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German Football 2024/25
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) review both the Everton and Bodø/Glimt victories at Old Trafford. Listen to the guys discuss 2 wins and 7 goals in the last week, analyse of the Amorim formation, focus on Amad and how he is playing, and also take a look at Hojlund, Rashford & Zirkzee – who starts v Arsenal?
Aaaand he almost cost us the win in extra timeWouldn't have been the first points this season either. He'll always be a club legend but itnfeels as if he's back to the form he was at before Alonso arrived and that would be a real issue. It' about time Kovar steps up but if he don't, we might need to sign a new keeper.
Lost us another two points tonight
Felt like both of those could’ve been saved. Especially the second one. First one I need to see a replay to be sure.
Teams have figured you out a bit.
Grimaldo and Frimpong aren't as influential this season.
I think you did very well to keep the squad together. But some better recruitment than the likes of Terrier was needed.
You still score lots of goals. But are struggling to keep clean sheets.
I'm not sure whether it is tactical stuff or just a bad run of form but yeah, we definitely haven't been as good as last season. Especially the wing backs.
Wanner v Bischoff today, looking forward to how they do.
Wolfsburg - Dortmund has to be the worst match I've seen in a long time and that includes lower league matches... I like seeing Wolfsburg being terrible but can Dortmund please get rid of Sahin and the other jokers and become a proper football team again?
Wolfsburg score
The defending from Schlotterbeck on the goal, so bad. The ball is bouncing two yards in front of him and he makes no attempt to try and clear it or put pressure on Wind, then goes on and makes such a lame attempt to block the shot as well
I want them to sign ETH and him to sell 80% of their players.
(I actually think that would improve them a lot.)It doesn't matter who they sell (could be everybody, maybe except Guirassy and Kobel), but more who they signI want them to sign ETH and him to sell 80% of their players.
Somehow I believe EtH would be exactly the kind of semi-stupid idea Dortmund really could have.
Dortmund's squad development is absolutely brutal.It doesn't matter who they sell (could be everybody, maybe except Guirassy and Kobel), but more who they sign
Somehow I believe EtH would be exactly the kind of semi-stupid idea Dortmund really could have.
In 4(?) years they went from Haaland, Bellingham, Sancho, Reus, Hummels, Hakimi, Guerreiro to Guirassy, Gittens, Malen, Schlotterbeck, Brandt, Nmecha, Bensebaini... And I actually rate Guirassy and Schlotterbeck.
Exactly... even if all goes well (which so far it doesn't) I really see them battling for 4th at best in the league.
Malen to be kicked out to go to United then. As a EtH feck you. (I don't actually think Malen is bad, but he is not the level we need obv).I want them to sign ETH and him to sell 80% of their players.
i think Dortmund fans would welcome ETH with open arms at this stage
Thats fecking assault from Kohr on Musiala. Kane vs their keeper Zentner wasn't much better, but this here looked fully intentional.
Absolutely! I was actually shocked when lots of experts said Dortmunds transfer window has been excellent. They got praise from everybody.
Never forget: "Everybody" means pundits which means ex-footballers who are too stupid to get a real job in football
To be honest, I think the main cause for this are their terrible choices in terms of coaches. They have many very talented players but since the team hasn't been looking good for a few years now, it is very difficult for them to shine and develop consistency. IMO, they need to get rid of Watzke whose management decisions are becoming more and more nepotistic. And they should trust their scouting more when it comes to signing players for huge fees but that goes much farther back than just four year. How anyone at the club could have come to the conclusion that it is a good idea to sign Emre Can for €30M, Haller for €31M or handing out a €8M p. a. contract to Meunier is completely beyond me. Sometimes the only thing they seem to look at is the CV, it seems.
Meanwhile, I have to say Bayern has tackled their squad issues pretty well. You guys have much more depth than last season in midfield and defense and with Olise joining the squad, the attack is amazing in quality and quantity. The CBs are pretty weak, IMO, but that is probably something you need to sit out. From the league's perspective, I hope the unfavorable contract situations will occupy you in the next few seasons but if not, I don't really see any team maintaining punching range to you.
A surprisingly good performance from Dortmund against Leipzig, deserved the win and by more than 2-1. Worst thing about their game was their finishing, Gulasci did great but some of them really should've been finished off as well. Nearly threw it away by the end as well, great tackle from Schloterbeck.
It's difficult to blame them for Haller, he was good in the BL and looked like he returned to form at Ajax. Could never had anticipated his cancer diagnosis and I can imagine it's really tought to go back to physical fitness after suffering from that. Other things I agree.
It's difficult to blame them for Haller, he was good in the BL and looked like he returned to form at Ajax. Could never had anticipated his cancer diagnosis and I can imagine it's really tought to go back to physical fitness after suffering from that. Other things I agree.
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Can't find the 'German football is turd' thread but it truly is turd this season. Bayern are the only UCL club with the squad capable of competing with the higher fixtures and they're lead by a novice at this level.
It's going to be a horrible season in the UCL for the clubs. Leverkusen look absolutely gassed already.
It's going to be a horrible season in the UCL for the clubs. Leverkusen look absolutely gassed already.
Leverkusen are only reverting to the mean. All of their late goals last season were unsustainable. Bellingham is having the same issue.
Bayern is still one of the favourites in the CL, Dortmund is trash, Stuttgart inexperienced, Leverkusen back to their normal level and Leipzig are normally pretty good (I didn't watch them against Celtic, so no idea what happened there).
But yes, overall it currently feels like a rather weak period for the league.
