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VAR - Love or Hate?

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Mb194dc said:
VAR in the PL been laughably awful...

So wouldn't be a surprise.

If they can competently copy the other leagues very easy to fix.

Probably a big if :lol:...

Riley going to go, surely?
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I'd be surprised if there was that degree of accountability.
 
The hilarious thing about all this is that this is all just thanks to the sheer arrogance of the Premier League thinking that they will magically find the best way to do VAR.

They just couldn't bare to follow what everyone else is doing and just had to be different.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
The hilarious thing about all this is that this is all just thanks to the sheer arrogance of the Premier League thinking that they will magically find the best way to do VAR.

They just couldn't bare to follow what everyone else is doing and just had to be different.
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It isn't even that they tried to do something different and innovative. Both the high threshold and the idea of not using sideline monitors were tried in other leagues before being abandoned when they didn't work. Yet the PL were either unaware of this or thought they could magically make it work where others failed.
 
sullydnl said:
It isn't even that they tried to do something different and innovative. Both the high threshold and the idea of not using sideline monitors were tried in other leagues before being abandoned when they didn't work. Yet the PL were either unaware of this or thought they could magically make it work where others failed.
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And either way, it boils down to either sheer ineptitude or blind arrogance... or both.

Probably both
 
arthurka said:
If you guys think that scenarios like over the weekend won't happen with refs checking the monitors think again.

The game Mainz 05 v 1 FC Köln had one of the worst VAR decision in the history of the technology.

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It's the ref who made the decision

VAR is meant to help the ref, not to be some infallible eye of god that corrects everything. In its current iteration, subjective calls must be made by the ref in charge of the game. So if the ref is an hilariously incompetent buffoon, all VAR does is highlight the fact that the ref is an incompetent buffoon

That the PL actually decided to have the VAR correct subjective calls is just another hilarious overcorrection, which they now unsurprisingly want to scrap
 
I'd keep it for offside and that is it. If goal is scored, just review if it was offside or not. Fouls, hand balls etc... No. Not every foul and not every handball should be a penalty.
 
So from the Everton v Spurs game they just confirmed that EVEN THOUGH they flashed no penalty no the big screen after a VAR check they can still change their minds if they see a different angle of it.

Farcical
 
The Premier league implementation is a farce, how did they manage to mess it up while it works just fine in other leagues is just unbelievable. Not only that it takes fecking ages to make a decision, more time than not they make a wrong one.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
They are just fecking useless here. 5 minutes for a 5 second decision.
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And they still got it wrong!

This is stupid. The whole point of VAR is to get the right decision and eliminate mistakes, why take five minutes to watch a replay then still arrive at the wrong decision? They’d get more decisions correct if they just let the refs guess like they used to.

I literally can’t wrap my brain around this. How the feck can they get something so simple, so wrong?
 
I don't understand how getting a ref to check a pitch side monitor would make any difference. It's the same group of refs who are sitting in the van making decisions, not like the ref on the pitch is going to be magically better.

VAR has just exposed how bad the standard of refereeing is; some of them can't even get it right with the benefit of replays.
 
dove said:
The Premier league implementation is a farce, how did they manage to mess it up while it works just fine in other leagues is just unbelievable. Not only that it takes fecking ages to make a decision, more time than not they make a wrong one.
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It isn’t working well in other leagues. There are a plethora of complaints from other leagues.
 
Wumminator said:
It isn’t working well in other leagues. There are a plethora of complaints from other leagues.
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I watch quite a lof of La Liga, I go to some La Liga games and while it's not perfect, it's far from the shitshow we see in PL.
 
Again just proving VAR is shite because lots of referees in the VAR booth would give that handball from Ali

It’s inconsistent & always will be unless you have the same ref doing VAR
 
The delays are ridiculous. You can see after five seconds if it was handball or not. What benefit was there to watching the same replay over and over?
 
Rafaeldagold said:
Again just proving VAR is shite because lots of referees in the VAR booth would give that handball from Ali

It’s inconsistent & always will be unless you have the same ref doing VAR
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Premier League VAR is just WWE... style scripting in action.

Only reasonable explanation.

Oh look the same team benefits again...
 
The red card for Son? Awful injury but that was a booking at worst.
 
It isn't VAR, it's the officiating.

It's like someone sending an email to the wrong person and then blaming gmail.

It is not VAR. It is the officiating.
 
GDaly95 said:
It isn't VAR, it's the officiating.

It's like someone sending an email to the wrong person and then blaming gmail.

It is not VAR. It is the officiating.
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That’s what VAR is. It’s not a sentient being that is being misused by humans. It’s always going to be a group of blokes looking at a tv screen.
 
Baxter said:
The red card for Son? Awful injury but that was a booking at worst.
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This was probably the most ridiculous call so far, it was Aurier who did the damage but for some reason Son yellow turns into Red for an injury he didn’t cause.
 
Atkinson getting damned by all and sundry. Good. I'm glad people (Linekar, Kamara to name an illustrious few) are calling it out for what it is: blatant manipulation with intent to cheat. Not a mistake or ineptitude.

 
If the Keane on Connolly incident from last week are a penalty then so are the Mina on Son and Sanchez on Richarlison incidents. Each were cases of contacts that have been overexaggerated by players. Demonstration of no consistency in officiating.

