperformed.

With the financial riches and security the PL has now I don't think any PL club will be bullied anymore. Look at Everton and their resilience on Stones. The hefty tags on Lukaku and Barkley. The big clubs will go abroad meaning these talents stay where they are until someone is willing to take the plunge and IMO they're good but not that good. I really like Harry Kane but the price he will be tagged to even talk to Levy is not something I think I'd pay. These players may not be good enough to make waves in the CL but to challenge for domestic honours they're more than capable. And all PL clubs can target foreign players. Whoever scouts the best, coaches the best, prepares the best like Leicester and Southampton can keep things flowing well. Now we can really judge these managers against each other as they can't just one-up by means of the transfer market.

 

[Enigma_87]

With the financial riches and security the PL has now I don't think any PL club will be bullied anymore. Look at Everton and their resilience on Stones. The hefty tags on Lukaku and Barkley. The big clubs will go abroad meaning these talents stay where they are until someone is willing to take the plunge and IMO they're good but not that good. I really like Harry Kane but the price he will be tagged to even talk to Levy is not something I think I'd pay. These players may not be good enough to make waves in the CL but to challenge for domestic honours they're more than capable. And all PL clubs can target foreign players. Whoever scouts the best, coaches the best, prepares the best like Leicester and Southampton can keep things flowing well. Now we can really judge these managers against each other as they can't just one-up by means of the transfer market.

The clubs that can buy Kane outside PL have the better pull. I'm sure they'll bring more endorsements to him as well. That and the bigger chance of silverware.

Sure if Kane is happy there the transfer sum will be hefty, but if he's unsettled it will bring it down.

I don't think he'll move this Summer. If he keeps performing next year as well it's a possibility for next Summer, but for now I don't see it.

 

[SirHenryPercy]

You are correct for last year. However this year we have better managers coming in and lot of top clubs to prove a point. Spurs can't compete financially with United, City, probably Chelsea as well, and don't have the same pull as Arsenal. We will see, but this year I pretty much saw a Spurs side that generally was the same as the last 5 or 6 years. It's just the other top teams underperformed.



Real
Barca
Bayern
United
City
PSG
Juventus
Chelsea
Arsenal
Liverpool

10.

He'll also get more from endorsements playing for those clubs compared to Spurs.

According to Forbes Spurs are Europe's 10th most valuable club.

And you have no idea that he will get more from endorsements with other clubs, at Barca or Real for sure, the others I very much doubt there's much in it.

By the way your frozen out RVN played 35 PL games scoring 21 goals in the season you sold him to Real, as I say it was a cover story and Becks played as much as he had played in 4 years the summer he went, another cover story for not being able to hold onto your players when the worlds top club comes calling.

We all have our place, Spurs are a 3rd/4th tier club, Utd are a 2nd tier one, the problem with Utd signing Kane is if he leaves it will be to a tier 1 club.

 

[TheReligion]

According to Forbes Spurs are Europe's 10th most valuable club.

And you have no idea that he will get more from endorsements with other clubs, at Barca or Real for sure, the others I very much doubt there's much in it.

By the way your frozen out RVN played 35 PL games scoring 21 goals in the season you sold him to Real, as I say it was a cover story and Becks played as much as he had played in 4 years the summer he went, another cover story for not being able to hold onto your players when the worlds top club comes calling.

We all have our place, Spurs are a 3rd/4th tier club, Utd are a 2nd tier one, the problem with Utd signing Kane is if he leaves it will be to a tier 1 club.

So England has no top tier clubs?

 

[SirHenryPercy]

So England has no top tier clubs?

Nope

 

[TheReligion]

Nope

Interesting. I guess it all depends how you're defining these tiers mind. .

 

[Enigma_87]

According to Forbes Spurs are Europe's 10th most valuable club.

I'm not talking about value here, even if you take Liverpool as the worst side out of those 10, Benteke is on what? 140k per week? Can they offer Kane 180 or 190k? Can't see why not.

And you have no idea that he will get more from endorsements with other clubs, at Barca or Real for sure, the others I very much doubt there's much in it.

