They don't give a feck Chris. They'll still vote for the Tories.
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They don't give a feck Chris. They'll still vote for the Tories.
"Good, good, the idiots will spend even more of their wage on rent"
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It's a Man Utd forum run from Eire - it was likely to be left wing & liberal almost as much as it was likely to be pro Man Utd. In fact, given the current state of the football forum, maybe its more liberal than it is pro Man Utd.This place is soooooo liberal left wing
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The Sun referring to you as loony left puts you somewhere slightly towards the centre from Enoch Powell.
No. As a Labour/Remain voter, we should go ahead with what was democratically voted for last year. Would take a Labour/Left-wing victory as a sign of people wanting a softer Brexit, though.
Don't think that victory for the left is likely, though. Only way it happens is if May majorly overestimates how much bullshit she can get away with against a very weak opposition leader, and even then voters that go against her are just as (if not more) likely to go to other parties rather than Labour.
I think there should be another poll here with actual eligible voters - I clicked Labour here but that's meaningless since I have nothing to do with the UK.
Of course, sorting out eligible voters will have to be on trust.
Of course, sorting out eligible voters will have to be on trust.
Indeed, in fact the current labour platform is not even that left wing, in fact its historically pretty centrist. Ted Heath, that tory prime minister and famed left wing loony, ran a government that included pretty much everything labour are proposing.
With one exception, he had higher rate tax at around 85%, labour propose somewhere between 45 and 50.
Go to scandanavia, corbyn is seen as a centrist and they think all the descriptions of him as an extremist are hilarious.
@PedroMendez
I'll spoiler my post as it doesn't really have anything to do with the thread
I'll spoiler my post as it doesn't really have anything to do with the thread
I don't know your politics. But Melenchon wants such things as Worker Co-Ops,Restraining of property rights,taxing the rich(100% on people who earn over 400,000 euro),Cutting the working week,Raising the minimum wage,Nationalize French energy company EDF and gas provider Engie and 100% renewable energy by 2050.It's more reform than revolution.
And the biggest non Chavez point has already been pointed out to you
As for foreign policy both Melenchon and Corbyn follow a pretty standard socialist/anti imperialism line of thought.
And the biggest non Chavez point has already been pointed out to you
As for foreign policy both Melenchon and Corbyn follow a pretty standard socialist/anti imperialism line of thought.
Completely bizarre. Whats your view on Mandela, who had great respect(rightfully so)for the people of Cuba and Castro.
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We are desperate for one of these if Shaw doesn't step up.
As we are running a poll: Is there anyone in this thread/on the Caf who voted Remain but is still voting Conservative this time? And their reasons?
Presumably in the electorate at large that is not going to be an uncommon combination, even though it's a ridiculous one.
Presumably in the electorate at large that is not going to be an uncommon combination, even though it's a ridiculous one.
Yes, @LuisNaniencia
.I suppose where we are at any time & what is then labelled as extreme left, extreme right changes over time doesn't it? That's the essence of 'politicking' in the societal climate of the time. Where would 'far right' place someone right now? Hardly bears thinking about really. People's definitions of what constitutes 'far' on either side also highly variable of course.
For Corbyn previously, it might have been a slightly better 'answer' to the question, to say it was really easy to paint him as an oddball even before getting into his political beliefs. Still doing it now, basically. But then again, when even 3/4 of his MPs don't support him, it's a bit of an open goal, isn't it?
Brexit might not be the most important issue for every voter. A long time Tory voter who'd rather remain in the EU, but isn't that bothered about it either way, would probably still vote Conservative.
Other Remainers might have accepted that Brexit is coming whether they like it or not and consider the Tories the best option for getting a good deal.
The teacher in that Labour party video looks like she's going to kill the child who says "Miss". Creepy as hell stopping, turning and without saying a word walking towards her.
I know it's vice but thought this was good
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/theresa-mays-strong-and-stable-leadership-is-leading-us-to-chaos
Despite everything, if I were to vote in this election, I'd probably be tempted to vote for Labour out of fear about what the Conservatives have in store for the country. The thought of Theresa May as an elected PM fills me with dread.
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Tell you what, Corbyn looks a lot more natural there than May & Osborne did amongst children. Those two looked like they didnt know how to appear human.
Tell you what, Corbyn looks a lot more natural there than May & Osborne did amongst children. Those two looked like they didnt know how to appear human.
Yep.
vote for UKIPs!
Golf= bad
Guillotine = good
Golf= bad
Guillotine = good
I think this photo says more about the sort of person who likes May than the number-there are probably plenty of those charisma vacuums floating around
Actually a pretty good picture I'd say, it makes him seem relatable. Looks like your fun uncle though, which I'm not sure is an image he should be embracing.
