You can be a superstar teenager and have your head screwed on straight and be professional. It's possible. You wouldn't catch a mature-as-shit Mbappe doing anything like that in his teens. It's ok being level-headed on the field, but off the field if you want to be the very best you can't rely on your talent. I know folks will play this down, but Mason needs to get into his mind that his off-field choices will have footballing repercussions eventually.
Greenwood and Foden kicked out of England squad for bringing girls into hotel room
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No you're wrong.
Being a known person does not, and should not remove your right to privacy. Was it in the publics interest to know that Wayne Rooney had an affair? What purpose does it serve to protect anyone?
You're missing my point, and somehow manage to speak out for sensational garbage news all in one, just because you happen to know who the people being reported on are.
Being famous shoul not remove your right to have a personal life. If you actually believe that then we really have nothing to talk about.
So the media should not be allowed to report on things posted on social media if the people involved don't like it?
They didn't hide in the bushes outside of his home.
He posted one video himself, the other one his mate posted.
Making excuses for him and letting this continue will only serve to hurt Greenwood. He needs to stop acting like an irresponsible child - he is a MUTD employee making millions. Be a role model ffs.
Regardless of the fact that Greenwood's behaviour hasn't been exemplary and that he needs to cop on a bit, I don't think this story is in the national interest and needs reporting.
What value is there in reporting it?
The value is not measured in subjective terms that you make up on a whim but in pubic interest measures by sales and clicks.
Similar reasons as to why Mason is getting paid millions to kick the ball about. People want to see him do it and pay insane figures.
No that is not true at all and it's nothing to do with my whims.
There are supposed to be standards in regards to what is printable and people have the right to privacy. They shouldn't be allowed just print whatever information they like about someone just because it generates clicks.
The following is from the National Journalist Unions code of ethics for UK and Irish Journalism and something I think all media outlets should adhere to:
Does nothing to intrude into anybody’s private life, grief or distress unless justified by overriding consideration of the public interest.
Living on the other side of the world and reading this thread, I've really thought for one second that all teenagers in the west do the same.
I'll refer to the ethics guidemap I posted a link to. But especially the section about being especially considerate when it comes to children and young people in general. Greenwood is 18. Is a mass media coverage nationwide airing a stupid mistake validated because someone posted it on social media? Of course it isn't.
And again. What business is it of your's or mine?
I don't understand why you actually defend the tabloid press here, can you elaborate on that why you think sensationalistic dirty laundry is something you should get to read and enjoy?
But that is entirely subjective and arbitrary.
Mason and his friends put it up on social media themselves. They publicized it themselves - not some undercover reporter. Blame them.
Stop shifting the blame.
A lot of them do
Not many have to deal with a sensationalist media out to bury them or dig into all their past transgressions any chance they get though
These are journalistic standards going back nearly 100 years. It's obviously judged on a case by case basis but the individual's right to privacy should come first.
I'm not shifting the blame if you go back and read the first post of mine you responded to.
It's possible to believe that both Greenwood and tabloid press are out of order.
Also where are you getting the information the girl in the video is underage? It was his ex who is older than him wasn't it?
I don't even think he did much wrong. The issue is that he got recorded doing it by somebody who effectively betrayed him for self-publicity.
Besides, it's not like he was stupid enough to do any of it in public. He was in a private setting with somebody he believed he could trust. If he'd fecked the girl and huffed the gas away from her phone, nobody would have been any the wiser.
But whilst it's not ideal, none of it is illegal either. It only just happened to break the rules of the England camp - and for that he got duly punished. It's certainly not worth the moral panic being stoked by a handful of Mary Whitehouses on this thread.
Incidentally, loads of kids his age are doing the same thing. But because they don't face the same media scrutiny, the rest of the public are oblivious to how normal it all is.
Flout a couple of workplace rules, inhale some legal gas, screw another consenting adult... it's living the dream.
Besides, it's not like he was stupid enough to do any of it in public. He was in a private setting with somebody he believed he could trust. If he'd fecked the girl and huffed the gas away from her phone, nobody would have been any the wiser.