Yeah Bayern Munich and Spurs are on the same level commercially, sure.

By the way your frozen out RVN played 35 PL games scoring 21 goals in the season you sold him to Real, as I say it was a cover story and Becks played as much as he had played in 4 years the summer he went, another cover story for not being able to hold onto your players when the worlds top club comes calling.

My point was that there were issues between RvN, team mates and Fergie and he was sold after the season ended. His bust up with Ronaldo was at the end of the season if I remember correctly.

And Beckham as I said was on the market and nearly transferred to Barca before that. It's not like Real pulled him out of our hands.

We all have our place, Spurs are a 3rd/4th tier club, Utd are a 2nd tier one, the problem with Utd signing Kane is if he leaves it will be to a tier 1 club.

3 bad seasons doesn't make United a 2nd tier club.

 

[cyberman]

According to Forbes Spurs are Europe's 10th most valuable club.

And you have no idea that he will get more from endorsements with other clubs, at Barca or Real for sure, the others I very much doubt there's much in it.

By the way your frozen out RVN played 35 PL games scoring 21 goals in the season you sold him to Real, as I say it was a cover story and Becks played as much as he had played in 4 years the summer he went, another cover story for not being able to hold onto your players when the worlds top club comes calling.

We all have our place, Spurs are a 3rd/4th tier club, Utd are a 2nd tier one, the problem with Utd signing Kane is if he leaves it will be to a tier 1 club.

Cover story? Ruud was dropped for Saha and Beckham for Solskjaer before they were sold. There was no story. The team evolved and played better without them

 

[SirHenryPercy]

Interesting. I guess it all depends how you're defining these tiers mind. .

And of course it's only my opinion. But I don't see any English club that even comes close to Real or Barca, the only other club I see as a tier 1 club is Bayern. Having lived in both Germany and Spain the sheer magnitude of those clubs is way beyond anything I've witnessed in England.

 

[SirHenryPercy]

I'm not talking about value here, even if you take Liverpool as the worst side out of those 10, Benteke is on what? 140k per week? Can they offer Kane 180 or 190k? Can't see why not.


Yeah Bayern Munich and Spurs are on the same level commercially, sure.


My point was that there were issues between RvN, team mates and Fergie and he was sold after the season ended. His bust up with Ronaldo was at the end of the season if I remember correctly.

And Beckham as I said was on the market and nearly transferred to Barca before that. It's not like Real pulled him out of our hands.

3 bad seasons doesn't make United a 2nd tier club.

Agreed 3 seasons doesn't make Utd a 2nd tier club in the same way as being a big commercial operation in Africa and Asia doesn't make them a tier 1 club.

Liverpool couldn't pay Kane twice as much as Spurs, and isn't Arsenal's top earner Ozil on 140? I know my maths isn't great but I think 140 is a long way short of being double 110.

Regarding commercial earnings I was more referring to the English clubs rather than Bayern.

As for RVN and Becks we'll just have to believe what we believe.

 

[finneh]

He leaves in 2018 in my view.

That'll be the Summer where Spurs' stadium payments start to really bite, whilst any big sponsorships will be front loaded in order to finance the move. This'll leave a gap in finances whereby Spurs are probably keeping to a wage structure below West Ham, let alone the top 5 clubs and Kane starts to see the difference between £5m and £15m a season as very crucial for a player in his prime.

Likewise it's highly likely that their low spend has caught up with them and Kane will have experienced at least one season (possibly two) outside of the CL, with a prospect of another year in the Europa League in he stays. This after tasting Champions League Football a few seasons earlier.

No way he leaves this season and no way he leaves next season to anyone but Madrid. We'd be talking £120m+ to get Levy interested this Summer and unless he has a bomb of a season the same next (probably 15-20% less for overseas clubs).

 

[MadDogg]

By the way your frozen out RVN played 35 PL games scoring 21 goals in the season you sold him to Real, as I say it was a cover story and Becks played as much as he had played in 4 years the summer he went, another cover story for not being able to hold onto your players when the worlds top club comes calling.

