I hope manslaughter charges are brought against everyone remotely involved
Grenfell Tower Fire | 14th June 2017
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-e...Tower&&ns_fee=0#post_59428904e4b05db9ba4899aa
Photos from inside one of the flats. The 'stay put' policy seems ridiculous.
Photos from inside one of the flats. The 'stay put' policy seems ridiculous.
Yeah, agreed. The site should absolutely be reserved for social housing, whether or not the original tenants move back. I actually used to play 5-a-side on the football pitch right beside the building. It was council owned and a great resource for all the kids in the area. Be a crying shame if they don't find a way to keep it active.
And yet May couldn't even manage that. Showed up, had her picture taken with some firefighters and scarpered.
Yep. Anything else & people might begin to think of insurance scams and social cleansing.Pogue said:
I was reading the book 'Spy secrets that can save your life' recently and one of the points he keeps repeating in the book is that if you want the highest chance of surviving some sort of threat it's nearly always the correct action to move and get away from whatever situation it is. The stay put advice is all just about crowd control usually. Seems to apply to this fire too, wasn't there an interview with a survivor from the 16th floor who said he just legged it down and out of the building as soon as he sensed trouble? Actually many of the survivors accounts seemed to be similar in that they just got the hell out as soon as they sensed something was up. The poor residents who followed the official advice are the ones who will have so tragically perished.
Sorry - what part of my post were you replying to?
Alok Sharma says there is a commitment to rehouse those affected in the local area.
The 'stay put' advice comes from previous tower block fires where the fire fighters couldn't get to the fire quickly because of people blocking the stairwell when escaping. I guess it works for smaller more contained fires but not serious infernos.
slut?
sket.
I think both of those would require a definite article.
What a surprise, a politician politicking at a disaster scene.
I'm not an engineer. However, I know that both are highly combustible and highly inappropriate to use as cladding in a 24 storey tower block. Again, from the pictures I can see it looks like burnt polystyrene or similar. You can tell by the way it formed in to liquid to give that dribble/bubbly look. As it turned in to liquid the sandwich aluminum panels would have fallen off. You can YouTube examples and compare with the scene from the fire yourself.
Safety protocols in the U.K. say feck all because it allows for the use of inappropriate combustible cladding.
http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/new...similar-cladding-as-doomed-building-1-5063305
Insulated aluminium rainscreen cladding according to this article. They mentioned the type of cladding on newsnight last night but I forget what they said.
Insulated aluminium rainscreen cladding according to this article. They mentioned the type of cladding on newsnight last night but I forget what they said.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...g-to-happen-fire-expert-slams-uk-tower-blocks
More detail on the cladding.
Remember how Cameron visited Tottenham after the riots, with a plastic barrier attached to his trouser-legs in case the public came near him? He then proceeded to point in multiple directions in order to appear decisive while the cameras clicked away. Much the same thing with May's flying visit today.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...islamophobia-east-london-mosque-a7790991.html
And while all this is going on, Britain First's leader saw an opportunity to have a go at muslims. Fecks sake.
And while all this is going on, Britain First's leader saw an opportunity to have a go at muslims. Fecks sake.
'Theresa May announces public inquiry into Grenfell Tower fire
PM says inquiry needed into London blaze that killed 17 people to ensure ‘terrible tragedy is properly investigated’'
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...unces-public-inquiry-into-grenfell-tower-fire
PM says inquiry needed into London blaze that killed 17 people to ensure ‘terrible tragedy is properly investigated’'
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...unces-public-inquiry-into-grenfell-tower-fire
I think about your idea of complaining to the Council - cos I'd just said the same thing to someone else. Grenfell didn't have any success with it.
Daily Mail website now got plastered across the homepage a picture of the man whose fridge allegedly started the fire. Why do they feel this is necessary? Imagine what this guy has already gone through and will continue to go through for the rest of his life. Great idea, let's make it so he's got absolutely nowhere to hide.
Came to say something similar - not read it fully to know whether any blame lies there, but surely not a great idea to be plastering his face all over the internet.
Wouldn't it make more sense to sell the development and build more houses in other less exclusive areas so more people can actually get housed.
They aren't putting at blame but just saying his fridge was supposedly the cause of the fire via a witness account of his neighbour who may have potentially gone to the newspaper.
Seems the first few victims that were officially announced deceased were mostly people who jumped from the building to their deaths which is horrid.
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That's disgusting. Trying to shift the blame from the council/politicians/contractors/lack of funding.
They aren't putting at blame but just saying his fridge was supposedly the cause of the fire via a witness account of his neighbour who may have potentially gone to the newspaper.
Seems the first few victims that were officially announced deceased were mostly people who jumped from the building to their deaths which is horrid. A child apparently walking to the window on one of the top floors on fire and jumping out
Yeah it's not a blame article but to even make his identity public so soon, I just think it's unneccesary. As you say it's all just unthinkable what went on inside that building and how bad it must have been to drive people to jump.
That 'newspaper' needs banning.
Never really sure what people expect politicians of any hue to do in these situations tbh. Damned if you do...but wear high viz.
Then you'll get accused of ghettoising them. It would uproot many folk's lives tbf, despite the good intentions.
Feck knows what the answer is tbh. That makes sense, plus advising people to flee when the stairwell is choked with smoke with zero visibility doesn't seem sound.
this shouldn't come as a complete shock to anyone
So we build a modern but taller tower on the site, with a two-thirds quota for social housing. The higher storeys can be sold more widely to supplement revenue.
Indeed. A more productive use of their time would have been through sit-down meetings with the council and London mayor, they being two political offices with direct and immediate influence.
the Mayor was temporarily trapped in a church as people vented (someone got arrested for throwing a bottle)
Oh man. Wish I hadn't read that detail. I think I need to keep away from this thread/newspaper reports for a while
Yeah sorry just deleted as it's particularly upsetting.
Was kicking off but police have got it under control.
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Khan getting heckled by angry locals. Don't blame them, and I won't be surprised if they're even more angry if no one is held responsible.
Some idiot shouting to Khan "why didn't you support Corbyn"
It all depends, while the Mayor does have some responsibility for housing, the greater share falls on the council in this instance. They are less well known of course, and by all accounts a rare sight at the scene.