@Sweet Square
so just one more point to wrap this up. I brought up Chavez(&Fidel) to describe Mélenchon and later linked on of them to Corbyn. You seem to think that this is unfair. I clarified my opinion and showed recent statements, where these two politicians themselves praised these dictators. I didn't smear them with hear-say or obscure statements of their youth. I am also not misrepresenting their positions (considering that my statements are very short); at least not in my last post, where I clarified, that they are not dictators in the making, but just that they "seems to like Venezuelan economic and social policies." There is nothing sinister to discuss (extremely controversial) statements from the candidates who run for the highest office in a country.
I don't know what Mandela said about Fidel, but I see little use in comparing these statements. Fidel was a lot, but he was not a racist. I have no problem if someone compliments him for that or for his support of liberation movements in Africa. Without knowing much about it, he was on the right side of history with that. Fidel was also right to fight against the Batista regime. Yet non of that excuses that he was also a brutal dictator, who terrorised and impoverished his country for almost 50 years.
So back to square one and the link between Corbyn and Chavez: Not everything that Chavez did was evil or bad. You can almost always find positive aspects when you are searching for them. Yet Corbyn referred precisely to his economic and social policies, because he seem to think that these policies
You personally may even like these policies, but I can assure you that the super-majority of the electorate would be horrified by this. They would be horrified, because there are only few countries in the world, where the population is starving without having existential crisis like war, a natural disaster, a drought or something along those lines. That is particularly "impressive" when you take into account that Venezuela wasn't a poor country (by latin american standards) and has the biggest oil reserves in the world.
I even mentioned that Corbyn is more of a social democrat than a socialist, but I just stop here.
Corbyn isn't just so unpopular because the press is just smearing him. That is part of the story, but the another part is, that he stands for ideas that are quite far outside the mainstream and not popular in the UK. The Torries could run with anyone and would win the next election, because even centre-left Labour voters are not necessarily willing to support Corbyn. Thats democracy.
I don't know what Mandela said about Fidel, but I see little use in comparing these statements. Fidel was a lot, but he was not a racist. I have no problem if someone compliments him for that or for his support of liberation movements in Africa. Without knowing much about it, he was on the right side of history with that. Fidel was also right to fight against the Batista regime. Yet non of that excuses that he was also a brutal dictator, who terrorised and impoverished his country for almost 50 years.
So back to square one and the link between Corbyn and Chavez: Not everything that Chavez did was evil or bad. You can almost always find positive aspects when you are searching for them. Yet Corbyn referred precisely to his economic and social policies, because he seem to think that these policies
. Pointing this out is not unfair smear. It is relevant because it tells us a lot about Corbyn's ideas in these areas.
You personally may even like these policies, but I can assure you that the super-majority of the electorate would be horrified by this. They would be horrified, because there are only few countries in the world, where the population is starving without having existential crisis like war, a natural disaster, a drought or something along those lines. That is particularly "impressive" when you take into account that Venezuela wasn't a poor country (by latin american standards) and has the biggest oil reserves in the world.
I even mentioned that Corbyn is more of a social democrat than a socialist, but I just stop here.
Corbyn isn't just so unpopular because the press is just smearing him. That is part of the story, but the another part is, that he stands for ideas that are quite far outside the mainstream and not popular in the UK. The Torries could run with anyone and would win the next election, because even centre-left Labour voters are not necessarily willing to support Corbyn. Thats democracy.
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vote for UKIPs!
Golf= bad
Guillotine = good
I mean, she wants plastic bags abolished...so at least she, err, believes in climate change? Maybe he could recycle heads from the guillotine?
The kids are probably thinking, who's that scruffy old git?
The things that career politicians will do to clutch at the heart strings.
Tbh Corbyn seems like one of the most likeable politicians I've seen. Do people just think he's a bit useless or genuinely dislike him for some reason?
Still loving me some Labour moderates 
No idea where the label 'Red Tories' comes from. Must be another of those 'Corbynista memes' like posting Angela Eagle's Iraq war and investigation voting record was during the last leadership election.
No idea where the label 'Red Tories' comes from. Must be another of those 'Corbynista memes' like posting Angela Eagle's Iraq war and investigation voting record was during the last leadership election.
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He looks like a geography teacher, and how dare you think I'll ever respect a geography teacher. God damn nerds these days.
I take it you don't listen to BBC radio, watch British TV, or read British newspapers then?
8% UKIP on caf. Bloody hell.
Who are these people?
Who are these people?
Nope, none of them. I'm actually unconvinced by any of the parties and without subjection to any of the media biases I'm hoping I can have a decent amount of subjectivity when weighing them up.
OK. Well, Corbyn has been constantly criticised in all of those media for the past 2 years - mainly for being unpopular.
That's a bit like being famous for being famous, isn't it?