It should be noted that both Beckham and RVN have admitted it was Fergie deciding to sell them, rather than them wanting to leave. It was no different than Heinze, another we actively wanted gone. And in all three cases it was Real Madrid who came along wanting our 'discards' (harsh term for Becks and RVN, but accurate). I guess you can include Hernandez in there as well, albeit that was only on loan.

Ronaldo was obviously a different matter, as was De Gea if that had gone through.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

And of course it's only my opinion. But I don't see any English club that even comes close to Real or Barca, the only other club I see as a tier 1 club is Bayern. Having lived in both Germany and Spain the sheer magnitude of those clubs is way beyond anything I've witnessed in England.

If we are talking magnitude of clubs off the pitch then Utd are almost certainly top tier. We have a huge stadium possibly the largest marketability in the world and arguably the most fans worldwide. Theres no wonder that players like schweinstiger have made comments on just how ridiculous the utd beast is when on pre season and thats coming from a Bayern legend. Its only on the pitch in the last few years that we have fallen behind but rival fans are certainly doing their very best to play down utds size.

 

[Leftback99]

Still not convinced he's all that. Certainly don't see the superstar Bale type player many make him out to be.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

There is no topic to discuss, Kane isn't moving this summer. But this thread really should be moved to the Football forum or locked.

Harry Kane | Summer 2016

Kinda rules out taking about RVN to Madrid, for example.

 

[Enigma_87]

Agreed 3 seasons doesn't make Utd a 2nd tier club in the same way as being a big commercial operation in Africa and Asia doesn't make them a tier 1 club.

Liverpool couldn't pay Kane twice as much as Spurs, and isn't Arsenal's top earner Ozil on 140? I know my maths isn't great but I think 140 is a long way short of being double 110.

Regarding commercial earnings I was more referring to the English clubs rather than Bayern.

As for RVN and Becks we'll just have to believe what we believe.

Depends on how do you rank tier 1 clubs. For me that's the biggest clubs in the top 4 leagues - Italy, Germany, England and Spain. United is big everywhere and the commercial pull is huge. Besides, apart from money we also have history, big stadium and huge fan base. Even without those we've seen how City and Chelsea made it to the top only by spending money.

Liverpool pay Benteke 140 who is inferior to Kane. Didn't they pay Suarez 200k per week as well? I don't think matching that for Kane will be an issue for them, which makes it double.

I think I saw reports on Ozil wanting 160k per week on his new contract so probably he will get a pay rise. Arsenal I think are also top three when it comes to wages in Prem.

The English clubs you have United which is a commercial machine, the list of sponsors is endless, hard to imagine Spurs competing with them or even Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea. City are about the same, granted but then they can easily match the difference with salary.

For RvN and Becks yeah, everyone can have his own opinion.

Kane - I can see him staying as I said as to me he's not in the Bale/Suarez even KdB league of superstar status and I can't see someone paying 60m or 70m for him.

 

[acnumber9]

Just what we needed. A Glaston clone.

 

[SirHenryPercy]

Depends on how do you rank tier 1 clubs. For me that's the biggest clubs in the top 4 leagues - Italy, Germany, England and Spain. United is big everywhere and the commercial pull is huge. Besides, apart from money we also have history, big stadium and huge fan base. Even without those we've seen how City and Chelsea made it to the top only by spending money.

Liverpool pay Benteke 140 who is inferior to Kane. Didn't they pay Suarez 200k per week as well? I don't think matching that for Kane will be an issue for them, which makes it double.

I think I saw reports on Ozil wanting 160k per week on his new contract so probably he will get a pay rise. Arsenal I think are also top three when it comes to wages in Prem.

The English clubs you have United which is a commercial machine, the list of sponsors is endless, hard to imagine Spurs competing with them or even Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea. City are about the same, granted but then they can easily match the difference with salary.

For RvN and Becks yeah, everyone can have his own opinion.

Kane - I can see him staying as I said as to me he's not in the Bale/Suarez even KdB league of superstar status and I can't see someone paying 60m or 70m for him.

