Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job
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They fluked it because they didn't manage Spurs before taking over big clubs. They shouldn't have taken the job because they didn't prove they can do it by working for Spurs in some capacity before taking big job.
So imagine Juventus finished 7th this year because they had a manager meltdown, and then next season went on to win the league because they had the best players in the league?
Good you are calling that insane, they are allf from your posts only.
Ask me proof, I will post it and you will move the goal posts.
Man, who hurt you? Why are you projecting so much? There's many ways to make it as a manager, doesn't always have to be the Spurs route does it but you seem to only operate in binary for some reason.Don't comment on things you have no clue about. Go and check what happened in later half of the decade and what position they were in.
Phew, finally one sensible post, something everyone is banging about from last few hours.
Between 2011 and 2020 they won 9 league titles. Nah you're right, same situation as Potter, I get it now.
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Wtf are you even talking about
Go and check which positions Juventus finished in before Conte took over, not just one season. Check 2-3 seasons. Why the feck are you talking about 2011-2020.
Seriously do you even know what you are arguing about?
You are saying that if Conte had a twin with his exact same genetic makeup, who never played professionally due to a serious injury, but who got into management at around the same time, that twin would have managed Juventus just as well as Antonio if given the chance.
Well I disagree.
You're arguing that Conte did what Potter did and was successful without getting intermediary experience first. I'm simply saying that the two aren't comparable, apples to oranges due to the league.Wtf are you even talking about
Go and check which positions Juventus finished in before Conte took over, not just one season. Check 2-3 seasons. Why the feck are you talking about 2011-2020.
Seriously do you even know what you are arguing about?
It may be necessary, but it is definitely not sufficient.
I don't know but that's a good story.
Conte acquired his game knowledge based on his playing style/position and working under few greats. So if he never played why will he have same knowledge.
And then you argue EtH won things in Dutch league and that counts. So for one manager other league counts but for Conte it doesn't.
Again, why did you ask "name one manager who went from midtable to top 4 club and had success", if you wanted PL specific then you should have asked for PL specific, which is again a dumb conversation as PL is a dumb league when it comes to promoting or creating great coaches.
Also since other leagues don't count, how should top 4-6 clubs hire managers? Hire only ex-spurs managers?
I mean, it completely depends on where a club is at the time. The argument is incredibly difficult because a managers success at a club relies on so many different facets aligning. It's why a 'club was too big for him' argument is overall pretty challenging to prove.
I think Potter drew a very short straw with the Chelsea job and most managers would have found the job tough.
The same way plenty of managers are able to acquire knowledge without having a great playing career.
So?
Maybe Conte replica without Football career would have been a Mafia Don, who knows or cares.
Conte’s jump was bigger than Potter’s and he surely had the culture already BUT he also brought his own intangibles as a person, which clearly Potter did not show at Chelsea.
EDIT: one can argue Potter has such intangibles as well but failed because he had not the culture… so he needs to learn that the hard way… fail then try again, try better
EDIT 2: that culture essentially being knowing how to win, knowing to manage expectations and knowing what it takes to win…… Conte did not do a miracle at Juve, Ranieri did a miracle at Leicester with his own dilly ding dilly dong thing to deflect any pressure and cruise to the most unexpected league win ever!
EDIT: one can argue Potter has such intangibles as well but failed because he had not the culture… so he needs to learn that the hard way… fail then try again, try better
EDIT 2: that culture essentially being knowing how to win, knowing to manage expectations and knowing what it takes to win…… Conte did not do a miracle at Juve, Ranieri did a miracle at Leicester with his own dilly ding dilly dong thing to deflect any pressure and cruise to the most unexpected league win ever!
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Feel for him, it was a terrible move.
I'm not sure why you find the idea of institutional knowledge so controversial.
If I was randomly made the boss at my current job, I don't know that I would do well, but I would certainly do better than if I was randomly made the boss at an equivalent institution where I've never set foot in my life.
I don't think this argument makes sense with Chelsea. Roman Chelsea vs Boehly Chelsea is v different.
That's not proper example. You should have said you left the job, worked in 3-4 different organisations, in different roles and capacity and then after 5-10 years you got a call from your first organisation.
