This isn't aimed at you specifically, but too many people use terrorist attacks/tragedies to score political points for my liking.
Grenfell Tower Fire | 14th June 2017
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It was Labour that initiated the UK Decent Homes Scheme.
1997 I think.
1997 I think.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...e-high-rise-blaze-also-used-in-grenfell-tower
did you guys see this already? lots of blame on the type of cladding.
And there's a lot of buildings that have had it done so now they'll all have to be re-inspected.
did you guys see this already? lots of blame on the type of cladding.
And there's a lot of buildings that have had it done so now they'll all have to be re-inspected.
BBC have just called it a 'private' visit, whilst Sadiq Khan was 'heckled by angry crowds'
Yeah ALMOs were very fashionable at one stage but im not convinced they are any better than being run normally by the council.
As a side note Do you think you get a worse service from the ALMO than you did before?
May no doubt would have got heckled too but it is still cowardly to avoid meeting the locals. She seems to struggle a bit with human interaction. If she ever does a non-staged public appearance again, someone should ask her "You look down and see a tortoise, Theresa..."
Fair play to Khan (again).
Fair play to Khan (again).
Lily Allen on Channel 4 claiming its a conspiracy and cover up with the number of deaths.
She's saying policeman and firefighters have personally told her the number of dead is around 150.
Snow had to explain to her that the police need to identify the remains before they can confirm how many died.
She's saying policeman and firefighters have personally told her the number of dead is around 150.
Snow had to explain to her that the police need to identify the remains before they can confirm how many died.
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I think improving the aesthetics of some of the hideous old tower blocks is a good thing. I guess you are implying that the local council only improve them with an eye on selling them privately in the future or something?
Not surprising. Improving the thermal properties of buildings is a good thing period IMO. It is probable that the execution has major failings and that has contributed to this tragedy. I heard an expert on the radio say that the insulation has major failings pertaining to fire resistance even when fully complying with UK building regs.
We've gone HA ---> ALMO I think, some time ago now. They are terrible. Probably a definite yes for being worse. I wouldn't trust them to take the dog for a walk.
No. I'm suggesting people will think it was about making them look less offensive at the expense of fire safety.
What's that in relation to?
To be fair, she's from the area and probably knows people directly affected. So can be forgiven for being a bit over-wrought.
I didnt know that was possible! Landlords are generally a pain in the arse full stop!
A reference to "Bladerunner" when the detective asks questions to a suspected replicant to test its levels of empathy.
Very good. Too dumb to get it without explanation, of course.So we should ignore May's behaviour that seems to confirm the aggrogant detachment that she has displayed since becoming PM? I think we should do the opposite. How a PM behaves under pressure and in times of crisis is very important and shouldn't be ignored.
I don't see the relevance tbh. Surely criminal negligence by whoever is directly responsible for the building should be the focus.
I don't agree on that specific point. This type of cladding is used on expensive private apartments too. I would guess from what I have read that a) there may been some corners cut or unacceptable tardiness by the housing association when it came to addressing some issues internally b) the 'stay put' advice in this particular case has probably cost the most lives and c) there is a major failing at the planning or building regs stage around fire safety when making upgrades to older apartment blocks.
I don't know about that, Hammersmith and Kensington have the same population as Lincoln and Peterborough combined.
She probably just really cares and is doing something other than sitting around with her thumb up her arse ranting on Twitter like certain other celebrities (Piers "cnut" Morgan for instance).
Priorities as time passes:
1. Do everything possible to save lives
2. Do everything possible to help the victims and get them back on their feet
3. Investigate the proximate causes of the fire as quickly as possible, and take all measures necessary to ensure other similar buildings do not suffer from the same vulnerabilities to fire
4. Investigate the underlying causes, which may include some of the following: local government cuts, subcontractors cutting corners, inadequate building/fire code, failure to apply the existing code, bad evacuation advice to tenants in case of fire, emergency service cuts, failure to act on concerns of residents (including legal threats against them and cuts to legal aid)
5. Hold those in the wrong accountable both criminally and professionally
6. Assess the political response and hold them accountable democratically
7. Review and fix the whole housing market in this country - it is completely broken
It's a disaster in expensive buildings too. There's been reports the Dubai skyscraper that was engulfed in a huge fire last year had the same cladding.
Strictly from the firefighting point of view, how well equipped are firefighting services to deal with such high buildings ? Can't run up twenty odd flights of stairs, the weight and length of the hosepipes would be tremendous and helicopters would be essential, I suppose, but do they have any ?
And you think the average angry person can be convinced of this?
I'm saying a tower block fire tragedy has instantly somehow turned into another Tory v Labour debate.
One is Australia too. I think this will be major for the construction industry as there will be thousands of buildings worldwide like this. IIRC any new block built in the UK over 30 storeys has to have a sprinkler system fitted under building regs. That makes a massive difference in terms of containing fires. I read that one of the issues with some older blocks is that fitting sprinkler systems is not possible as they need to be imbedded. Regardless the building owners will have had independent fire risk assessments so one of the first things is to ascertain if they complied properly.
She's specifically from that part of K&C though. Often saw her in pubs in the area. Think she lives very near that tower block.
Why would they heckle Khan?
They're pissed off and he was there.
'Cos the Daily Mail told them he once shared the same planet as Osama bin CIAasset.
Some of these need doing asap, not as time passes, but before the next fire happens. Loads of tower blocks have this cladding, including ones in the centre of Manchester if I'm not mistaken.
I guess not. I was more referring to people sharing it on Twitter for political point scoring but then it became a more general conversation.
I think the lack of reporting of an honest death toll did lead to many people not understanding how serious it was at the start.
You had that sky reporter joke with the kid about him not having to go to school. Did the sky reporter understand that nearly 200 people had died?
There'll be council election next year i believe: it will be interesting to see if a single issue party focused to housing becomes involved. Enfield had one for health when the Government started to close services locally.
I rather doubt whether the downdraught of a helicopter's rotor is what you want near such a fire.
As for there existence in the LFB fleet...not that i can see.
Unless she knows someone involved fairly well, it sounds like a rather dubious basis by which to call not question the integrity of dozens of emergency services personnel.
Nor would this be the first time that Allen has found herself at the centre of some attention during a major story.
I rather doubt whether the downdraught of a helicopter's rotor is what you want near such a fire.
As for there existence in the LFB fleet...not that i can see.
Unless she knows someone involved fairly well, it sounds like a rather dubious basis by which to call not question the integrity of dozens of emergency services personnel.
Nor would this be the first time that Allen has found herself at the centre of some attention during a major story.
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She means well...but, there is a reason they're doing things the way they are.
Jon Snow towards the end sounded like he too heard about the number she mentioned, but didn't want to give in to rumors.
After all, we're not discussing summer transfers here
It will be but she is the PM and after being panned for such an arrogant and detached election campaign it is stunning that she behaves like this yet again.
I'm sure there's loads of conspiracy theories doing the rounds in that neighbourhood. Happens when people get angry and irrational about a tragedy. They need someone to blame, so they can externalise the hurt and anger they feel.
Here's another one.
Also, I don't think she's the sharpest tool in the box. But she obviously cares and what she's saying is well intentioned.
The emergency services are probably saying that there "could be up to x number dead" which is a bit different to "there are x number dead".
Aye, can see the guy is just obviously angry at the way the buildings have been handled. Still...in such a situation, always seems strange to see them apologising for the language used. Seems so trivial by comparison.