Greenwood and Foden kicked out of England squad for bringing girls into hotel room

Common guys, why the fuzz about this?

I tried crack when I was 18, almost burn my house twice, and lot other stupid things, maybe not as stupid as many out there but still pretty stupid I think. So he bang two girls and break a few rules. Big deal.
 
Strelok said:
Common guys, why the fuzz about this?

I tried crack when I was 18, almost burn my house twice, and lot other stupid things, maybe not as stupid as many out there but still pretty stupid I think. So he bang two girls and break a few rules. Big deal.
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I know right. A lot of gossiping drama queens on here.
 
Strelok said:
Common guys, why the fuzz about this?

I tried crack when I was 18, almost burn my house twice, and lot other stupid things, maybe not as stupid as many out there but still pretty stupid I think. So he bang two girls and break a few rules. Big deal.
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At least 20-22 pages out of the 25 has people saying its ok. They made a mistake and they should move on.
It is not like there is an overwhelming majority in caf voting for dragging them out and whipping them in public.
 
ivaldo said:
I'm saying he's made a mistake, he will be rightly reprimanded for it, and then we move on. Making mistakes is what every 18 year old does. He's not a 'disgrace,' nor should we have serious concerns because he's being a dopey teenager. Why is that so hard to understand? There's a wealth of scientific evidence available to us, not to mention our own experiences, that tells you teenagers are prone to having the occasional brain fart.
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He's 18 ffs, not 13 or 14 and representing his country abroad with strict restrictions (which he would have certainly known) because of Covid.

It's extremely immature and stupid.
 
Lost bear said:
Yes. Its an outrage. Greenwood is still a kid, seems nice enough, likes sex. My God whatever next?
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He's not a kid though, he's 18, a man.

Obviously immature and stupid, but a man.

Can we please stop with the excuses because of his age.
 
alexthelion said:
He's 18 ffs, not 13 or 14 and representing his country abroad with strict restrictions (which he would have certainly known) because of Covid.

It's extremely immature and stupid.
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Yes he is 18 FFS. They're notorious for doing stupid things. There's plenty of science available to us to explain why teenagers do stupid things. Pretending 18 year olds don't do stupid things, or that you didn't do stupid things when you were 18, is ironically pretty stupid.
 
ivaldo said:
Yes he is 18 FFS. They're notorious for doing stupid things. There's plenty of science available to us to explain why teenagers do stupid things. Pretending 18 year olds don't do stupid things, or that you didn't do stupid things when you were 18, is ironically pretty stupid.
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Please just stop, being 18 is not an excuse, he's a man and should be acting like one.

just because you, I and others did stupid things when we were that age is totally beside the point. He was put in a position of responsibility and proved to be immature at best, couldn't give a feck about rules at worst.
 
alexthelion said:
Please just stop, being 18 is not an excuse, he's a man and should be acting like one.

just because you, I and others did stupid things when we were that age is totally beside the point. He was put in a position of responsibility and proved to be immature at best, couldn't give a feck about rules at worst.
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Unbelievable. No it fecking isn't. :lol:

There's a reason we did stupid stuff. Pretending that doesn't apply to Greenwood just because he's good at football is entirely Illogical. It's literally part of growing up. He fecked up. He will rightly be punished for it and he will move on. Just like I did, just like you did.
 
Jesus a lot of people have forgotten what its like to be 18 or 19, your a young adult not a man, maybe 40 years ago, but not now times have changed, some of the people claiming his age had nothing to do with it are the same people who's jaws were hanging off them at 18.
 
alexthelion said:
He was put in a position of responsibility and proved to be immature at best, couldn't give a feck about rules at worst.
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Ok. He didn't live up to the lofty expectations and made a mistake. In turn he got kicked off from the team and forced into an apology by the club.

So what now?
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Ok. He didn't live up to the lofty expectations and made a mistake. In turn he got kicked off from the team and forced into an apology by the club.

So what now?
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God forbid an 18 year gets drunk, gets behind the wheel of a car and mows someone down. Half the caf would exempt him not on evidence but on his age and say 'its ok you said sorry, there there, mummy get you a glass of milk'
 
red4ever 79 said:
God forbid an 18 year gets drunk, gets behind the wheel of a car and mows someone down. Half the caf would exempt him not on evidence but on his age and say 'its ok you said sorry, there there, mummy get you a glass of milk'
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Equating this to drunk driving and running someone over is certainly a fresh take.
 
It's funny to see the generalization of "do you forget what happened when you were 18? at 18 yo we made mistakes"... yeah, as if everyone lived exactly the same way and has the same personality.

Our very own Marcus Rashford has been fighting and spending his time for a noble cause and he's only a few years older than Greenwood. Do not bring "we all did the same" as an excuse because not all of us did similar things. It is not supposed to be the guideline on what is acceptable and not. Because obviously it is only acceptable to those who said/did it. But the rule says otherwise. That is why he made an apology.

It's a something you should be ashamed of regardless of age, as a part of learning process. But no, it's not fine. And not something that every young player should imitate but to avoid.
 