The handball incident - if it isn't a handball and it is a foul by Mina, why no free-kick? Since there was no free-kick then it has to be a fecking hand ball as having your hand above your head is not natural and there was no reason for him to have it there. It's handball. Stupid.
 
Dumbstar said:
Atkinson getting damned by all and sundry. Good. I'm glad people (Linekar, Kamara to name an illustrious few) are calling it out for what it is: blatant manipulation with intent to cheat. Not a mistake or ineptitude.

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Except what Kamara says in that piece is utter, utter horseshit. Both Kamara and Andy Gray (who made a similar point) not only don't know how VAR works, they don't seem to know how basic perspective works either. Anyone who says "the line isn't straight" is an idiot. It shouldn't look straight. He might as well have complained that the VAR offside line isn't parallel to the goal line.
 
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kps88 said:
I don't understand how getting a ref to check a pitch side monitor would make any difference. It's the same group of refs who are sitting in the van making decisions, not like the ref on the pitch is going to be magically better.

VAR has just exposed how bad the standard of refereeing is; some of them can't even get it right with the benefit of replays.
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It does two things.
It keeps the ref's authority as being the final decision maker, and it provides a visual that there is an actual check.

At the moment, you just get these random delays, and you don't actually really know what the heck is going on. Some gnomes in a room are making the final call, which is a joke.

Not having the screen on the side of the pitch was presumably to make it a quicker decision, but we're still having these delays.

How they didn't give a pen v Alli today, who knows!
 
paulscholes18 said:
Took him out, didn’t play the ball & endangering an opponent. It’s a red
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Yes, I keep seeing people whinging it was a yellow, but like you say, he steamed in from behind, and that was meant to be a red card in that directive a few years ago.
 
VAR is fine. The problem is it's our referees using it and it's exposed how incompetent they are. You can no longer hide behind a mistake when you have a chance to correct it and choose not to.

First they wanted to use it to prove they get everything right, now they've realised they can't do that they're using it to try interpret games by their own unique standards instead of just to the rules.

Said it at the start of the season, but other countries use VAR to correct mistakes. We are using it to change mistakes into things the officials are literally getting wrong on purpose. If it's not incompetence the only other explanation is that at least some of them are not being objective.

We've had insights into how our referees officiate games before from the likes of Clattenberg, and that's where the problem lies. Not with the technology. The technology is taking away their ability to make themselves a part of the theatre and they don't like it.
 
Sandikan said:
Yes, I keep seeing people whinging it was a yellow, but like you say, he steamed in from behind, and that was meant to be a red card in that directive a few years ago.
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It was more than a few years ago. I remember it being an issue back in the 2000s.

He's obviously not gone in to break his leg but it's a pretty shitty tackle and even before I realised what had happened I was thinking it could be red just because of how cynical and pointless it was.

I feel sorry for Son and wouldn't be too harsh on him individually, but Spurs tread the line way too fine with this sort of thing far too often. Even in pre season against us there were multiple challenges like that for no reason. They serve no purpose other than to pick fights and rough people up, and now someone's been seriously injured.

Weve seen multiple worse tackles from their players in recent years. Games where their discipline has gone completely. It's about time it was stamped out. You can kick people and wind them up without flying in with your studs or sending people flying through the air.
 
kps88 said:
I don't understand how getting a ref to check a pitch side monitor would make any difference. It's the same group of refs who are sitting in the van making decisions, not like the ref on the pitch is going to be magically better.

VAR has just exposed how bad the standard of refereeing is; some of them can't even get it right with the benefit of replays.
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1) It would be a clearer system that would get more buy-in from fans. Instead of spending a few minutes watching the ref and players mill around before VAR makes a decision based off something the ref told them that we never even hear, we would see the referee take control by watching the incident and making a call based on what he himself sees. It would be clear to everyone both in the stadium and at home who is responsible for the decision made, good or bad.

2) The main issue with VAR is the subjective decisions. In order to address this with VAR you have to accept that, while some calls are definitely right and others are definitely wrong, others are very much a matter of opinion and interpretation. The problem is that this potentially leads to one subjective opinion overruling another subjective opinion, where both are potentially valid. At which point the fans of the team that loses out could complain that the original opinion was actually no less valid than the correction. Whereas if the referee views the incident and corrects his own initial interpretation, the outcome gains more validity. The second interpretation has been deemed to be more correct even by the person who made the initial interpretation.

Which really gets to the heart of what VAR's function on tight subjective calls should be. Rather than try to come up with a definitive "right" answer (which doesn't exist), it should instead give the ref the opportunity to make the best possible subjective calls in line with how he is refereeing the game.
 
VAR has massively highlighted that there's far too many grey areas in football, which means it has always been inherently unfair.
 
VeevaVee said:
VAR has massively highlighted that there's far too many grey areas in football, which means it has always been inherently unfair.
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Which VAR will never solve because it’s not the same ref looking at VAR in every game so you’ll always get inconsistencies.

It’s such a pointless addition to the game which creates more problems than it solves
 
I say bin it off, except for offsides. There's far too many variables for use on anything else.
 
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