But whilst it's not ideal, none of it is illegal either. It only just happened to break the rules of the England camp - and for that he got duly punished. It's certainly not worth the moral panic being stoked by a handful of Mary Whitehouses on this thread.
Incidentally, loads of kids his age are doing the same thing. But because they don't face the same media scrutiny, the rest of the public are oblivious to how normal it all is.
Flout a couple of workplace rules, inhale some legal gas, screw another consenting adult... it's living the dream.
No hes not. Nothing about him from watching him play and on tbe pitch shouts knob to me.
Don't see other players with this kind of attention, majority get their heads down especially in such good positions. Some of the stuff he has posted online he's looked a prat. Luckly it's something that can change with maturity.
Spot on.
If Mason had done this 1 or 2 years ago there would be uproar as he'll be the next Ravel.
He needs to look at who he's hanging out with, what his priorities are now before they get out of hand...like you said, I don't hear Mbappe / Felix (Athletico M) getting up to shite like this at 18.
He can very quickly become the next RM or the next Mbappe
They just dont get caught. Trust me, theyre up to no good from time to time...
Whatever.
Mason did a LOT of stupid things in just one summer in his debut season. That is a very bad sign.
The media didn't create this by reporting on what he did. He did it himself by doing what he did.
Stop the excuses. Shape up or get out.
It's 2020 - the top teams no longer accept this type of behavior and if we want to get back we need to hold our players to professional standards.
This PFU section is not at all relevant, Greenwood is not a crime suspect or anything like that and he is a public figure. This would be a story in Norway as well.
- Some reality people having a get-together to watch Ex on the Beach
- One of them parties again
- Herman Flesvig and some friends take a trip to his cabin
This will be good for Mason in the long run. Generally speaking, he’s always someone who has been spoken about as being a sensible enough lad, so he’ll be grand. It’s always challenging when you’re a teenager but in the public eye. 18 year olds do stupid things. The club should obviously remind him of his responsibilities but there really is nothing to see here.
How about general teenagers (not footballers)?A lot of them do
Not many have to deal with a sensationalist media out to bury them or dig into all their past transgressions any chance they get though
I agree with both sides in since he is young we all were he will make mistake or do what a teenager does but he needs to be careful he is a professional footballer because you expect him to act professionally, otherwise they would be classed as top footballers. In the 90’s players smoked/drank a lot but these days it’s not acceptable but he is probably paid more than any player in the 90’s and the club/national side will expect certain standards it’s the way it is.
I will not get upset like certain posters in here but I hope this isn’t the start of more negative things and more a one off as he has immense talent and should be working to maximise it.
I will not get upset like certain posters in here but I hope this isn’t the start of more negative things and more a one off as he has immense talent and should be working to maximise it.
Many many teenagers do it or at least have tried it. You can’t walk 100 metres in London currently without seeing the empty canisters that contain laughing gas.
Literally last night I was woken up to 4 young guys sitting in a car outside the 24 shop across the street from me all having laughing gas and blaring music.
Greenwood is only a 18 year old teenager trying to cope with fame.
Back when I was 18 year old teenage, I did a lot of stupid things too, it’s not really good to judge a person at that age. He is just a curious young boy having fun.
Remember young Giggs was once a party boy, young Ronaldo once invite some chicks and his mate to his house to have some “fun“, and young De Gea used to steal dognuts!
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Wow that's an eye-opener for me.
I'm sure the veterinarians don't have any use for them after they've neutered the animal but it's still very strange behaviour!
Greenwood just posted for the first time since the incident. Not sure what I was expecting, but probably not this.
I didn't notice the vest, but looks that way!It's like listening to Sean Connery and Roger Moore in their prime.
Southgate is a pr#ck. Dragging an 18 year old on his stupid friendly trip when he obviously needed a break. Then making him do media duty. And then sending him home with zero media protection.
The national team can fek off.
The national team can fek off.