Yea last year they were above but this year they are below the mean (I know you responded @Zehner but sorry I didn't reply). That being said, I think it's not than just a statistical consequences, I seem much more sloppy in they general play as well this season and I think a lot of it is down to fatigue from going to the end of all competitions last season and the Euros + Copa preventing their players from getting rest.
I don't think Bayern are favourites but that's only because of a lack of trust in Kompany, so many people would disagree to that.
To be honest, I watch almost no games but Bayern's anymore, so I cannot comment on that.
And regarding Bayern's CL chances: I called them "one of" the favourites. I think they are 4th or 5th with the bookies. But I am with you, Kompany has to figure out the defensive setup. All the injuries (Ito, Boey, Stanisic, Ito again...
) certainly don't help.IMO the bolded part is key. Whatever the reasons are (exhaustion, reverting back to their actual level, ...) we're much worse than last season. Liverpool was the perfect summary of this season up until now. A brillant first half in which we looked like last season and then a terrible second half in which we were too far away from the opponents, messed up easy touches, half-!assed clearances, etc.
Dortmund losing another after a first half red for captain Can('t).
Bayern with another dreary display. Not much left of our early season attacking variability and firepower.
Bayern with another dreary display. Not much left of our early season attacking variability and firepower.
Bochum with a last minute equaliser. Leverkausens season seems very disappointing so far. Can't see anyone other than Bayern for the title this season.
I am not worried. We stopped conceding goals, so that‘s a plus!
We also all but stopped scoring them.
Leverkusen were always going to drop off a fair bit unless people think going over 50 games unbeaten is completely normal. So many late goals also they scored last season to keep the momentum going and those have dried up. Dosen't mean they're rubbish though or Xabi Alonso is a "fraud."
Bayern just going back to winning the Bundesliga by 10 points after the dodgy last couple of years but can't see them doing much in the CL.
As has been said above Dortmund have massively dropped in terms of quality from where they were in 2020-22 period so that's hurt the Bundesliga's marketability in terms of competitiveness.
BREAKING: Joao Palhinha's year could be over early after the Bayern Munich midfielder was injured on Portugal duty.
Why are you shouting?
This Dortmund model was never going to work in the long run. Signing players for 2/3 years. They have not reinvested all the money from transfers back into the team and that is now showing.
from CL finalists to a very average team now.
Love it,.
from CL finalists to a very average team now.
Love it,.
But they have reinvested most of the money. It's just that they changed their model, invested less in young talents and tried to buy more reliable players to actually win stuff again. They were just one Bellingham injury away from winning the league (no way they would have bottled the final match if he had played at the end of 2022/23 season) and being successful with their model, but by now they essentially panicked and made lots of wrong choices
Love to see it.
But they have reinvested most of the money. It's just that they changed their model, invested less in young talents and tried to buy more reliable players to actually win stuff again. They were just one Bellingham injury away from winning the league (no way they would have bottled the final match if he had played at the end of 2022/23 season) and being successful with their model, but by now they essentially panicked and made lots of wrong choices
Love to see it.
I understand that but also Bayern were imploding that season changed manager and still won the league?
They have made some poor signings in the last few years and the way its going they are also struggling to attract the young talent. Players use Dortmund as a stepping stone and unless you are now one of the very best, clubs are not willing to spend the same amount to get players.
Dortmund do charge top dollar and and alot of times those have not worked out for the buying clubs.
Exactly. Just shows how much Dortmund bottled it.
I'm really not sure that's true. They have been quite vocal about signing less talents and more established players on purpose. Could be some kind of cope because they really are not that attractive anymore, but to me it feels like genuine stupidity and not even trying anymore.
And that's exactly what Dortmund don't want to be anymore. But it's just so stupid. They won't beat Bayern to the best established players, so their current approach means they will sign players who settle in their career as being not at the biggest clubs and don't have the ambition to be in such a team.
Actually I feel that recently Frankfurt is the most like the "new Dortmund" in the Bundesliga - they have a competent (relatively) young leadership, they now have the youngest squad in the league, sit in third place, and quite openly communicate "we want to grow as a club, but if a player grows faster and outgrows us, we are ready to sell him for appropriate money and bring in new talent". Put them besides teams like Leipzig or Leverkusen who are also clearly ambitious clubs and Dortmund really has got a problem.
And a lot of times it did. Their last two really big transfers were Bellingham and Haaland, both won the CL with their new club immediately in their first season. The only club that really has a truly bad history with signing players from Dortmund in the last decade is actually United
They have. They are simply shit at buying.
2024/2025: expenditure 80, income 33.6
2023/2024: expenditure 68.55, income 123.35
2022/2023: expenditure 104.6, income 82
2021/2022: expenditure 45, income 109.5
2020/2021: expenditure 55.15, income 5.5
2019/2020: expenditure 148.5, income 132.25
That is a net spent of basically zero over the last five years and 15.6 over the last six.
Dembele with his fitness issues was risky and didn't work well, that's true. Füllkrug also had a bad start due to injuries I think? But haven't folllowed his situation in detail. Pulisic is a funny case indeed - he didn't play so well as expected when looking at the transfer fee, but after all he was basically bought from Dortmund's bench, considering that he was quite decent for Chelsea.
But anyway, I won't argue against that a bunch of their transfers failed to meet expectations elsewhere. The only point is, others did well (let me add Akanji, Knauff or Isak as examples) so in total there is a reasonable success rate for Dortmund's outgoing transfers. There is no special risk when buying from them, compared to other clubs. Again, except you are Manchester United. Than for some reason you get a dud from them, no matter how well they played before.