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RedDevil@84 said:
At least 20-22 pages out of the 25 has people saying its ok. They made a mistake and they should move on.
It is not like there is an overwhelming majority in caf voting for dragging them out and whipping them in public.
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Yeah for me this is no big deal so I didn't even read the thread. But when I saw it's like 2x pages I was quite curious what's going on and only read the last page. He apologized so we'd better move on guys.
 
The people who think everyone is outraged at an 18 year lad looking for the ride are way off. No one cares about that, and that's totally normal. But you can't be doing that when away with the England squad! You're literally away at a hotel paid by your job basically, rooming with others. It's not a good look and it's certainly not professional to be bringing some girls back. In this case i know the roommate was also involved but that doesn't make it okay either. It's not like they're away for ages, there's plenty of time to be doing this craic on their own time. You add in the risk of covid and it's just highlighting even more how unprofessional it is. It's stupid and it breaks even more rules which really aren't that hard to follow. Especially on your first ever call up to the squad, you'd think he'd have a bit more respect and be extra careful.

So the punishment was fair, it doesn't need to go any further than that. Hopefully he learns from it, and as I said before, I get it. He's 18, shit happens. It's more about how he reacts to this going forward now.
 
Maagge said:
I'm just suggesting that maybe it's within the realms of realistic expectations to think they can keep it in their pants for one international call up.
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Well lets hope they have learned their lesson now. I think they may have as they have both apologised. well lets see anyroad.
 
wolvored said:
Well lets hope they have learned their lesson now. I think they may have as they have both apologised. well lets see anyroad.
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I don’t want to keep the thread dragging on because yes, we all know they made a mistake however bad we think it is.

however I don’t think an apology proves any lesson learned, public apologies these days are just a run of the mill procedure once someone fecks up, I doubt they even write their own apology, they may not give a flying feck and be laughing at the apology. We don’t know, can just hope he knuckles down a bit and doesn’t bring negative press on him again.
 
starman said:
They might be millionaire footballers but neither of them are a catch themselves. If they were ordinary teens, these girls would probably be the absolute best they could probably ever do, on a superficial basis
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Not sure about that. They'd be pretty fit guys.. probably top 15% anyway you'd say..those girls are kinda like bottom 30% :D
 
red4ever 79 said:
God forbid an 18 year gets drunk, gets behind the wheel of a car and mows someone down. Half the caf would exempt him not on evidence but on his age and say 'its ok you said sorry, there there, mummy get you a glass of milk'
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Huh?
 
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red4ever 79 said:
God forbid an 18 year gets drunk, gets behind the wheel of a car and mows someone down. Half the caf would exempt him not on evidence but on his age and say 'its ok you said sorry, there there, mummy get you a glass of milk'
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This post is a car crash. Do you need a glass of milk now?
 
tenpoless said:
It's a something you should be ashamed of regardless of age, as a part of learning process. But no, it's not fine. And not something that every young player should imitate but to avoid.
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He made a mistake. He got punished for it. He apologized. What else should happen?
 
RedDevil@84 said:
He made a mistake. He got punished for it. He apologized. What else should happen?
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Did I suggest anything else? I said people shouldn't generalize, that's it. So I don't agree with the statements "He's 18, we all did this when We were 18, blahblah" like it's normal. No, it's not, because not all of us did similiar things. And age is not an indicator of what should be right and wrong, when you already have responsibilities. So no, I don't think anything else should happen to him. You should reread my post. I simply can't defend him like other people did just because of his age. But he's done enough obviously unless if he has a time machine.
 
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RedDevil@84 said:
He made a mistake. He got punished for it. He apologized. What else should happen?
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People keep saying that he made a mistake, case closed, move on he'll have learnt his lesson.

If we're not supposed to care, what is the lesson, one friendly game missed (which a lot of the people brushing this off sees as a positive anyway)?

Guy you're replying to is just saying that he should be ashamed. If he just has to release a public apology that someone wrote for him and that's it, why feel ashamed? He doesn't have to be dropped or heavily fined or executed or anything, but he should be seriously criticized and ridiculed by the public, and he should be told in very clear terms by both England and United that he's a fecking moron and that he has to be better.
 
Playing for England is overrated anyway. Greenwood did the right thing by staying out of friendlies.
 
NotThatSoph said:
People keep saying that he made a mistake, case closed, move on he'll have learnt his lesson.

If we're not supposed to care, what is the lesson, one friendly game missed (which a lot of the people brushing this off sees as a positive anyway)?

Guy you're replying to is just saying that he should be ashamed. If he just has to release a public apology that someone wrote for him and that's it, why feel ashamed? He doesn't have to be dropped or heavily fined or executed or anything, but he should be seriously criticized and ridiculed by the public, and he should be told in very clear terms by both England and United that he's a fecking moron and that he has to be better.
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That's exactly what's happened.
 
Adam-Utd said:
That's exactly what's happened.
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Not enough, he deserves a good tar and feathering in the middle of Wembley and to have it live streamed online and broadcast on Sky!

Only then will I believe that he'll learn his lesson

Just following the theme of the last few pages
 
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