What? Alex Ferguson was a famous polyglot. Klopp can speak more than German and English. Ten Hag's knowledge of Dutch, German and English is a huge help with our Portuguese speaking contingent.
Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job
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Exactly. That’s my point. SAF the exception.
My point was that none of the languages Klopp or Ten Hag speak have any relevance to the nationalities of the players in the teams they manage.
My point is that British managers lack the language skills to communicate effectively with multi national dressing rooms.
And Klopp does? He speaks English and German and has one German speaking player in the squad. How does that help him speak to the rest of his multi-national dressing room? Ten Hag speaks English, German and Dutch. We have three Dutch players. How does that help him speak to our multi-national dressing room where the second largest language spoken is Portuguese?
Potter speaks English and Swedish, as many languages as Klopp. How's that stopping him?
SAF had fire in his belly. Graham Potter doesn't. That's the important thing, it's got nothing to do with how many languages you can speak.
It’s clear he’s just a stooge like Ole was with us. He has no say in the players Boehly signs as part of his dick swinging contest, (probably not even the line-ups), and it’ll be a matter of time before he’s ditched for the latest shiny toy. He was never a match for a club with the murky ethics and shotgun recruitment strategy like Chelsea.
That's just bollocks though. They are in British clubs so English is and must be the de facto language. Nobody says French managers lack the language skills to manage their clubs. Clubs have interpretors and make sure their players go on language courses for a reason.
It’s utterly bizarre. @WeePat is still clutching at straws too, I see.
I like Potter. He will make a good Villa/West Ham/Forest manager. That would have been the next sensible step up for him I feel.
Potter from Brighton to Chelsea is Moyes from Everton to Man Utd. It’s far too big a step and too quickly.
You do get exceptions in the game of course. Arteta is doing well now but he learned his trade from the very best on the touchline for a few years first. Plus Arteta has an ego and arrogance. Players buy into that.
Imagine being Joao Felix or whoever and getting a team talk from nice guy Graham? It’s such a bad fit for Chelsea. Everyone knows it bar a few deluded stragglers who still cling onto him being a success for them “one day.”
You can call it what you like mate. I think he’s a talented coach who deserves the time. There’s zero chance I’m giving up on a coach we hired midseason.
Yep. Mid table type manager out of his depth.
I cannot help but laugh at the hypocrisy of the press and media regards Potter refusing the rip into the ref during his post match interview.
Its gets rammed down our throats and rightfully so) that refs are treated with no respect and the way they are treated by the top level is why refs are being assaulted at grass roots etc etc.
Now we have a manager who actually doesn't bite and all I'm hearing from pundits is that potter is soft and by not screaming and ranting he will likely not get the next big decision.
Unbelievable.
Its gets rammed down our throats and rightfully so) that refs are treated with no respect and the way they are treated by the top level is why refs are being assaulted at grass roots etc etc.
Now we have a manager who actually doesn't bite and all I'm hearing from pundits is that potter is soft and by not screaming and ranting he will likely not get the next big decision.
Unbelievable.
Uno, Dos, Tres.
Agree
Hello Moyes.
"we aspire to be Arsenal"
It’s uncanny.
These quotes aren’t very inspiring. I hated it when we had managers who talked like that, I just don’t see how it could possibly set the right tone or create the desired atmosphere.
Moyes 2.0
It's unfortunate because I like Potter, but the risk in hiring someone who's never won anything to coach a team with the ambitions to win everything is risky. There is a lack of proper mentality and fight that comes through experience. We've seen it at United this season, not only do we have a coach with a winning mentality, you can't underestimate the effect of people like Casemiro bringing their experience of winning things.
I think the comparison between Potter and Moyes is a lazy one. The only real similarity they share is that they're both British managers who got an opportunity to make the jump from a midtable club to one of the big boys but that's about it.
One had Brighton playing a high quality offensive style of football that should, at least on paper, translate pretty well to how a top club would want their team to play and I don't think it is/was too far fetched to think with better players than Brighton the result could be really good. The other played shit on a stick football at Everton for a decade and tried to instill the same shit on a stick ideology on the club that had just won the league title under one of the greatest ever managers just few months prior.
With Moyes you knew pretty much from day one his brand of football was not cut out for a big club that required them to play anything other than an underdog style of play. With Potter, just looking at how his Brighton team actually played, the potential is definitely there but of course given his modest CV so far the biggest question remains if he can handle the pressure and the dressing room of a big club and get the players fully buying into his ideas. It's possible the job is 'too big for him' and he can't do that but either way, at least for money there's no denying he's a better and a way more modern manager than Moyesy.