Will you do better job? Who knows as everything changed from the team you worked with in these 5-10 years, made lot of losses and very close to shut down.
Conte's stint as a player at Juventus obviously helped him as there was a "coming back home" feel, not enough to say "how you cant compare Potter with Conte because he was ex player" . It's barely a difference maker or worth pointing out.
Conte was successful because of what he brings as a coach, something he replicated at almost every club he was at, whether he was ex player or not.
It seems that people still struggle with this simple idea. Managers aren't necessarily able to manage in all type of circumstances, some managers are meant to coach top players, some are meant to coach mid and bottom table teams others are meant to only coach youth players. And these managers are often not interchangeable.
Someone like Potter could easily go back to a midtable club and be excellent but never actually be a good fit for a top club. Think about Emery, Gasperini, Allardyce, Zeman and many others those are good coaches in context that suit their skills and it's not a given that the likes of Guardiola or Zidane could emulate their jobs in similar conditions.
Someone like Potter could easily go back to a midtable club and be excellent but never actually be a good fit for a top club. Think about Emery, Gasperini, Allardyce, Zeman and many others those are good coaches in context that suit their skills and it's not a given that the likes of Guardiola or Zidane could emulate their jobs in similar conditions.
It’s going to take a Moyes amount of time to rehabilitate his career and reputation. A year ago he could have walked straight into the Leicester job. Probably not now. Needs to drop down to the Championship out of the spotlight.
I asked ChatGPT who the next Chelsea manager will be. It said Graham Potter at 1/4. 
If the rumoured pay out amount is true I'd never work again. Just go do pundit work or something.
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I fully agree with this, the last pages here have become really weird.
I don't really think so. Potter has proven that he can work well in stable environments. He couldn't do it under a board that created a huge mess instead of building a sensible squad, but any board that thinks that they are working less chaotic than Boely will probably still value him quite similar to how they did while he was at Brighton.
Just out of curiosity, a question for the Englishmen on the forum. As things stand, with his reputation taking a hit after his first shot at the highest level and with rumours coming from the Chelsea dressing room that players were baffled by his decisions more often than not, would you take him as England manager?
Worked for Neville?I think Potter will have lot of offers. I hope he moves to Leicester.
50m? its not. his agreed payoff is unrelated to his contract
What's the rumoured pay out? All I've seen is that he's not getting his contract paid.
I hope successful Brighton managers joining Chelsea doesn't become a Thing that People Expect to Happen. Smaller clubs should be allowed to develop and progress without fear of having their staff lured away to prop up underperforming giants. I say 'Brighton/Chelsea' but this applies across the board. Surely the disastrous Super League plans have told us that there are far too many entitled Big Clubs out there and that this needs to stop.
Yeah there's not been any reports apart from Ornstein and Law saying he'll get a severance pay that has feck all to do with the contract length. If I had to guess I would think there's a clause that guarantees him roughly a years salary upon contract termination.
Either way it's an expensive mis-hire when taking into account the compensation package paid to Brighton to land Potter in the first place but if/when the change had become necessary I'm glad it was done now and not after giving him another transfer window and full pre-season. At least whoever comes in now will have a better foundation to succeed next season, as opposed to pressing the panic button in October and having to bring in yet another manager mid-season to a team that's still struggling.
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Between £40-50 mill is what I have seen due to contract that was signed, term of deal left plus some other contributing factors.
But fair enough, genuinely didn't think it could be that high. Would definitely never work again if it was!
He has all the 'upsides' of Southgate (with the exception of the England playing career, which is kind of double edged anyway, since it more or less equates to 'respectable failure') in terms of 'EQ', working within the system etc - but he's also better both as a coach and tactically (notwithstanding the efforts of a bloated, incoherent and apparently -if reports are to be believed - inordinately entitled Chelsea squad). I think we win the EC final Italy game, just about, and Potter also puts on Rashford earlier than Southgate did against France, which maybe at that point tilts it back into extra time and a coin toss. He would have also tried to deal with Griezmann's influence a bit more proactively...
Joke club.
No I'm saying he took this job to get the experience of managing a club with such expectations which was the right thing to do as opposed to saying no to the offer because he didnt have prior experience of managing a club of such expectations, which is what I quoted from your previous post.