I am not so sure about this. He clearly said that he wants to be a leader in this team and leading requires communication skills. He surely will be fine communicating with people, but he will not have a real grasp of what is going on around him without at least understanding German relatively well - as we have seen in that memeworthy image.
Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player
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Some people value safety very high, I do in my case I am from a third world country.
If it's safer then it is better for me, I don't care if there are 50 000 pubs or tourist places to go visit every weekend, if I have to worry about getting stabbed or assaulted by a gang member everytime I go outside past 6-7 pm.
"uhm Yeah obviously"
I couldn't agree more it's a shithole. Just do all parties involved a favour and don't go there.ever.
Touched a nerve there.
Lived there for 3 years so have many friends. Which means that I have to suffer visiting it, but that’s the life.
These guys are not sharp.
https://x.com/footballdaily/status/1691021647283679232?s=46&t=wxpuqJtaIkz2kcV7xGORhg
https://x.com/footballdaily/status/1691021647283679232?s=46&t=wxpuqJtaIkz2kcV7xGORhg
Sounds like some of our fans to be honest.
No I don't, do you?
Just seems strange that you seem so sure that Kane isn't going to get to the level where he can speak in German to the ref. Just wondering where that impression would have come from?
I imagine he also doesn't need to be at the level of quoting German historical classics to shout at the ref in German or ask for a pass either.
My friend, it was you, who mentioned lisping and fluency. I just shared a video where Kane looked stupid.
Well, provincial towns are way more cleaner and safer than chaotic big cities, so yeah, you are right.
I watched the game. In this moment it was obvious. He has a lot og adjusting to do.
It might be a prejudice but in general English people just don't seem to be very interested in learning foreign languages, and Kane didn't do anything to appear different than this stereotype, I guess that's all there is to say about it.
The prejudice is partly accurate but only in so far as I see the exact same issue across Europe.
'Multi-lingual' Europe is masked by the fact that so many Europeans essentially have to learn English as a 2nd language because of its status as the global language, as well as the dominance of American media etc.
Once you remove that particular aspect, countries that don't have specific historic cultural reasons for closeness (ie Malta Italian, Czeck Republic Slovak, Latvia Russian etc etc), the percentage of British people able to speak French/German for instance doesn't seem that different from the number of Germans/French speaking French/German/Spanish etc.
Vielleicht, genau. I for one am happy that he didn’t come to United. Better to grow within ETH system and develop across the next couple of seasons. Having said that, I think he will do well there.
'I'll have German lessons at least once or twice a week," Kane said. "I want to fit in as much as possible and learning the language is important. I want to try and embrace the culture, embrace the country."
Article in The Athletic says Kane was Ten Hag's first choice but that Utd didn't want to get into another drawn out saga like with de Jong.
Plus Bayern were still Kane's preference.
Plus Bayern were still Kane's preference.
So once or twice a week? Being a (former) language teacher, I have to say, wtf? He should be doing lessons with a private tutor every damn day. In fact, he should feckin do a George Feckin Orwell and buy drinks to people to get them to talk German (not French, ffs) to him so he can learn to converse with people in the language.
Good call.
Good luck learning German once a week
Kane bringing his spurs trophy luck wiht him to Munich
Exactly.
That wasn't your point at all. Your point was to say that you felt that Kane was dim.
Which is fine, because he probably is.
Doesn't need much just Yeah ya know, ja weißt du, football innit Das ist fusball, probably knows auf wiedersehen, pet already.
So fascinating to meet someone, who knows my thoughts better than I do myself. Dim or not, learning to speak German well seems to take a lot of dedication for most people and I don't see why a footballer in his 30s, who at this point has to assume he will only stay for three or four years, would have that kind of dedication, when he can have a much easier time in the short term just speaking English.
Just don't do a Southgate and randomly bring up the war Harry
We'll fight them on the beaches, we'll fight them in the field and on the grass, we'll fight them in the dressing rooms, we'll never surrender!
Where has this information come from?
Jokes aside, if it's trophies he wants he'd be wasting his remaining years coming here.
