Don't think either is a pen in the Utd game, especially the first one, crazy descison.
Zaha descison is a good descison by VAR. Atkinson
. Oh dear.
Get rid of VAR NOW! We want our game back! (...or not, some are happy)
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Don't think either is a pen in the Utd game, especially the first one, crazy descison.
Zaha descison is a good descison by VAR. Atkinson
. Oh dear.
In the video, I saw his arm as the only body part offside. Happy to see another angle.
Don't think either is a pen in the Utd game, especially the first one, crazy descison.
Zaha descison is a good descison by VAR. Atkinson
Oh dear.
The 2nd was technically 100% a penalty. Soft for sure, but the defender shouldn't raise his arms then turn his back.
Neither a penalty maybe (2nd was I think) , both should be retaken definitely.
I've said it before but only English officials could make such a farce of great technology.
I've said it before but only English officials could make such a farce of great technology.
Don't think either is a pen in the Utd game, especially the first one, crazy descison.
Zaha descison is a good descison by VAR. Atkinson
Oh dear.
The second is without doubt a pen these days. You can't wave your hands in the air like that.
The first one, their defender brought the guy down and didn't touch the ball. I thought it looked a pen from the off, but didn't expect it to be given as he leaned in a bit.
A big problem is that the "clear and obvious error" thing is based on what the referee tells VAR he saw, which we never hear. So if the referee says "I saw no contact" it's more likely to be deemed an error than if he says "there was some contact but nowhere near enough for a penalty". So you could have the same incident being treated entirely differently.
Which is why the ref should either look at it himself or VAR should make the decision without taking any heed of the ref imo.
Don't think either is a pen in the Utd game, especially the first one, crazy descison.
Zaha descison is a good descison by VAR. Atkinson
Oh dear.
The second one was a textbook correct call. It's a definite penalty.
It’s like all or nothing. It’s clearly not fair.
And you mention things change through the season anyway but nothing this drastic is it?
The latter should be the case in my opinion. One: It would save a lot of time. Two: VAR should in any case only be enforced when it's so clear that the on-field referee couldn't possibly have come to any other conclusion, making his opinion unnecessary.
The most obvious one I remember was pulling at corners being strictly punished at the start of one season a few years ago before seemingly being completely forgotten about after a couple of months.
What's annoying about this is that it should have been easy to predict from the start. They have other leagues and competitions to look at for best practice, so they weren't coming up with this from scratch. It's not like they began by being slightly too strict either, no penalties given in 90 games is very wrong.
I know, it’s madness.
It’s also be nice if this kind of stuff was released in an article or something. After all, football is for the fans and we’re just totally in the blind to everything
This thing is complete and utter shite. It's ruining football.
If the VAR is going to call these small touches, why not the push on Chambers just a couple of seconds before? They can go suck one, and that idiot Atkinson doesn't even go to the monitor, he spent 90 minutes ignoring touches like those and in the most important decision of the match he calls it without even seeing it. fecking joke.
The decision for the James foul was utterly laughable, I don't blame the tech, you have to blame the idiots making the decisions.
The 2nd one was correct and a good use of VAR though.
The 2nd one was correct and a good use of VAR though.
The worst thing about the VAR is Tim Krul's positioning. Look at Krul especially at Rashfords penalty...he is probably 50-60 cms off the line when Rashford shoots.
What is the point of VAR if they don't spot stuff like that ?
What is the point of VAR if they don't spot stuff like that ?
They don’t look at that.
Just another thing that they choose to ignore in the interest of fairness
Only the ref can call that.
Actually, they're supposed to look at that. They got told off by IFAB for not doing so earlier in the season.
https://www.euronews.com/2019/08/22/ifab-tell-premier-league-to-get-in-line-on-var-usage
Oh it gets betterActually, they're supposed to look at that. They got told of by IFAB for not doing so earlier in the season.
https://www.euronews.com/2019/08/22/ifab-tell-premier-league-to-get-in-line-on-var-usage
I just can’t get my head around how unfair and choosy var appears to be yet the major pro argument I always see is to make the game fair and for the right result to prevail.
I’m struggling to adapt to liking it. Goal line tech is bang on, love it. This sometimes is sometimes not way of reffing using a replay ‘technology’ is really not doing it for me
Can see them here (UK anyway):
First one agree
Second one he's jumping and hand is only slightly up, he's pulling his hands towards his body as ball hits, hand is not very high. Maybe a pen but I think harsh.
