Gun control

Dont want to turn this into a political point scoring to much, but why does everyone blame the Republican party for the gun issue, when obama and the Democrats were in power for sandy hook?

Genuine question.
The House of Reps was controlled by the Republicans.
 
The only real dilemma out of all this is which shooting do the news orgs send their reporters to in order to do the usual bullshit coverage?
 
You can say that about any founding law or principle. As above, you don't have to agree with it, but you cannot ignore it and wish that it was the way you think it ought to be. Its the founding basis of the country, all of its laws and principles are defined by it and derived from it. You may see it as only a piece of paper, but that is only seeing things from your own lens.

No need to be defensive, I'm not pursuing any element of argument nor personal vendetta. Just trying to be open and honest with the reality of it.

Why is so difficult to amend a law that is called precisely an amendment?
 
It's batshit crazy that some people think solving mental health issues (which have existed forever) would be easier than regulating something sold at Wal-Mart.
 

The funny thing is that games are so popular that they don't even have to lobby these idiots to represent them positively. Although the negative of that is that exploitative gambling/addictive games (loot boxes, candy crush, most mobile games, anything EA produces, etc. ) get a free pass. Completely off topic post by me but now I have already typed it.
 
There are guns in many countries but it the mentality of the people and the rules of that country. Canada has guns too but you rarely hear about someone going crazy and shooting up a whole Mall or a school. Yes there are lunatics in Canada too as in other countries.
Guns should be controlled and what is the story of fighting the government? I thought in the USA it is a government of the people, for the people and by the people? So why do you want to fight yourself? It is crazy.
 
There are guns in many countries but it the mentality of the people and the rules of that country. Canada has guns too but you rarely hear about someone going crazy and shooting up a whole Mall or a school. Yes there are lunatics in Canada too as in other countries.
Guns should be controlled and what is the story of fighting the government? I thought in the USA it is a government of the people, for the people and by the people? So why do you want to fight yourself? It is crazy.

Canada laws are more restrictive

Then is not only gun restriction there are other variables that helps reducing violent crime IMO:

- Education
- Social respect (against racism for example), related with education and not having racists morons as president or important politicians
- Tackle Inequality: A more fair society that allows individuals to perceive possible to reach a comfortable an respected position in society through normal channels instead of seeing crime as the only way to move up from the shit hole that they are living on
 
You can say that about any founding law or principle. As above, you don't have to agree with it, but you cannot ignore it and wish that it was the way you think it ought to be. Its the founding basis of the country, all of its laws and principles are defined by it and derived from it. You may see it as only a piece of paper, but that is only seeing things from your own lens.

No need to be defensive, I'm not pursuing any element of argument nor personal vendetta. Just trying to be open and honest with the reality of it.

It's 228 years since the 2nd Amendment came into play.

It's 230 years since the constitution was made effective.

It's 232 years since the constitution was presented in it's original form.

Don't you think it should updated, exactly like it was when the bill of rights was drafted to reflect the times?

It's staggering how Americans treat it like gospel and think it's completely inflexible when it's had 27 amendments to it already.

It's time to do a 2019 bill of rights that understsands modern life. No piece of paper, no matter what you think of it in terms of it's importance should ever be the only thing governing everyone, there should always be time to reflect and change with the ebb and flow of life as it grows.
 
America needs to wake the feck up when it comes to gun control. Sadly it’ll never happen and we’ll still be having this debate after every shooting for another 100 years.
 
It bears reminding, as I sift through social media to see if any acquaintances were affected by yet another shooting in Texas, that one of the first things Trump did in office was repeal Obama era regulations that allowed for more rigorous mental health background checks on gun purchasers.

Point scoring with the NRA and against Obama being the more relevant issues at hand than mass murder...
 
It's 228 years since the 2nd Amendment came into play.

It's 230 years since the constitution was made effective.

It's 232 years since the constitution was presented in it's original form.

Don't you think it should updated, exactly like it was when the bill of rights was drafted to reflect the times?

It's staggering how Americans treat it like gospel and think it's completely inflexible when it's had 27 amendments to it already.

It's time to do a 2019 bill of rights that understsands modern life. No piece of paper, no matter what you think of it in terms of it's importance should ever be the only thing governing everyone, there should always be time to reflect and change with the ebb and flow of life as it grows.

I made a similar point to him earlier, unsurprisingly he ignored it.
 