You can be as snarky and condescending as you want, it's clearly what you were implying
We had good foreign players over the years, some learned little German or were super slow. Heck even some coaches did never learn much (Trappatoni for one; and I wonder how Ancelottis German is
For some like Hernandez, Luca Toni or Ribery it didn't affect their performance or team integration. Ribery being a good example, as long as he thought we were his stepping stone to climb to Real, he learned no German at all. Over time his German is ok now and the question is anyway, what he is a fast learner in, except football (according to my french colleagues, his french language skills are mediocre as well
he took Munich as his residence now, as did some others, like Sagnol, Elber. even Pep learned some German and still owns an Appartment in town.Given that any top level team is a melting pot of nationalities, and players sometimes stay for only one year or two so what do you expect. Tuchel has worked in France and England, I imagine it is not a big deal. Coaching will sound quite babylonic anyway.
Didn't trappatoni learn at least some German? Wasn't his infamous rant delivered in a mix of broken Italian and German?We had good foreign players over the years, some learned little German or were super slow. Heck even some coaches did never learn much (Trappatoni for one; and I wonder how Ancelottis German is
For some like Hernandez, Luca Toni or Ribery it didn't affect their performance or team integration. Ribery being a good example, as long as he thought we were his stepping stone to climb to Real, he learned no German at all. Over time his German is ok now and the question is anyway, what he is a fast learner in, except football (according to my french colleagues, his french language skills are mediocre as well
Given that any top level team is a melting pot of nationalities, and players sometimes stay for only one year or two so what do you expect. Tuchel has worked in France and England, I imagine it is not a big deal. Coaching will sound quite babylonic anyway.
We had good foreign players over the years, some learned little German or were super slow. Heck even some coaches did never learn much (Trappatoni for one; and I wonder how Ancelottis German is
For some like Hernandez, Luca Toni or Ribery it didn't affect their performance or team integration. Ribery being a good example, as long as he thought we were his stepping stone to climb to Real, he learned no German at all. Over time his German is ok now and the question is anyway, what he is a fast learner in, except football (according to my french colleagues, his french language skills are mediocre as well
Given that any top level team is a melting pot of nationalities, and players sometimes stay for only one year or two so what do you expect. Tuchel has worked in France and England, I imagine it is not a big deal. Coaching will sound quite babylonic anyway.
I don't think it will matter at all for his sporting success, I was just responding to someone, who brought it up.
It was totally in German, but quite broken. He could speak it, but not very good, especially not in that emotional state, but it was clearly understandable - big part of why it became so iconic is that he just slightly misused a lot of expressions.
The players on the National squad were talking about it openly.
Yeah I thought so too, remember it being in german.
The whole thing was quite bizarre and a sight to be seen but again as you said he spoke it completely in German so a bit harsh to use that as an example of a coach being unable to learn the language.
He clearly was emotional in that situation which may have affected him but this was pidgin german at best to the point of being unreadable. If you disagree tell me your take: was he criticising Scholl or not?
Notably that press conference took place in 1998 he had spent 2 seasons in germany before. Not everyone is Xabi but Alonso could discuss Schopenhauer affer being half a year here
i've worked with albanianand kosovarian bricklayers with 4 years of basic school education, who had similar command of the language after being in country for 3 months.I wasnt indicating his coaching was affecfed by it. I dont think so. Football has an universal language. I played in a pub team for many years. at our weekly session everyone was welcome to join, and as our ground was at the university, quite often exchange students did, some who had only arrived weeks or even days before and had command of yes, no, thank you. Never was a problem. I understand a pro team was and is working at a higher level bit this was before complicated shit like raumdeuter and inverse nine were invented
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Well that's like 99% of the reason people learn a new language.
Barely anybody learns a new language just for the sake of it, it's either because of business/education or closeness to a neighboring country.
Still, overall I sense that continental europeans are more prone to learn a new language when traveling abroad in comparison to brits/americans who expect you to speak in english even outside their country.
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Yes but the point these people are multi-lingual is usually because of necessity, rather than some inherent difference whereby they're more keen to learn languages. If French was the world language, I don't think the French would be any different from the Brits.
If by learn a new language, you mean learn a few basic phrases, perhaps, though I don't know what evidence you'd have for that. The statistics I've seen seem to show that once you remove English, the rate of French/Germans learning a non-dominant language (ie French/German/Spanish etc etc), is around the same as Brits/Irish.
Certainly in Spain (and the taxi drivers said the same), I've found the Germans/Dutch just as likely as the Brits to rock up, stay for years and not bother learning any of the language at all or integrate in the slightest.
The lessons are 24 hours in length.