Grubby deal with Tories, again.
Wonder how much it’ll anger those who relied on Reform as a protest vote
Wonder how much it’ll anger those who relied on Reform as a protest vote
General Election 2024
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Nigel Farage is expected to confirm that he is set to run in Clacton, a Tory held seat in Essex, in an emergency statement at 4pm
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-reform-uk-general-election-b2555649.html
I have also learned Farage is younger than Starmer. Jesus.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-reform-uk-general-election-b2555649.html
I have also learned Farage is younger than Starmer. Jesus.
Decided not to go to America now that his boss over there is criminal so decides to go for a seat with a big Tory majority to win. No doubt he will probably fecking win as the braindead will vote reform.
To me, this is just a bit of an excuse for young people.
I know, because I was one of those young people who sometimes didn't vote when I should have done in the past.
Signing up to the Electoral register takes all in all, 3-5 minutes online. It requires absolutely no effort.
The working days argument doesn't fly. Look at this chart:
18-34 year olds have much lower turnout than 35-64 year olds.
The majority of both these age brackets are working full time. Many of the 18-24 age brackets are students. There is no reason why 55-64 year olds can reach around 80% but 18-24 can barely cross the 50% threshold.
Most democracies require voting ID.
France, Czech Republic, Finland, Brazil, Argentina, Germany (though there is some nuance here), Greece, Canada, Hungary, Iceland, India hands out photo ID's to everyone just for elections, Ireland, Israel, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, USA all require photo ID in order to vote.
Australia, and formerly the UK, seem to be the only major countries that do not require a form of photo ID upon voting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws
This gives a breakdown of each democracies rules around this.
This is definetely not the reason why young people don't vote here.
Signing up to the Electoral register takes all in all, 3-5 minutes online. It requires absolutely no effort.
I know it's not difficult but people forget to do it, move too regularly etc. to get it done in time. It's not a big a issue but it's still a variable to be considered.
The working days argument doesn't fly. Look at this chart:
The chart shows that people of working age vote less generally. So maybe it is an issue? Otherwise whats the excuse for the middle age voting less then OAPs?
Flexibility could be an issue too. You're more likely to be working rigid shift patterns the younger you are.
Most democracies require voting ID.
Most of those countries also issue ID cards as standard so anyone eligible to vote will already have the required ID. Not the case in UK. And just take a look at the list of acceptable forms of ID. Far fewer options for younger voters. By design.
Even removing the additional barriers, you wouldn't suddenly see a surge in turnout. The more pertinent issue is motivation to vote in the first place. In other words actually having something to vote for.
I wonder, has he done this as a last minute attempt to get on the debate stage? If he runs, then the "leader" 
should be allowed in the debate?
should be allowed in the debate?I wonder, has he done this as a last minute attempt to get on the debate stage? If he runs, then the "leader"
He's not the leader though, I believe it's Tice but they seem to be having an argument about it and he would only go onto the debate with the rest of the parties anyway not the Starmer v Sunak one.
I believe they are more referring to Tatler being a member of the “Jewish Labour Movement”. You might not get it from the name, but it’s a pro-Israel lobbying group within the Labour Party. Unfortunately they are quite influential with the current leadership and are one of the main groups who complained about Faiza’s tweets that were critical of Israel.
Seems a bit wrong that a member of the pro-Israel group who complained about Faiza is parachuted into her seat.
You don’t actually have to be Jewish to be a member of the Jewish Labour Movement… but you do have to be pro-Israel. Jews who aren’t pro-Israel are actually regularly targeted by the group.
I've just had a look at their website and I don't see her listed on the NEC. Is there a membership list or something that shows her? I wonder why she would be a member given her background, which I'm still researching, and does it mean that she automatically hates Palestine and supports everything that Israel are doing?
I'm just really tired of Gaza dominating the discussion when there are much bigger domestic issues at stake.
edit: ok I found her declaration:
9. Membership of outside bodies - I am a member of, or occupy a position of general control or management in, the following bodies which exercise functions of a public nature:
| Detail: |
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| Labour Party |
| GMB Union |
| Fabian Society |
| Labour to Win |
| Progressive Britain |
| Jewish Labour Movement |
| BAME Labour |
| Unison |
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I mean its not the only issue, but its a pretty decent litmus test as to which way a candidate's morals swing. Its one thing being apathetic towards an ongoing genocide, its quite another being part of a collective that looks to silence or punish any outspoken dissent regarding this country's enablement of said genocide. To many such as myself that is very much a dealbreaker when it comes to lending my vote. Nor would I feel comfortable lending my vote to those who would seek to maintain a status quo of thousands of women and children being butchered as part of some ethno-fascist colonial endeavour. Frankly I don't want that on my conscience, regardless of the other pressing domestic issues.
On the topic of domestic issues there's also plenty areas of contention which would make me feel a little apprehensive voting for the Labour ticket.
Mixing morals and politics usually puts you on very shaky ground. I lean more towards pragmatism and realpolitik. If you take one stance on morals then you're setting yourself up for hypocrisy on others.
