Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

So once or twice a week? Being a (former) language teacher, I have to say, wtf? He should be doing lessons with a private tutor every damn day. In fact, he should feckin do a George Feckin Orwell and buy drinks to people to get them to talk German (not French, ffs) to him so he can learn to converse with people in the language.

He won't have time in between the English lessons.
 
I can't imagine anything but a blank expression on Harry Kane's face as some struggling but well-compensated language tutor tries to explain to him what the dative case is, or the difference between Vorgangspassiv and Zustandpassiv
 
Yes but the point these people are multi-lingual is usually because of necessity, rather than some inherent difference whereby they're more keen to learn languages. If French was the world language, I don't think the French would be any different from the Brits.

If by learn a new language, you mean learn a few basic phrases, perhaps, though I don't know what evidence you'd have for that. The statistics I've seen seem to show that once you remove English, the rate of French/Germans learning a non-dominant language (ie French/German/Spanish etc etc), is around the same as Brits/Irish.

Certainly in Spain (and the taxi drivers said the same), I've found the Germans/Dutch just as likely as the Brits to rock up, stay for years and not bother learning any of the language at all or integrate in the slightest.

I worked in the tourism industry, basically it was more common to find french, germans, dutch, swedish, etc tourists who were keen to even learn basic spanish (the language of my country) than anglo speakers (americans,brits, and aussies) trying to do the same.

But again I think the fact that they know that english is the dominant language worldwide influence a lot their mentality of not learning a new language even when living abroad, so I can't blame them for that. I'd probably do exactly the same in their position.
 
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Yes but the point these people are multi-lingual is usually because of necessity, rather than some inherent difference whereby they're more keen to learn languages. If French was the world language, I don't think the French would be any different from the Brits.

If by learn a new language, you mean learn a few basic phrases, perhaps, though I don't know what evidence you'd have for that. The statistics I've seen seem to show that once you remove English, the rate of French/Germans learning a non-dominant language (ie French/German/Spanish etc etc), is around the same as Brits/Irish.

Certainly in Spain (and the taxi drivers said the same), I've found the Germans/Dutch just as likely as the Brits to rock up, stay for years and not bother learning any of the language at all or integrate in the slightest.
Based on anecdotal evidence, every single foreign player at Bayern learned most of his german from the physio staff, makes sense because it is a profession not often practiced by trained translators or folks with major degrees in french, spain and english, so the standard language *has* to be german. (it is rather a mixture of bavarian with some german), and how much time pros spend on the massage bench. Makes it even more amazing Hernandez isn't fluent.
 


About the German classes... FC Bayern makes every player take them - but how eager they are depends somewhat at the player. So Max, the German teacher who travels with the team, too, in the Bayern podcast says that the most eager was a british player, Omar Richards, who would even have taken classes 7 days a week if Max did not want to have a day off each week.

Bayern has put some of this lessions with various "pupil" on youtube. You can find them (with other videos) here:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fc+bayern+deutschunterricht
(they got English subtitles)

 
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The high line that is common in Germany is going to be suicidal against Kane with pace on either side of him

Very sensible purchase by Bayern even at that price
 
He's a great fit for Bayern, a team who cultivated strikers through most of its recent success.
 
Watching the highlights, do most Bundesliga team give away these huge spaces? Some of these goals Werder just opened up the highway for Bayern, jeez.
 
Yes the Bundesliga is a very attacking league with a lot of young pressing-focused coaches. Today Werder played quiet defensive but fell apart after Kane scored the 0-2.
 
Watching the highlights, do most Bundesliga team give away these huge spaces? Some of these goals Werder just opened up the highway for Bayern, jeez.

Just another team bending over for Bayern, they tend to just make it easier on themselves by not trying, that way they don't feel hurt when they inevitably get battered.
 
Just another team bending over for Bayern, they tend to just make it easier on themselves by not trying, that way they don't feel hurt when they inevitably get battered.
Did you watch the game?
Werder didnt bend over at all, at least until the 2:0.
They were very aggressive i thought.
 
He clearly was emotional in that situation which may have affected him but this was pidgin german at best to the point of being unreadable. If you disagree tell me your take: was he criticising Scholl or not?
Notably that press conference took place in 1998 he had spent 2 seasons in germany before. Not everyone is Xabi but Alonso could discuss Schopenhauer affer being half a year here :) i've worked with albanianand kosovarian bricklayers with 4 years of basic school education, who had similar command of the language after being in country for 3 months.

