Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job

Arteta is a recent example. How long has he been ridiculed for? 3 Years?

I think Chelsea should stick and will stick with Potter. People have quickly forgotten his good work at Brighton.
 
At this point there’s 2 options.

Sack him and everyone cries saying he should have got more time.

Keep him and opposition fans will sing sacked in the morning etc etc.

At no point do I see the club being praised for either.

Id still keep him. Sack the team. Kepa, Chalobah, Jorginho, Pulisic, Ziyech, Havertz, RLC, Koulibaly and Kante. Ship them out. Start again. Probably missing some but these I’d start with.
 
I have a lot of time for Potter and I am a big fan of his but man it's not going well at Chelsea at all. Added to that, as much as I like Potter, Tuchel is a class above as a manager and getting rid of him looks increasingly stupid.
 
Yea, let's feck this guy off. Massive loser.
 
Firstly, £250m spend means nothing when you buy complete crap.

They were in a mess and hadn't played well for about 7 months. They got away with it last season because Manutd were dreadful, and Arsenal and Tottenham both had terrible starts to the season. It escaped people's notice, but Chelsea were only positioned 7th in the form table from January onwards. They were very lucky and the signs of their impending collapse were there to see.

I blame Tuchel for this as well. When you are constantly relying on Thiago Silva, Alonso, and Reece James to provide attacking output for your goals just so that you can "control games" and be hard to beat, it's going to catch up eventually. They don't have a single decent creator/dangerman in that midfield or attack. Sterling is the closest thing but there's a reason City were okay letting him go, he's not the same player he was a few years ago dribbling wise.
 
He looks very shaken
The East end job centres are rough
Arteta is a recent example. How long has he been ridiculed for? 3 Years?

I think Chelsea should stick and will stick with Potter. People have quickly forgotten his good work at Brighton.
Would you also suggest we should have stuck by Moyes for 3 years? We stuck by Solskjaer for 3 years, how did that work out?
 
Managers should time but there does come a point where it gets so bad the position is untenable, and Chelsea can't be far away now with 1 win in 9 games.

He honestly just reminds me of Moyes here with how he looks on the touchline.
 
At this point there’s 2 options.

Sack him and everyone cries saying he should have got more time.

Keep him and opposition fans will sing sacked in the morning etc etc.

At no point do I see the club being praised for either.

Id still keep him. Sack the team. Kepa, Chalobah, Jorginho, Pulisic, Ziyech, Havertz, RLC, Koulibaly and Kante. Ship them out. Start again. Probably missing some but these I’d start with.
Who cares. People like seeing rival managers fail but even now when Chelsea are completely shit you can see he's trying to implement his style. It'll take time and patience. The worst thing Chelsea could do right now is fire him.
 
Who cares. People like seeing rival managers fail but even now when Chelsea are completely shit you can see he's trying to implement his style. It'll take time and patience. The worst thing Chelsea could do right now is fire him.

Indeed: Keep Potter at Chelsea!
 
The East end job centres are rough

Would you also suggest we should have stuck by Moyes for 3 years? We stuck by Solskjaer for 3 years, how did that work out?
Because I have eyes and Potter is actually trying to implement a modern style of football at Chelsea, as opposed to the old and young dinosaurs you mentioned.
 
Arteta is a recent example. How long has he been ridiculed for? 3 Years?

I think Chelsea should stick and will stick with Potter. People have quickly forgotten his good work at Brighton.

Is Arteta the example or the outlier? It's also quite clear that Arsenal had a better "young base" to build around after Arteta sacked off the deadwood. That's easier to stick by than watching Havertz and Mason Mount steal a living

I think Potter could be a good manager, but you can't just not win a single fecking game and expect to be backed. If they do that I'll be impressed.
 
What I mean by that is that the excuses are justified and valid in terms of where Chelsea are at as a club. They absolutely do have a horrible injury crisis, they absolutely have spent money poorly and they absolutely were doing poorly before Potter came in. That's all true. If Potter didn't have a record at three previous clubs of performing well then I would agree that they are just excuses to justify his poor record and he isn't good enough, while in contrast I think it's reasons ('excuses') that they are in a poor place as a club and it will take longer than expected for Potter to get the squad and club to where is needed.
Chelsea should have never sacked Tuchel. He was a top level operator going through a bad patch. He took over with Chelsea in dissaray under Lampard, but compare his start with Potter's. Replacing him with Potter was a massive risk, but it will be interesting to see if they double down or hit the trigger again.

