General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Redlambs said:
What makes them different this time to the last time they had a sniff at power then bent over? That people just want a centrist party, even if it's one with no ideas and no bottle?
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I guess, firstly lot's of people flat out don't want to vote anyone but the two main parties. Realistically, the Lib Dems are not going to get a majority, so anything the put forward is flawed. But democracy is a flawed construct to begin with, if you like their policies, then you might as well vote for them.

For what they did in power last time, they achieved quite a few of their policies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8619630.stm

Tax-free earning threshold to rise to £10,000, paid for by a "mansion tax" of 1% on properties worth over £2m applicable to value of property over that figure - Check

Annual savings totalling £15bn, including scrapping ID cards and not renewing the Trident nuclear deterrent - Check

Replace national curriculum with "minimum curriculum entitlement" in state-funded schools and scale back tests at age 11. More freedom for school management [England only] - Partial

Scrap compulsory retirement ages. State pension to rise in line with earnings, by 2.5% per year or in line with the Retail Price Index measure of inflation - whichever is highest - Check

Scrap compulsory retirement ages. State pension to rise in line with earnings, by 2.5% per year or in line with the Retail Price Index measure of inflation - whichever is highest - Check (And introduced some sort of State Pension for everyone)

etc
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A lot of what was in their manifesto did get implemented, with the Tories taking credit. Obviously the heart breaking one for a lot of people was going back on tuition fee rises.
 
sun_tzu said:
Announced already I think?
I'm assuming they are going to be ok with me cutting wages by 1.58% as they have just taken 4 working days away?
That said Corbyn could offer people 4 weeks off and he would still be unelectable
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Unmutual said:
I just dont believe these figure will pan out. I have no evidence to support this whatsoever but these 20+ point gaps are so unbelievable that I'm sure the numbers must converge a little. No party has managed even a 15 point gap in the post war era, to get a 20-odd point win now, and for a sitting Government at that, is too unrealistic. Hell, even 1931 only had a 25 point gap and that was a truly exceptional set of circumstances.
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Equally though there has been no labour leader so inept either... So anything is possible... I certainly expect the lowest number of Labour MPs post ww2 to be returned
 
sun_tzu said:
Equally though there has been no labour leader so inept either... So anything is possible... I certainly expect the lowest number of Labour MPs post ww2 to be returned
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Quick. Get the immigration mugs into the dishwasher and will someone please get Corbyn to stand in front of a tombstone with policies carved into it!
 
Dobba said:
Quick. Get the immigration mugs into the dishwasher and will someone please get Corbyn to stand in front of a tombstone with policies carved into it!
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Better still ask him if he would authorise police to kill terrorists... Or ask him about Trident... Or if he can sing the national anthem... Or if he was too thick to sit on a free seat in the train... Or just desperate to make a point but incapable of even finding a genuinely busy train.
 
sun_tzu said:
Better still ask him if he would authorise police to kill terrorists... Or ask him about Trident... Or if he can sing the national anthem... Or if he was too thick to sit on a free seat in the train... Or just desperate to make a point but incapable of even finding a genuinely busy train.
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So from your list then we can conclude its virtually nothing to do with him but manufactured media outrages (including one which got the journalist that reported it told off)?
 
Redlambs said:
Why is that any worse than any other option though? Who isn't going for a hard brexit? Why is anybody but the tories a good option, even if they have feck all policies I know about?
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afaik, Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens are asking for versions a softer brexit. And depending on which aspect of the EU you voted remain for, one of those parties is a better option for the simple fact that brexit is the biggest political change of the century so far.
 
sun_tzu said:
Better still ask him if he would authorise police to kill terrorists... Or ask him about Trident... Or if he can sing the national anthem... Or if he was too thick to sit on a free seat in the train... Or just desperate to make a point but incapable of even finding a genuinely busy train.
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You know it's a good response when it puts the admitted misreporting out first in the list as the big 'gotcha'.
 
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With these polls that have been all over social and MS media, do we know the numbers polled?
 
The reds are coming up the hill, boys![/RAWK]
 
Supposedly the next poll for Scotland at midnight has Tories well above 30%. feck me, I always thought we lived in a bubble. Apparently not. Straight fight between the two nationalisms it is then.
 
Seriously... These polls are competely and utterly meaningless unless we know how, when and where they were conducted, and how many people were polled.
 
DenisIrwin said:
Seriously... These polls are competely and utterly meaningless unless we know how, when and where they were conducted, and how many people were polled.
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What do you mean "how" and "where"?

Comres and Opinium were 2000 samples, 19-20th fieldwork. YouGov haven't released the tables yet that I've seen but it'll be of a similar sample with more recently fieldwork.
 
If we wanted polls worth getting hard about, there's the one at the top of this thread.
 
I look forward to the SNP winning a 47% landslide across the UK.
 
Here's the Scotland poll that was mentioned earlier



A slightly less insane but still pretty bad one

 
berbatrick said:
Yes, assuming it's a straight SNP-Tory fight with labour splitting ' union' votes from conservatives.
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Interesting thought but had a look and looks like (uniform swing so doesn't account for vote distribution etc) the first scenario wins the Tories 13, the second one 7.
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...lay=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2015
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...lay=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2015

Entertainingly, Angus Robertson loses his seat in both.
 
Ubik said:
Interesting thought but had a look and looks like (uniform swing so doesn't account for vote distribution etc) the first scenario wins the Tories 13, the second one 7.
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?SCOTCON=33&SCOTLAB=13&SCOTLIB=5&SCOTNAT=44&SCOTUKIP=1.6&SCOTGreen=1.3&type=scotland&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2015
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?SCOTCON=28&SCOTLAB=18&SCOTLIB=9&SCOTNAT=43&SCOTUKIP=1&SCOTGreen=1&type=scotland&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2015

Entertainingly, Angus Robertson loses his seat in both.
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Huh, that's weird. I always looked at 30-33 as a watershed in a multiparty election, and keeping a party under 30 as the big goal.

Edit: maybe the union/independence vote is strongly regional, and thus Conservatives gain from Labour losses directly.
 
berbatrick said:
Huh, that's weird. I always looked at 30-33 as a watershed in a multiparty election, and keeping a party under 30 as the big goal.

Edit: maybe the union/independence vote is strongly regional, and thus Conservatives gain from Labour losses directly.
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Looking at the six seats they gain in the first but don't in the second, four had the SNP at 45% or under in 2015, with a big Labour vote to cannibalise. The fifth had the LDs as the second party, so they gain it instead, and the sixth is a relatively straight SNP/Tory fight that they would just need the extra swing to win.

John Curtice has looked at the numbers more closely and reckons they'd "only" gain 11, so there'll be local factors as well (eg Angus Robertson).
 
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