Geoffrey Kondogbia

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Sam said:
I doubt we even noticed him today.
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I'm inclined to agree with this. Him or Luiz Gustavo would be perfect and both are available yet I don't believe either will be on our radar.
 
If his release clause is as low as £8-10m, then I dont think its a risk at all buying him. He is still young and can develop into a very good player. If he doesnt work out, then sell him and if we dont recoup most of the money, then its not a big deal because he wouldnt have cost us a lot in the first place.
 
Good player but nothing to get excited about. Seen plenty like him in the past.
 
A very good performance by him tonight. Can keep the ball under pressure, can pass and is very good and strong defensively. Would cost only around 10m and is only 20 years old, which means that it is perfect for us. But he's a midfielder so no chance that we are interested on him.
 
I wouldn't judge him solely on tonight. The top clubs in Europe have been linked with him and any journalists I've seen writing about him seems to rate him very highly. Has anyone here actually seen him play a fair few games? Would be interesting to get a proper opinion on him, especially as I just saw us linked with him in The Guardian (though that's probably bullshit).
 
sullydnl said:
I wouldn't judge him solely on tonight. The top clubs in Europe have been linked with him and any journalists I've seen writing about him seems to rate him very highly. Has anyone here actually seen him play a fair few games? Would be interesting to get a proper opinion on him, especially as I just saw us linked with him in The Guardian (though that's probably bullshit).
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FCBarca who watches a lot of La Liga says that we should run (not walk) to get him and that he's a brilliant player. He looked very good in the rare occasions I have seen him. Hopefully we are really linked with him and tonight's performance had a similar effect to that of Ronaldo's performance against us a decade ago.
 
Revan said:
FCBarca who watches a lot of La Liga says that we should run (not walk) to get him and that he's a brilliant player. He looked very good in the rare occasions I have seen him. Hopefully we are really linked with him and tonight's performance had a similar effect to that of Ronaldo's performance against us a decade ago.
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I know Graham Hunter rates him highly too. He said he was a born winner and that Kondogbia is who he'd sign if he was United.

Apparently available for £8.5m as well, probably less than half of what Fellaini would cost.
 
Think we need to start thinking of more alternative names for when we sign him to unshitify his current name and make his transformation into a star more realistic. We've already had JFK/Jeff K, but there are other avenues open at this point.

The 'Con Dog'
Jeff Con
Condo
Jeff, Brazilian style. Could pretend he's actually called Jefferson Alvaro De Santo Perreira or something.

etc...

feck me, we need to steer clear of this guy.
 
sullydnl said:
I know Graham Hunter rates him highly too. He said he was a born winner and that Kondogbia is who he'd sign if he was United.

Apparently available for £8.5m as well, probably less than half of what Fellaini would cost.
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Do we fans really hold out any hope this summer of a decent central midfielder signing if his name isn't Fellaini? It's all a fecking mess. As for the "midfield" against Sevilla, it was shambolic.
 
To be fair he has been linked with a few clubs (Juventus, Real, Arsenal, Chelsea, City and ourselves). I'm sure we're aware of him but prying him away from all those clubs would be fairly impressive. If he's as good as FCBarca and Hunter think the he'd probably be our best bet at this stage.
 
manusteve said:
Do we fans really hold out any hope this summer of a decent central midfielder signing if his name isn't Fellaini? It's all a fecking mess. As for the "midfield" against Sevilla, it was shambolic.
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I still have hope. Please don't kill my hope. :(
 
Was at the game tonight, thought he was the best player on the pitch and made everything look incredibly easy. My Dad and his mate (who didn't even know any of the Sevilla players) even picked him out at the end without me mentioning him.
 