United aren't big everywhere, I live in Spain and I couldn't tell you the last time I saw something about Utd on the TV or more than a couple of lines about them in a newspaper, even the Mourinho appointment wasn't much of a news story here and I've yet to meet a Spaniard who supports or is majorly interested in any English club. Utd are big in countries that don't have any major football of their own, hence why you are popular in places like Africa and Asia and lesser European football countries like Norway.

As for history, I don't know which country you're from but it might surprise you that all clubs have history and depending where you start from their are English clubs who have a greater history than Utd.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

United aren't big everywhere, I live in Spain and I couldn't tell you the last time I saw something about Utd on the TV or more than a couple of lines about them in a newspaper, even the Mourinho appointment wasn't much of a news story here and I've yet to meet a Spaniard who supports or is majorly interested in any English club. Utd are big in countries that don't have any major football of their own, hence why you are popular in places like Africa and Asia and lesser European football countries like Norway.

As for history, I don't know which country you're from but it might surprise you that all clubs have history and depending where you start from their are English clubs who have a greater history than Utd.

Such an odd post.

Spanish people support Spanish clubs... wowzers, how enlightening. English people support English clubs too mate, not fecking Real Madrid. Italian's support.... you named it, Juve, Milen et al.

You're living in some alternate universe if you think any club is well supported in a foreign country that has a strong league. Doesn't happen.

The idea any other English club has a history as tragic and as beautiful as Manchester United is a little crazy, no matter who you support.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

Interesting. I guess it all depends how you're defining these tiers mind. .

Real Madrid and Barcelona are a tier unto themselves, much like Messi and Ronaldo.

 

[Americano]

Anyway I doubt Harry Kane is motivated by money. He seems a genuinely good, enthusiastic footballer enjoying the bubble he is in at Spurs.

This is a great point. For once, we have a young player who is happy where he is and wants to use his talent to make his team better. I respect that he doesn't want to jump to another club. For that alone, I hope he stays at Spurs and follows his dream.

His talent is unquestionable - he is among the top players in the league and his value goes well beyond the goals and wins. What can we offer him that Spurs cannot? He could be the global face of football here if he wants. Just imagine if Rooney was handsome, tall, well-spoken, not Scouse, and hadn't banged those granny prostitutes? That's Harry Kane. The next Bobby Charlton, the face of our club, future England captain, global goldenboy... he'd look even better in red.

 

[NK86]

In United case it's not just once "for a season" - it's twice in the last three years, which puts a rather different complexion on things. Players tend to notice these things.

But in any case, the main point is that it's totally delusional to think that Kane might try to "force" a move to United

You completely ignored the second part about being in the CL once in 5 years! Anyway, I agree that Kane won't push for a move this summer. Next summer maybe a different proposition all together. If your team kicks off and challenges for the title and does well in the CL, he may want to remain a part of the project. If not, I see him pushing for a move when the big guns come calling and I don't just mean United.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

United aren't big everywhere, I live in Spain and I couldn't tell you the last time I saw something about Utd on the TV or more than a couple of lines about them in a newspaper, even the Mourinho appointment wasn't much of a news story here and I've yet to meet a Spaniard who supports or is majorly interested in any English club. Utd are big in countries that don't have any major football of their own, hence why you are popular in places like Africa and Asia and lesser European football countries like Norway.

As for history, I don't know which country you're from but it might surprise you that all clubs have history and depending where you start from their are English clubs who have a greater history than Utd.

This is a pathetic downplaying of one of the biggest clubs in the world

 

[Lash]

And of course it's only my opinion. But I don't see any English club that even comes close to Real or Barca, the only other club I see as a tier 1 club is Bayern. Having lived in both Germany and Spain the sheer magnitude of those clubs is way beyond anything I've witnessed in England.

This. I think it's a difference as you have a whole cultural identity side in Bavaria, Catalonia and not too sure what the Madrid region is called?! Anyway. They tend to have one team to cover a whole region, where I feel there's a lot more affiliation to local clubs in England and support the club closest to you. Also, in the UK we're generally quite interested in other people's cultures and having family from Spain, I can also say they are not interested in other as they love the one they have! Can't speak for ze Germans on that aspect, but after reading Tor!, I think Bayern is just a ridiculously well run club and that's the reason for their success.