Can't comment on the utd decisions as have not seen them yet but the chambers one in the Arsenal game is the most shocking decision I have seen so far, if anything It looked a foul on chambers
Be interesting if they show anything on match of the day that hasnt been seen yet
Be interesting if they show anything on match of the day that hasnt been seen yet
UK official YouTube highlights:
Its at the end, as ridiculous as 1st pen in Utd game...
Referees got to start using the monitors, can't let VAR make these crazy descisons...
they have a licence to overturn suddenly - having done 9 games just watching and sitting on their hands
what a clownfest they are, seriously
what a clownfest they are, seriously
That Arsenal disallowed goal decision is incredible...hilarious... But incredible.
At this point you have to wonder if they're making VAR intentionally bad on purpose.
At this point you have to wonder if they're making VAR intentionally bad on purpose.
I think the Arsenal decision might be the worst one I've seen, in that I can't even tell what Chambers is supposed to have done let alone whether he did it.
That Arsenal one is legitimately one of the weirdest referee decisions I’ve ever seen. Now if it was in the moment it’s bad, but when there had the benefit of being able to view it many times? It’s baffling.
VAR was always going to be shit for a season or two. Was the same in cricket and rugby too. It will have massively improved the game in a couple of years though once the protocols have been worked out and humans have adjusted.
It’s an easy pen nowadays. His hand is in an unnatural position and making his body bigger. You can’t throw yourself in front of the ball with arms flailing.
They literally checked it before Utd took the follow up corner. Refs had a mare today.
It should never have been this shit though. The PL were one of the last to adopt VAR and were in a position to learn lessons from how it was implemented in other leagues. They didn't and for that reason it has been a shit-show on subjective decisions so far.
It’s been pointed out to me since I made that post that it is supposed to be checked.
So why didn’t they do anything about it? I give up with var.
I’m glad I’m old enough to almost be bored by it all anyway. Would have hated this to have come out 20 years ago. They fecking with football because of dollar bills.
Also, it’s already been in use a season or two.
I think that's a tricky one tbf. Theyve bottled it for fear of missing something imo.
Chambers most looks like he might do someting
Guessing really
Chambers most looks like he might do someting
Guessing really
PL VAR everybody.
Goal line tech is different because there is one clearcut outcome either way. With VAR it's still a human making the decision.Oh it gets better
I just can’t get my head around how unfair and choosy var appears to be yet the major pro argument I always see is to make the game fair and for the right result to prevail.
I’m struggling to adapt to liking it. Goal line tech is bang on, love it. This sometimes is sometimes not way of reffing using a replay ‘technology’ is really not doing it for me
Well yeah, that’s what I was getting at
If you watch it in replay - Chambers sticks his foot out. It's a clear penalty. When Zaha starts to move - Chambers have his feet together, and then he sticks his foot out.
Oh it gets better
I just can’t get my head around how unfair and choosy var appears to be yet the major pro argument I always see is to make the game fair and for the right result to prevail.
I’m struggling to adapt to liking it. Goal line tech is bang on, love it. This sometimes is sometimes not way of reffing using a replay ‘technology’ is really not doing it for me
It does take the joy out of everything - because you don't dare to celebrate. 2 minutes later the goal is disallowed.
Think he/she was on about the goal at the end of the match, var for some reason ruled it out even though if anyone was fouled it was chambers
Cheers, i saw it as I as streaming the game but you know how clear streams can be, I honestly think its a lot worse than the James pen, If anything it was chambers that was fouled, awful decision
Saw var was used badly in your game as well
Sorry I should have been clearer, I meant the Arsenal goal that was disallowed for a foul by Chambers. Though having seen a different angle I now know what it was for, though it was hardly clear cut.
I think if its a blindly obvious one the VAR can say that to the ref and go from there (for example our second penalty, there is no question it's a pen). In instances where it isn't very very clear, the Ref should watch it and decide. James pen is not a pen, and could never have been viewed as "yep, nailed on mate", so the Ref should have looked himself and decided.
What pisses me off is the "clear and obvious error" nonsense. A challenge can both be a foul and not a foul with the current system. The ref sees it but from his angle thinks its fine, the VAR can see that it's clearly a foul, but because they can also see why the ref hasn't given it, they don't overule. Its a foul or it isn't. It can't be both.
Worst thing is they are literally on the floor above me so I could go ask WTF they think they are doing.