I hope someone locked the Sevilla executives in the stadium until we sorted out a deal for him.
 
walsh said:
Was at the game tonight, thought he was the best player on the pitch and made everything look incredibly easy. My Dad and his mate (who didn't even know any of the Sevilla players) even picked him out at the end without me mentioning him.
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Yeah he's an impressive player, thought his teammates actually let him down on several occasions. Was a nuisance each time Barcelona played Sevilla last season. I was trying to figure out if Del Nido & his staff unearthed this gem by accident or had just succeeded in their scouting because he was key right from the start.

Del Nido is a shrewd negotiator and I suspect he will attempt to get every penny possible out of the Frenchman
 
Did people even watch the match?
He wasn't that impressive at all. Lost the possession twice in dangerous areas and was lucky both times that it was a foul. Looked overly arrogant on the ball. Talented but in terms of young players go, Adnan absolutely shat on him in maturity and gameplay.
 
KingEric7 said:
Think we need to start thinking of more alternative names for when we sign him to unshitify his current name and make his transformation into a star more realistic. We've already had JFK/Jeff K, but there are other avenues open at this point.

The 'Con Dog'
Jeff Con
Condo
Jeff, Brazilian style. Could pretend he's actually called Jefferson Alvaro De Santo Perreira or something.

etc...

feck me, we need to steer clear of this guy.
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The Kondor
 
I watched him in a few games for France in the U20s this summer. Wasn't the stand-out player, Pogba was, but he's a good player, decent on the ball - show-boated a bit last night but is very effective in his role. I'd rather we bought Gustavo but would still be happy if we went for Kondogbia.
 
I thought he was pretty ordinary last night, I've seen him play better - or maybe he just looks better on a big screen than a stream. I actually think he was overdoing things a couple of times because he may have seen it as an audition if not for us then for Arsenal or someone. I think he'd do well for us and at least I wouldn't have to listen to people moaning about him needing to bulk up

His release clause isn't 10m Euros, it's 20m. The 8m/10m chat is a completely different issue. He's half owned by one of Mendes' investment funds. If a bid comes in over that amount and the investors decide to sell, then either Sevilla have to sell him (and hand over half the proceeds) or they have to buy the other half of his contract plus the profit that would have accrued had he been sold - probably too much cash for them, given a bigger fish can still pick him up for 20m straight.

Sevilla want to keep him for at least another year. A lot of teams are interested in him. Real Madrid probably would have bought him if they hadn't gone for Illarramendi, or if they'd sold Khedira - they might still go for him and loan him back to Sevilla for a year.

Should we buy him? He's not a bad bet, even at more than 10m Euros, but he's still relatively inexperienced and if we're still obsessed with PL experience then of course he has none. Though that, in my opinion, really shouldn't matter - just because the odd Spanish/Liga player (Reyes) fails to make the transition doesn't mean it's anything to worry about.
 
Revan said:
FCBarca who watches a lot of La Liga says that we should run (not walk) to get him and that he's a brilliant player. He looked very good in the rare occasions I have seen him. Hopefully we are really linked with him and tonight's performance had a similar effect to that of Ronaldo's performance against us a decade ago.
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It seems the resident La Liga watchers seem to rate this guy.
 
Sounds like the release clause is meaningless as sevilla don't own the player. He would actually be very expensive as he is owned by a private equity group who will make sure they make their money.
 
We need someone more established and he doesn't look anything special like Oliver Torres. If we were to sign a young CM then he would be my pick, but we need someone experienced first.
 
You can tell he's a class act by the way he looks so comfortable on the ball. His ability to win possesion back and keep the ball moving along while also his pace tell you that he's going to be one of the best around. He doesn't seem to have goals in his locker but that may come with time....any fan who didnt notice his class last night just because he didnt beat 4 playrrs everytime he hsd the ball is not worth debating with
 
Bojan11 said:
We need someone more established and he doesn't look anything special like Oliver Torres. If we were to sign a young CM then he would be my pick, but we need someone experienced first.
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Don't trouble yourself with Oliver, we'll take care of him ;)
 
Bojan11 said:
We need someone more established and he doesn't look anything special like Oliver Torres. If we were to sign a young CM then he would be my pick, but we need someone experienced first.
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I think Barcelona already own half of the rights to his contract ownership and fully intend to bring him in to gradually replace iniesta in a couple of years....I'd say we've more chance of buying Messi....torres will be amazing though
 
sincher said:
Sounds like the release clause is meaningless as sevilla don't own the player. He would actually be very expensive as he is owned by a private equity group who will make sure they make their money.
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The 20m release clause is real, it's whether someone can spring him for significantly less than that, that's open to question - and of course what the signing on fee might be.
 