Oh yeah, Harry Kane, blah blah blah.

 

[togg]

United aren't big everywhere, I live in Spain and I couldn't tell you the last time I saw something about Utd on the TV or more than a couple of lines about them in a newspaper, even the Mourinho appointment wasn't much of a news story here and I've yet to meet a Spaniard who supports or is majorly interested in any English club. Utd are big in countries that don't have any major football of their own, hence why you are popular in places like Africa and Asia and lesser European football countries like Norway.

As for history, I don't know which country you're from but it might surprise you that all clubs have history and depending where you start from their are English clubs who have a greater history than Utd.

Yes, other teams do have history, but the difference with United is the Munich disaster. In a cruel way it created a huge interest, a desire to know more about the club. No other club lost a team in the way United did that day. From every disaster comes a huge human emotional interest, so yes, I would say that the interest in the history of the club was heightened meaning that it probably feels bigger than other clubs. Plus also first English club to win the European cup and first to do the treble and a manager who lasted 27 years at a top club where sackings are a buzz word in the world of club management.

 

[Skills]

Just what we needed. A Glaston clone.

Should ban him. Glaston's part of the furniture now (the litter box), we don't need another.

 

[Lash]

Yes, other teams do have history, but the difference with United is the Munich disaster. In a cruel way it created a huge interest, a desire to know more about the club. No other club lost a team in the way United did that day. From every disaster comes a huge human emotional interest, so yes, I would say that the interest in the history of the club was heightened meaning that it probably feels bigger than other clubs. Plus also first English club to win the European cup and first to do the treble and a manager who lasted 27 years at a top club where sackings are a buzz word in the world of club management.

Just not true, Grande Torino was arguably, a bigger footballing and human tragedy.

 

[Striker10]

United aren't big everywhere, I live in Spain and I couldn't tell you the last time I saw something about Utd on the TV or more than a couple of lines about them in a newspaper, even the Mourinho appointment wasn't much of a news story here and I've yet to meet a Spaniard who supports or is majorly interested in any English club. Utd are big in countries that don't have any major football of their own, hence why you are popular in places like Africa and Asia and lesser European football countries like Norway.

As for history, I don't know which country you're from but it might surprise you that all clubs have history and depending where you start from their are English clubs who have a greater history than Utd.

Spain have their own interests in their own league. Madrid was so insecure they even had to doctor photos of fans when we played Madrid in a friendly.

Maybe United are not 'big' in Spain because they are ignored - or maybe you talk out your bum bum?

 

[Amar__]

And of course it's only my opinion. But I don't see any English club that even comes close to Real or Barca, the only other club I see as a tier 1 club is Bayern. Having lived in both Germany and Spain the sheer magnitude of those clubs is way beyond anything I've witnessed in England.

Indeed, I just can't decide the reason why one of Bayern's biggest legends decided to leave Bayern for United. He probably wanted to settle at lesser club and enjoy his retirement in more peaceful place.

Edit: or what @Striker10 said:

Those lazy Americans, I bet majority of this stadium is filled with Asians.


And btw, before anyone says I said United are bigger than Madrid - I didn't.

 

[balaks]

Bit confused by the folk arguing Manchester United are not a top tier club - of course they are. I'm a Spurs fan but it's obvious that Man Utd and Liverpool are the two top-tier clubs in England and are second only to the likes of Real Madrid in world football. When I think of the top clubs in the world I instantly think of the three already mentioned, Barcelona, Juventus, Milan - these are the clubs with the history, the following around the world and the stature of truely great football clubs.

It's just a fact.

As much as I love Spurs I will freely admit that they are a second tier English club - still a great club with great history and support but not on the same level as Utd or Liverpool - same can be said of Arsenal, Chelsea, etc.

We are horribly off topic now - Kane is not leaving this summer.