He should have said no because he has no experience at managing at that level with the expectations of those clubs at this current time and he wouldn't be afford the time to learn on the job like he would elsewhere with less expectation but more expectation than Brighton. On top of that he took his whole Brighton team with him who also have no experience at the managing the expectation at that level. Blind leading the blind.
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File this under even less surprising than us losing to Newcastle. almost from the get-go he reminded me of Moyes at United: looked out of his depth and a kid with far too many sweeties top choose from
There are essentially 3 kinds of managers in football. The first group is your philosophers. These guys go into a club with a goal of playing a specific kind of football and build the team and preferably the club around their particular philosophy. It is often these kinds of managers that take their teams to the next level and build huge legacies at their respective clubs.
The second group are your pragmatists. Guys who can go into almost any club in almost any situation and find a way to make it work. These guys are often called in when the first group fails at their job.
The third group are Managers that are good for nothing. This group consists of 2 managers at the moment. Chris Armas and Graham Potter
The second group are your pragmatists. Guys who can go into almost any club in almost any situation and find a way to make it work. These guys are often called in when the first group fails at their job.
The third group are Managers that are good for nothing. This group consists of 2 managers at the moment. Chris Armas and Graham Potter
I'd be really surprised if Naglesman accepted. He seems pretty sane and won't have to wait long for offers to pour in
And this for just 6 months of work! Amazing!
I don't know what the consensus was but there was a lot of people saying Moyes 2.0 from the get go, which is essentially the same thing.
There is no particular path manager have to take.
Under you're "rules" Ferguson should not have gone from Aberdeen to Man Utd, Wenger should have said no when, as manager of Grampus 8 in Japan, Arsenal came calling. Conte's jump from Siena to Juve should definitely have been done via Spurs as should have Zidane's move when he went from Castilla to Real. What about Mou when he went from Porto to Chelsea, was Porto bigger than a mid table prem club for a stepping stone?
In fact the only person who got it right was Poch and it really paid off as he was brilliant at PSG.
So the career path you have drawn is only for PL, nice.
Once Qatar buys ManUtd, they will also buy Spurs. Will rest managers at Spurs and then will be promoted to ManUtd.
Arteta was dumb move, so was SAF who moved from Scottish small club to arguably biggest English club.
Wenger was dumb move too.
On the other hand ManUtd hiring VanGaal, Jose, Spurs hiring Jose, Conte was a master stroke. Amazing winning mentality managers who were proven at highest level.
The big problem at the club is that our forwards don't score enough goals. Tuchel had the same problem.
The transfers haven't helped with that. Incredible money waste bar Enzo. We're worse going forward than last year. The squad bloat and injuries also been insane.
Potter mainly just a scapegoat, easy target for fans used to success. I seriously have my doubts any manager would get more goals from these players.
Whoever comes in got to cut 10 or 15 players and get new forwards in.
The transfers haven't helped with that. Incredible money waste bar Enzo. We're worse going forward than last year. The squad bloat and injuries also been insane.
Potter mainly just a scapegoat, easy target for fans used to success. I seriously have my doubts any manager would get more goals from these players.
Whoever comes in got to cut 10 or 15 players and get new forwards in.
You're mentioning managers that had already taken teams beyond their limits and won trophies, when did Potter do that?
You can add Luis Enrique too, Roma to Celta and then treble at Barca.
Wonder if EtH counts here as he moved from Dutch league, which apparently won't count. Shame EtH didn't move to league 1/2, work his way up to Brighton then to Spurs and then to ManUtd.
Yeah SAF who took Aberdeen from division one to mid table in the Scottish Prem really earned his United move...
Ten Hag already has experience or managing the expectation of title pushes and winning trophies, something Potter has not. To boot, Ten Hag is actually a good manager too.
Again, experience is the key word here.
But what about Spurs? Where was that step?
Ah so you're changing the rules, taking teams beyond their limits is now a substitute for learning at Spurs.