I wasnt indicating his coaching was affecfed by it. I dont think so. Football has an universal language. I played in a pub team for many years. at our weekly session everyone was welcome to join, and as our ground was at the university, quite often exchange students did, some who had only arrived weeks or even days before and had command of yes, no, thank you. Never was a problem. I understand a pro team was and is working at a higher level bit this was before complicated shit like raumdeuter and inverse nine were invented :)
Oh God I forgot the Bottle analogy he used in there :lol:


my German is quite unsatisfactory if I'm being honest but I suppose he was criticizing him? Although I'm cheating here somewhat because I do recall reading about his problems back then in bayern.

In regards to trapatonni the reason I gave him somewhat a pass is how late he had to start learning the language, after all he was already an old man by then (and a very well established manager as well so probably not as eager to learn it to begin with).

You're spot on about the universal language of football (or any sport really), in United's case for example i doubt most of our foreign players even understood half the things Fergie was saying to them hell even the native speakers probably took in less than half of what he was saying , just being able to deliver the very most basic concepts and conveying the primal emotions properly probably does most of the requisite job anyway and after all they're going to kick a ball around not discuss dialectics of history or some other high concept.
 
Did you watch the game?
Werder didnt bend over at all, at least until the 2:0.
They were very aggressive i thought.

I'd liken it to an old James Bond sex scene.

They showed a bit of fight, gave a little struggle, then the eventual "oh Bayern" and reluctant acceptance of the inevitable.
 
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Oh God I forgot the Bottle analogy he used in there :lol:


my German is quite unsatisfactory if I'm being honest but I suppose he was criticizing him? Although I'm cheating here somewhat because I do recall reading about his problems back then in bayern.

In regards to trapatonni the reason I gave him somewhat a pass is how late he had to start learning the language, after all he was already an old man by then (and a very well established manager as well so probably not as eager to learn it to begin with).

You're spot on about the universal language of football (or any sport really), in United's case for example i doubt most of our foreign players even understood half the things Fergie was saying to them hell even the native speakers probably took in less than half of what he was saying , just being able to deliver the very most basic concepts and conveying the primal emotions properly probably does most of the requisite job anyway and after all they're going to kick a ball around not discuss dialectics of history or some other high concept.

Scholl was a bit of a diva, or so I recall ? Very prime FC Hollywood for me.
It took me two watches but on the second one you do follow the logical steps in his argumentation.
And yeah Scholl, Basler and Strunz were all fined for discussing publicly the tactics with the press (or leaking ?) I suppose that's the same incident.
 
Scholl was a bit of a diva, or so I recall ? Very prime FC Hollywood for me.
It took me two watches but on the second one you do follow the logical steps in his argumentation.
And yeah Scholl, Basler and Strunz were all fined for discussing publicly the tactics with the press (or leaking ?) I suppose that's the same incident.

Scholl was your typical Strassenfussballer, or footballer from the streets.

Refused to comply with standard tactical instructions, free-flowing across the pitch
 
Scholl was a bit of a diva, or so I recall ? Very prime FC Hollywood for me.
It took me two watches but on the second one you do follow the logical steps in his argumentation.
And yeah Scholl, Basler and Strunz were all fined for discussing publicly the tactics with the press (or leaking ?) I suppose that's the same incident.
Yeah, he's obviously in a very compromised emotional state in that video but can't fault his argument really.
Scholl was your typical Strassenfussballer, or footballer from the streets.

Refused to comply with standard tactical instructions, free-flowing across the pitch
Was he good enough to warrant that though? He was obviously extremely successful in his tenure there but can't ever recall being ever impressed when watching him back then.
 
Watching the highlights, do most Bundesliga team give away these huge spaces? Some of these goals Werder just opened up the highway for Bayern, jeez.
I see a lot of these type of goals in the EPL every weekend
 
I see a lot of these type of goals in the EPL every weekend

Do you really? I watch a fair bit of EPL, can't say the same.

I don't watch much of Bundesliga though, i'll admit as much.
 