I don't think it means she hates Palestine per se. What you find with these groups when it comes to politics is that being a member and following the group's narrative can be good for your career. I think that is more the motivation for many politicians. You find with a lot of politicians, career advancement trumps morals every time.
Effectively, the Jewish Labour Movement were influential in getting rid of Faiza as a candidate and it's obvious that being a member of that same group helped Tatler become her replacement.
I still think the main motivation wasn't any Jewish issue, it was just backroom dealings seeing an active party member getting rewarded with an easy seat. As far as I can tell Shaheen did next to nothing for the party other than try to ensure her own re-election. She is really coming across as self-aggrandizing and having felt entitled to an easy ride into a political career. The Palestine thing, which is a minor infraction by Shaheen, was just the ready excuse given to oust her. Unfortunately the timing of the election announcement by Sunak has resulted in this and the Abbott messes.
I'm not sure how much good it will do them, but the lib dems are having a great campaign so far and they've pledged 10 epl games a year on tv for free!
The leader sat on the Abbott mess for five months.
I doubt that very much. My guess would be that they have been trying to negotiate her retirement for a while but obviously it had to speed up once the GE was announced. Unless you have inside info on the situation that categorically proves anything?
Nigel Farage is now the leader of Reform UK
Didn't believe for one second that he would miss an opportunity like this.
Nigel Farage has said Reform UK will not stand down against Conservative candidates, regardless of their record on Brexit, because they have played a part in what he claimed was a “betrayal” of the British public. He said:
To anyone that says to me. “Well, surely, you won’t stand against Bill Bloggs because he’s a really good bloke and he was a Brexiteer?”. The answer is 2.4 million. The 2.4 million people this Conservative government have allowed the settle in the UK in the course of the last two years. So whether Bill Bloggs is a good bloke or not, he has actually been part of what is a massive betrayal of 17.4 million people who voted Brexit. They voted yes, to get back our independence, but they absolutely voted to get back control of our borders.
To anyone that says to me. “Well, surely, you won’t stand against Bill Bloggs because he’s a really good bloke and he was a Brexiteer?”. The answer is 2.4 million. The 2.4 million people this Conservative government have allowed the settle in the UK in the course of the last two years. So whether Bill Bloggs is a good bloke or not, he has actually been part of what is a massive betrayal of 17.4 million people who voted Brexit. They voted yes, to get back our independence, but they absolutely voted to get back control of our borders.
I tend to think taking morals out of politics usually puts you on shakier ground, but that's just me.
He normally says this and then does a deal to stand down candidates at Tory will doesn’t he?
The investigation ended in December last year. The second Newsnight gets a whiff of that, suddenly the process moves to its conclusion within a week.
Usually yes. I am not sure this time. The Tory vote is teetering and Reform could win seats off of that.
Although do quote this in a fortnight when he does exactly what you describe.
So no then.
Yvette Cooper didn't deny it on the LKs show. It's far worse if it hadn't concluded in that timeframe isn't it? A key finding of the EHRC report was lengthy delays due to bad process and political interference.
Farage can claim with a straight face that politics in this country has moved to the left over the last decade...and the sheep lap it up. ive just had a look on the daily mail site covering the story, having read some of the comments, i need a shower.
I think it’s a clever play from Farage… and if the bookies open a market on it, I will bet on him becoming Prime Minister in 5 years.
The Tories could get buried in this election and he will look at Labour who are about to form a Government despite not being very popular and with a leader totally lacking in charisma. The media stoke up more culture wars around immigration and whatever else and suddenly Reform are polling as one of the most popular parties.
The Tories could get buried in this election and he will look at Labour who are about to form a Government despite not being very popular and with a leader totally lacking in charisma. The media stoke up more culture wars around immigration and whatever else and suddenly Reform are polling as one of the most popular parties.
I'm not sure why it isn't embedding but a link to the latest MRP. Things aren't looking great for the Conservative party. *Fixed it*
What's the realpolitik slogan again? Hail victory or something, I think.
And it means absolutely feck all because we’re moving from one right wing, austerity loving government to another.
Except the new one will have way more seats and way less rebels. Terrific.
Yeah but Grinner doesn't care so who's to say what really happened? All just a massive coincidence that after months of feck all, the second Newsnight reports on it the process moves into overdrive.
And a general election called at the same time. The coincidences are amazing.
General Election may have had something to do with it.
Agree entirely. I've said for ages that I'd take Labour having a slim majority over a Labour landslide with Reform as the main opposition.
Platforming Reform to that extent would be a historic mistake. We'll end up like the US but even worse because it won't be diluted over several states.
Sorry, the excuse now is that the very general election Starmer has been calling for for the entirety of the year was sprung on him?
The delay in the abbot announcment wasn't caused by the election, the delay was because they were waiting to an election to annouce her expulsion, so that they could then install someone, probably akehurst, who tried the same trick previously.
If they had announced her gone in December, they would had to let the CLP choose who stood in her place.
Then of course it got leaked (I would laugh my balls off if Diane was the leaker), starmer's lie was exposed and he was too scared to go through with it, hence the furious backtracking.
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