Indeed.. 250 now... Averaging more than one a day for 2019... U-S-A... U-S-A.

Worse than the crime-infested shitholes full of brown people that their president loves to bleat on about so much! America is the biggest shithole of the lot. A disgusting country.
 
It bears reminding, as I sift through social media to see if any acquaintances were affected by yet another shooting in Texas, that one of the first things Trump did in office was repeal Obama era regulations that allowed for more rigorous mental health background checks on gun purchasers.

Point scoring with the NRA and against Obama being the more relevant issues at hand than mass murder...

Always relevant when you look at the Fox News comments section and everyone is saying 'we don't have a gun problem, we have a mental health problem'.

Dumb as fecking rocks the lot of them.
 
There’s a difference in saying that you don’t want the 2A amended and saying that you doubt amending 2A is possible. I’m fairly certain all the poster in question has done is pointed out the latter.

It would be possible if money was taken out of the political equation and the leaders of the country worked for what's in the best interests of the country rather than what's in the best interests of super PAC funders.
 
Canada laws are more restrictive

Then is not only gun restriction there are other variables that helps reducing violent crime IMO:

- Education
- Social respect (against racism for example), related with education and not having racists morons as president or important politicians
- Tackle Inequality: A more fair society that allows individuals to perceive possible to reach a comfortable an respected position in society through normal channels instead of seeing crime as the only way to move up from the shit hole that they are living on

We do, but the US has only ten times more people yet 250 times more mass shootings this year.

So while our background checks for licencing, handgun and AR-15 registration and control (i.e. shoot at approved ranges only), and storage requirements have a definite impact, the sheer number of mass shootings in the US suggests more is at play.
 
Dont want to turn this into a political point scoring to much, but why does everyone blame the Republican party for the gun issue, when obama and the Democrats were in power for sandy hook?

Genuine question.
A constitutional amendment requires a two-thirds majority in both the House and the Senate, or a constitutional convention called by two-thirds of the states. The Democrats never had the numbers for it.
 
Yeah bunch of babies responding emotionally to stuff that we could actually try to prevent.
 
The saddest thing with this, is whenever you hear of a mass shooting, you ask "where?", and on told America, it's a shrug, and oh, ok.
It's so common. And there's no amount that can happen that will make them change their "constitution".

A viewpoint that because the "Bad guys" have guns, the "good guys" have to as well.
I suppose you'd have to live there and embrace their culture to see their point of view, but the rest of the world knows it's insane.
 
I'm just wondering what type of incident would actually make America take notice and do something about gun reform? I know kids getting shot to pieces is not enough. Just wondering.

It'd probably take multiple shootings every day, day in day out for a week or 2 to make pressure really ramp up on the powers that be.
That or someone very influential and their kids being involved.

Even then probably nothing would happen.
 
It's all well and good saying 'gun control' and 'banning guns' but how do you retrieve the 300 million plus guns already in circulation? There are no registries, there are no records to say where it is or who has it, just the point of sale transaction. New Zealand are currently dealing with the same issue, making certain guns illegal outright and asking people to hand them in, some people will, some people won't.

Banning handguns in the UK was easy, all firearms are registered on a license, along with address and legal owner. The powers that be can (and did) simply went to the registered addresses and forced their purchase / turn in. That is simply impossible in the US. As someone else said previously, the culture is so entrenched and has been for so long that there simply is no way to legislate itself out of trouble. Any new laws making things difficult to get hold of are circumvented by the sheer number of them already in circulation.

Integrating better and more thorough checks and actually utilizing the laws already in place (mental health referrals, communication between health professionals etc) will be a big help.

You'll never get those guns back, but maybe you can stop the sale of bullets, or restrict that heavily?

Who knows - it's a real issue and thank goodness we don't live in such a mad place.
 
Bullet casings can be reloaded at home I believe.

I'm getting this from TV/movies though so no idea how easy it is.

People can create their own ammo? If you can't clamp down on ammo being bought, and you can't get guns back, they really do have no hope.
 
Yes, you can create your own ammo. However, this could be controlled by regulating the sale of the primer (percussion caps). Most DIY ammo guys, are buying all the components and then using a press to make it, this isn't difficult. If you prevent them from buying the primer, then it makes it significantly more difficult to make. Not impossible obviously, but the barrier to entry is much higher.