Manchester United's double midfielder swoop is going to be a big money pursuit despite reports
Manchester United were inevitably going to be linked with Luka Modric once the Cesc Fabregas saga came to a close. It's an obvious progression but The Guardian said yesterday it's a genuine one and David Moyes is 'considering a bid' for the former Tottenham midfielder. Modric moved to Real Madrid only last summer but with the acquisitions the Spanish club have made this transfer window he could find it even harder next season to impose himself. However, the new manager is Carlo Ancelotti who tried to sign Modric for Chelsea so is obviously a fan of the player.
Modric himself pushed hard to get a move to Real Madrid and probably wouldn't want to return to the Premier League this summer, it could be seen as admitting his move to La Liga had been a failure. In Spain this story is not being reportedly independently, all claims lead back to The Guardian, and the media in Spain aren't really that excited about this prospect. Both AS and Marca can only muster a couple of paragraphs or so each and half of that is taken up by the link of Kondogbia too.

There's been a lot of differing information surrounding the Sevilla youngster's buy-out clause, with some claims stating it is just £8.5m, but that probably needs looking into further. The payment to Sevilla may only be that but Kondogbia is largely third party owned and it's a can of worms just waiting to be opened. If Manchester United were genuinely interested then fans would have hoped the club would have looked into the potentially very complicated deal well before the weekend of the Community Shield.

Back in June our own Tom Coast picked up news from France about Kondogbia's ownership:
'According to the latest edition of Le 10 Sport, Geoffrey Kondogbia, although still under contract with Sevilla until 2017, is now fully owned by a private fund named Doyen Sports. The company, as described on its website, is “a private fund dedicated, amongst other activities, to providing an important and growing alternative source of financing for football clubs and football PLCs” and provides services such as wealth management, player representations, asset lending, and investments amongst others. Le10 are stating that the company played a big part in funding Kondogbia’s move from Lens to Seville last summer but that Sevilla are yet to pay back any of the money lent to them by the company.

Other than Kondogbia, Doyen Sports represent other relatively well-known footballers, such as Chelsea target Eliaquim Mangala, Sevilla striker Alvaro Negredo and newly signed Monaco striker Radamel Falcao. They even claim to assist, on some level, bigger stars such as Barcelona duo Xavi Hernandez and Neymar Jnr.

This full ownership by the investments company means that only Kondogbia and his father have the power to decide whether or not he wants to stay at the Spanish club. Were an offer to be made for him by another club, Sevilla would have no say whatsoever in the transfer, with Doyen Sports handling the entirety of the transaction.'

If Le10 were correct, and Sevilla hadn't managed to pay the debt in a month, then the Spanish club wouldn't have much say in his future. It's likely Doyen would want far more than £8.5m or, even if they just retain a percentage, more as their cut of it.

Whilst £8.5m sounds like a bargain for the young Frenchman, it's probably not what Manchester United would actually have to pay in total for the midfielder. After Thiago and Fabregas, Modric and Kondogbia doesn''t appear to be any simpler, and we're now just a week away from the start of the actual season.
Real Madrid were linked with paying around €30m for Kondgobia before they bought Illarramendi and it's unlikely he's now available for a third of that.
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from Sport Witness
 
This modric kondogbia rumour last night was started by jamie jackson in the guardian who has proved himself to be about as much ITK as caughtoffside or guillem balague
 
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