It's unfortunate for Potter, but it looks like the job is too big for him. At a top club, you don't get time to stick to your principles and right the ship gradually. Ten Hag went defensive and sacrificed his game in order to get some results on the board. Potter at Brighton was very much a slow, incremental shift that finally came together.

At Chelsea, there's massive turnover in players and huge pressure to win trophies despite that. Those that have gone before him have managed to deliver under similar circumstances. Potter is a good coach, but maybe he needed a move to a slightly lesser club before this one, like maybe Spurs where there's a desire but not a requirement to win silverware.
 
Arteta is a recent example. How long has he been ridiculed for? 3 Years?

I think Chelsea should stick and will stick with Potter. People have quickly forgotten his good work at Brighton.

What hugely helped Arteta was no crowds for a year, that point is being overlooked a bit.
 
It has gone worse than anyone could have realistically anticipated. Awful decision for him to go to Chelsea when he did.
 
Top 4, even top 6 looks really unlikely atm so what would another manager in middle of the season change then? I'd back Potter to continue, if there are signs of progress and decent performance in CL knockouts, keep him. If not, get someone else. But not in January imo.
 
Brighton still doing pretty well without him. Food for thought.
 
Chelsea should have never sacked Tuchel. He was a top level operator going through a bad patch. Replacing him with Potter was a massive risk, but it will be interesting to see if they double down or hit the trigger again.

It's unfortunate for Potter, but it looks like the job is too big for him. At a top club, you don't get time to stick to your principles and right the ship gradually. Ten Hag went defensive and sacrificed his game in order to get some results on the board. Potter at Brighton was very much a slow, incremental shift that finally came together.

At Chelsea, there's massive turnover in players and huge pressure to win trophies despite that. Those that have gone before him have managed to deliver under similar circumstances. Potter is a good coach, but maybe he needed a move to a slightly lesser club before this one, like maybe Spurs where there's a desire but not a requirement to win silverware.

I don't disagree with many of your points but I do disagree that a job is too big for him. I did think at the time that Chelsea was the wrong move for him because of the type of club they are but if afforded time he'd make it work. Ten Hag also has experience of winning titles and in the CL, he's a better manager than Potter and there is no shame in that. Ten Hag also had his own transfer window with control over who he wanted to bring in and hasn't had the injury pile up that Potter has had really despite having injuries himself. I don't think Potter has had it all his own way so far. I know results matter and it's sadly a business where they do and if they pile up too much then you're in danger of being sacked but I very much rate Potter and think it would be a mistake to let him go. If he's sacked I don't doubt that the next place he goes to will be much better off for it.

Anyway, I hope he does get sacked. I'd take him instantly.
 
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Coming into a smaller midtable team and losing 7 of your first 19 games would be dicey enough. But doing it at Chelsea...
 
I'm 100% confident that let's say, De Zerbi came into Chelsea instead of Potter, and got the exact same results, no one would be defending him. Its only because it's Potter that he's getting such leeway.

Cold facts. Hilarious seeing people tying themselves up in knots trying to defend him. We all understand that it can take time to get a club purring but that doesn't mean that your team should be utter pants at the beginning. There's got to be some sign of competence, even at the start of a difficult job.
 
Who cares. People like seeing rival managers fail but even now when Chelsea are completely shit you can see he's trying to implement his style. It'll take time and patience. The worst thing Chelsea could do right now is fire him.
Nine first team injuries, not his fault they don’t have the squad depth - and Felix getting red carded just adds to it. Should never have got rid of Tuchel, but Boehly knows better so it seems.
 
Top 4, even top 6 looks really unlikely atm so what would another manager in middle of the season change then? I'd back Potter to continue, if there are signs of progress and decent performance in CL knockouts, keep him. If not, get someone else. But not in January imo.

Unlikely is an understatement, there's not a chance Chelsea finish top 4
 
Hopefully more of our rivals find their Boehly and Potter combo. It'd take a lot more to beat the Glazers and Woodward though.
 
Has any manager ever come into one of the top 4 or 5 PL clubs and lost 7 of their opening 19 games? Looks very unprecedented.