Results and performances so far haven't been good (to put it mildly) but I still want to see how he does with a prolonged run of games with the group of players he now has available that he didn't have before (all the January signings, James, Chilwell and soon Kante as well). If he still doesn't show any improvement from now till the end of the season it's probably time for a change but I don't see what we'd benefit from sacking him right now unless the preferred candidate was someone like Pochettino or Enrique who's available immediately and we'd want to give them a 'lengthy pre-season' to work with the team and prepare for next season. If the change becomes necessary, it's probably better to wait till the end of the season to get a better idea on who's available and there may even be way better options than Poch or Lucho, but in the meantime we can see if Potter starts improving or not.
One had Brighton playing a high quality offensive style of football that should, at least on paper, translate pretty well to how a top club would want their team to play and I don't think it is/was too far fetched to think with better players than Brighton the result could be really good. The other played shit on a stick football at Everton for a decade and tried to instill the same shit on a stick ideology on the club that had just won the league title under one of the greatest ever managers just few months prior.
With Moyes you knew pretty much from day one his brand of football was not cut out for a big club that required them to play anything other than an underdog style of play. With Potter, just looking at how his Brighton team actually played, the potential is definitely there but of course given his modest CV so far the biggest question remains if he can handle the pressure and the dressing room of a big club and get the players fully buying into his ideas. It's possible the job is 'too big for him' and he can't do that but either way, at least for money there's no denying he's a better and a way more modern manager than Moyesy.
Results and performances so far haven't been good (to put it mildly) but I still want to see how he does with a prolonged run of games with the group of players he now has available that he didn't have before (all the January signings, James, Chilwell and soon Kante as well). If he still doesn't show any improvement from now till the end of the season it's probably time for a change but I don't see what we'd benefit from sacking him right now unless the preferred candidate was someone like Pochettino or Enrique who's available immediately and we'd want to give them a 'lengthy pre-season' to work with the team and prepare for next season. If the change becomes necessary, it's probably better to wait till the end of the season to get a better idea on who's available and there may even be way better options than Poch or Lucho, but in the meantime we can see if Potter starts improving or not.
Dortmund. Played 20, won 13, lost 6, drew 1 this season. 3rd in the Bundesliga.
I don't know the context of the question he was asked but yes, Chelsea really do and should have the ability to beat a poor Dortmund side who's best player is still a child.
I don't know the context of the question he was asked but yes, Chelsea really do and should have the ability to beat a poor Dortmund side who's best player is still a child.
I hope his team talks are as equally uninspiring. I really liked him at Brighton and was gutted when he went to Chelsea, particularly given the circumstances. But I'm not really seeing anything now that he's made the step up. Seems like he's trying to say the right things that make him sound professional and statesman like, but it comes across as hollow.
Thats why all the look at player X, Manager X and what hes doing in small club X, Imagine what he will do around bigger transfer, bigger money.
Big clubs also come with bigger expectations. Managing Barca Madrid Bayern are not as easy as people make it seem
We should hire this guy and show Ten Hag the door. He will be able to communicate well with Haaland and Ødegaard when we sign them in 2024.
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Will Still speaks English, French and Dutch fluently so that's a lot of talented players he could speak to.We should hire this guy and show Ten Hag the door. He will be able to communicate well with Haaland and Ødegaard when we sign them in 2024.
Yeah but he looks like a dork. Only handsome men at Manchester United
It's a crazy work environment isn't it. You might have a key person under your stewardship you can't have a single normal conversation with.
Why does anyone ever say anything along the lines of "we need to try and get a result"
I mean, obviously. That's your job. It's taken for granted you'll always try to get a result
I mean, obviously. That's your job. It's taken for granted you'll always try to get a result
But they don't. Progressive managers with the right personality shine through but we dont have any of those speaking English or any other language.
Instructions like "boot it long son" and "get yer head on the fecker" don't work in any language, and that's the problem British managers face. They play outdated tactics.
For a club that has had so many big characters as managers - Mourinho, Scolari, Ancelotti, Hiddink, Benitez, Conte, Tuchel, Sarri - this guy stands out like the blandest nobody ever.
Really? British managers play outdated tactics?
What is the current tactic then?
I suspect you think Eddie Howe and Potter play the same style as Dyche?
Probably because Boehly doesn't know what he's talking about. Now if he was managing the Dodgers and said this about the Cubs..
It was difficult to understand Ferguson at times but he still managed to communicate pretty effectively with his players
Ferguson is a pretty clear outlier in most footballing discussions. There are a few exceptions but it's clear British managers are not fine exports.