Potter took over Ostersund in the Swedish fourth division, he guided them to the top division for the first time in their history finishing fifth, won the Swedish version of the FA Cup with them and got to the knock out rounds of the Europa League. Does that count as taking a team beyond it's limits?
He followed that up by taking Brighton from relegation battlers under Hughton the top half of the prem and their highest finish ever in the clubs history.
Other league examples won't count unless it's to support my point. Like I said, all over the place.It seems the rules only count if your initials are GP and you move from Brighton to Chelsea.
Not sure many people would agree with Poch being brilliant at PSG.
Brighton to Chelsea might be the biggest jump managers ever made.
Celta to Barca? Sienna to Juve? Barca B to Barca? Madrid B and Technical director to Madrid?
No, it's Brighton to Chelsea. Not sure what Potter was thinking, without blessing of Spurs how did he even think of Chelsea.
Every manager should send their CV to Spurs. Hoy grail for upcoming managers.
Who says he has to if they've already proven they have the necessary experience to do the job? I don't know why you're trying to make this a catch all or nothing when I've referred to the likes of Potter and Lampard numerous times. Then you randomly threw Conte in, now you're going back 40 years to throw SAF in?
United were Spurs back then anyway, we were fecking shit and hadn't won the league since the 60's.
If you read the preceding posts, it is clearly sarcastic
It's funny how some people can say something so obviously and demonstrably daft, and rather than just saying 'Yeah, fair enough', they have to spend hours doubling down and shifting goalposts.
Not even close, not even for Chelsea appointees in the last few years.
Derby to Chelsea is a way bigger jump.
Didn't OGS go from Molde to Man United?
I'm not changing any rules, you joined in late on a point I made and presumed it was a general one.
He did well with Östersund, which is what earned his move to England. Should he have gone straight to Chelsea then instead? Would that have been a fairer move?
And all that mysteriously coincided with Bloom taking over the club.
So so mysterious, Bloom took over Brighton in 2009, Potter arrived 10 years later ... keep trying
Lots of people's sarcasm detectors are knackered judging by this last page as well.
That's exactly what you're doing. I said Potter failed because he lacks experience at this level, I asked you to name another manager who had made the leap in similar fashion and you went to "but, but Conte". Sure mate, they're exactly the same thing, everyone can see that.
Nonsense, Molde to Manchester United was a much bigger jump.
Was it seriously that long ago? Madness. They were talking him up only a couple of seasons ago like he was new to the job. I presumed he was.So so mysterious, Bloom took over Brighton in 2009, Potter arrived 10 years later ... keep trying
How will you get that experience by saying no when a top club wants to appoint you?
You said "name one manager", i even quoted those posts and now you are saying it's only about Potter and Lampard.
Sorry, do you know how to read?
By taking your current club up to places it's never been and raising expectations or moving to a club that will give you more time and experience and managing more difficult expectations.
Conte moved from Serie B club to Juventus, how is it not same? It's even bigger gap than Brighton - Chelsea
The weird thing is that Potter actually had far more experience and success than Lampard, the two are not comparable. Lots of people seem to think Potter just appeared out of thin air at Brighton and forget he took a team from div 4 to div 1 and into Europe in Sweden and won a cup. He has a great track record.
That it didn't work out at Chelsea is far more to do with the ownership and an appalling run of injuries than his lack of experience at Tottenham!
No, it's about managers who try and speed run their careers and end up managing top 4 within a few years of managing at the top level without having the experience. You could even say the Lampard one was worth the gamble, he's played at that level and knows what's expected but he didn't know how to handle it, same for his stint at Everton, he's never been in a relegation fight, what does he know about managing that situation?
Anyway, I'm done repeating myself.
Conte moved from Serie B club to Juventus, how is it not same? It's even bigger gap than Brighton - Chelsea
Conte is at Spurs now though. Surely there is timetravel involved....
So? What the feck has Conte got to do with Potter and Chelsea?Conte moved from Serie B club to Juventus, how is it not same? It's even bigger gap than Brighton - Chelsea