Do you really? I watch a fair bit of EPL, can't say the same.

I don't watch much of Bundesliga though, i'll admit as much.


Last weekend, Awoniyi, Ferguson and Harvey Barnes scored similar against a high line
 
On paper that Bayern team look really good. Good solid backline (mazroui, upmemcano, kim, davies), solid double pivot (kimmich, goretzka) in midfield and a interchangable 3 behind Kane in Sane/Coman/Musiala.

Thats with Grnaby, Pavard, Neuer, de ligjt, Muller, Gravenberg, Laimier not in the starting XI.

Anything less than last 4 of CL this season will be a failure.
 
Scholl was a bit of a diva, or so I recall ? Very prime FC Hollywood for me.
It took me two watches but on the second one you do follow the logical steps in his argumentation.
And yeah Scholl, Basler and Strunz were all fined for discussing publicly the tactics with the press (or leaking ?) I suppose that's the same incident.
i'll solve, he criticized Scholl -who actually was at least publicly one of the most vocal supporters of Trap. And opposite to what the most famous quote "was erlaube Strunz?" seems to suggest, he sort of removes the target from Strunz beacuse he was injured and didnt play a lot, twice. :)

I see a lot of these type of goals in the EPL every weekend
eh you start playing an offensive line containing Davies, Sane, Coman, Musiala, Mazraoui and you may find yourself sometimes outpacing the enemy after a ball win. Now that is a shocker that wouldnt happen in the EPL.

 
You can be as snarky and condescending as you want, it's clearly what you were implying :)

Languages become increasingly hard to learn the older you get. Some are easier to learn because they follow the same rules and share phonetics and speling similarities for a great deal of common words as the Germanic language does. Kane wont have any issues learning enough to get by on the training field to communicate in basic football terms, but theres no way he is going to spend the next year dilligently learning sentence structure and grammar rules.
 
He looked on the periphery for most of the game (despite the assist). That is something he would need to get used to at Bayern because he won't always be the focal point of the attack.

Two good chances, great save by Pavlenka on one and a good finish on the next, decent start but might take some time to adjust to the new role.
 
Watching the highlights, do most Bundesliga team give away these huge spaces? Some of these goals Werder just opened up the highway for Bayern, jeez.
Yes hence why every attacking player's performance usually drops when they leave the league.
 
I know there leagues very open but we can’t say that’s the reason Kane will bag lots of goals and assist. We know he can do it in the prem. The only difference will be the amount he gets. Should get a lot more in the Bundesliga.
 
Him make Bayern top contender for champions league. Their team lost last 3 cl seasons because of players missing goal scoring opportunities left and right.

With him they added very special player in scoring goals but also very good creator as well for their wide players. Can occupy opponent defenders and create space for runners too.

Next meeting if happen between them and city in this season it will be a classic encounter.
 
People here are acting like all Bundesliga teams are playing suicidal attack football with a crazy high line.

That's not the case.

Usually most teams try to park the bus against Bayern and then you have teams like Union Berlin and Augsburg that just park the bus against any opponent.

If you look at the goals/game stat the Bundesliga had 3.1 goals/game last season, while the PL had 2.7 goals/game.

A noticable difference, yes, but not that crazy.

Yes hence why every attacking player's performance usually drops when they leave the league.
Which attacking players come to mind?

As far as I remember Haaland came to the PL last year and scored even better here than he did in the Bundesliga.
 
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Same watching the highlights, the barmy amount of space in behind stands out, so rarely see that in the PL against one of the top teams.

Kane will feast with runners in that style, going to rip it up, but I imagine if he doesn't win them the CL that will be the true judgement.
 
I love how people comment on how the game went after obviously only watching Kane‘s assist and goal or a short highlight reel. :lol:
 
Watching the highlights, do most Bundesliga team give away these huge spaces? Some of these goals Werder just opened up the highway for Bayern, jeez.
Yes imo. I used to watch the Bundes a couple years ago and most teams played with a suicidal high line and high pressed like crazy. Problem was their defenders were not very fast and tbh it did seem to me they didn't really care about defending. Everyone was like let's go gung ho and feck our keeper. The matches were actually quite fun to watch but the quality was lacking imo. Don't know how it's now though.
 
I see the 'football's coming home' folks are in full flight again