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How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Unless we're working from a position that morality shouldn't come in to politics, which sounds a bit extreme, how exactly are we meant to not think our views are morally superior, given that's why they're our views?

We're not debating our favourite flavour of crisps. Apart from those who openly claim to be voting selfishly, which isn't really that many, those of us on the left, right or centre believe whatever crap we believe because we think it is the best for society and thus is clearly morally superior in our view.
 
Untied said:
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Show me some more polling so I don't even start to believe they can cock this up.



Controversial opinion: Anyone who writes "are" instead of "our" should have to pass a political competency test before they can vote.
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I imagine one of the main reasons TM has called these election was the pared back budget last month. Her vision has its hands tied by the previous Tory manifesto, i.e. the increase in NI being scrapped. She wants to win the election, with a manifesto (basically the T&Cs that no-one reads) that will allow her to plow through unhindered, and it is a scary direction.
 
Crossie said:
Sorry if this has been posted already. When will a TV debate happen, and will May stay firm and refuse to participate? TIA.
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I thought they were softening after criticism so she may now consider the thing if it's done in question/answer format from the audience.
Negotiating I expect - about knowing questions in advance & stuff

source: own speculation after reading Telegraph yesterday
 
Drifter said:
I''m sure the feelings are mutual .
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I think a lot of people on the left (me included) are desperately disappointed in "centrists" (ie., those that are not among the elite and yet vote for a party that favours the elite) but have very strong antagonism towards the actual Tory cnuts themselves.
 
montpelier said:
I thought they were softening after criticism so she may now consider the thing if it's done in question/answer format from the audience.
Negotiating I expect - about knowing questions in advance & stuff

source: own speculation after reading Telegraph yesterday
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Thanks, I'll follow how things will develop. I'm curious how May would perform in a TV debate, haven't seen her in any yet.
 
DenisIrwin said:
I think a lot of people on the left (me included) are desperately disappointed in "centrists" (ie., those that are not among the elite and yet vote for a party that favours the elite) but have very strong antagonism towards the actual Tory cnuts themselves.
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Centrists tend to be i'm alright jack.As long as their lives are not ruined they will go with either Tory or Labour.
 
Smores said:
Hmm not sure you answered my question but i think you know thats rubbish anyway. The economic cycle over which a party governs is a significant impact on those figures.

I don't think anyone would disagree with reducing inefficiencies/waste thats a moot point. Investment into the NHS isn't just 'plumping' it up or 'throwing money at' as the tories like to carefully phrase.

We have a huge opportunity to invest to build in infrastructure, housing, green technologies, robotics. We're not allowed though because of party dogma on budgets and debt, in a way Labour have to go high on figures so the tories can do half and claim responsibility.
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I'm not against sensible infrastructure investment. Sensible is the key word, and nothing about Labour's last time in power makes me think they'll do anything other than borrow every penny they can get their hands on and waste most of it. Corbyn doesn't even have any real economic policies ffs.
 
@Sweet Square

Yes and I stand by my comment in the context that I made it. I was asked to explain the French candidates in 1-2 sentences and referencing Chavez might be polemic, but is still quite useful to understand in which direction he wants to go. Now I don’t imply that he’d try to introduce a dictatorship in France, because that is impossible, yet he seems to like Venezuelan economic and social policies. It is not my fault that these lunatics frequently praise Venezuela (or Cuba) for their social, economic and foreign policies. You’d expect that they are smart enough to come up with countries that is not going down the tubes, but apparently they struggle to do so.

Mélenchon clarified and walked back on some of his statements recently – kudos for that -, but that’s only necessary, because we get these fairly “mixed” statements in the first place (e.g. ).

Corbyn didn’t walk back any of his statements. In fact in 2014 (or maybe it was 2015) Corbyn joined Maduro on his propaganda channel (via phone) for a friendly chat. Isn't that lovely? The good news is, that Corbyn is much more moderate compared to Mélenchon. When push comes to shove Corbyn is still a social democrat and not really a socialist. The bad news is that he is ignorant enough to praise the social and economic achievements of a country that has shortages of basic goods like milk or flour. People in Venezuela are literarily starving due to the economic politics of Chavez&Maduro. That’s a level of ignorance and moral confusion that should disqualify anyone from being near political power.
 
PedroMendez said:
@Sweet Square

Yes and I stand by my comment in the context that I made it. I was asked to explain the French candidates in 1-2 sentences and referencing Chavez might be polemic, but is still quite useful to understand in which direction he wants to go. Now I don’t imply that he’d try to introduce a dictatorship in France, because that is impossible, yet he seems to like Venezuelan economic and social policies. It is not my fault that these lunatics frequently praise Venezuela (or Cuba) for their social, economic and foreign policies. You’d expect that they are smart enough to come up with countries that is not going down the tubes, but apparently they struggle to do so.

Mélenchon clarified and walked back on some of his statements recently – kudos for that -, but that’s only necessary, because we get these fairly “mixed” statements in the first place (e.g. ).

Corbyn didn’t walk back any of his statements. In fact in 2014 (or maybe it was 2015) Corbyn joined Maduro on his propaganda channel (via phone) for a friendly chat. Isn't that lovely? The good news is, that Corbyn is much more moderate compared to Mélenchon. When push comes to shove Corbyn is still a social democrat and not really a socialist. The bad news is that he is ignorant enough to praise the social and economic achievements of a country that has shortages of basic goods like milk or flour. People in Venezuela are literarily starving due to the economic politics of Chavez&Maduro. That’s a level of ignorance and moral confusion that should disqualify anyone from being near political power.
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Jezza used to go on Russia Today slagging of U.K. foreign policy for the benefit Vlad.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
For all those who indicated they'll vote Labour,

Should Corbyn man up and say he'll stop Brexit if Labour gets elected?
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No. I don't like the result but it is what it is and unless something substantial happens like a real shitty deal then i dont think he should overrule a referendum.

I mean if the UK votes again to leave then what? Keep going because we know better.
 
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11101 said:
I'm not against sensible infrastructure investment. Sensible is the key word, and nothing about Labour's last time in power makes me think they'll do anything other than borrow every penny they can get their hands on and waste most of it. Corbyn doesn't even have any real economic policies ffs.
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What about Labour's last time in power makes you think they would borrow every penny they can get their hands on? I expect you mean the bank bailout? Hardly fair. What else could they have done?

Which of Corbyn's policies are not real economic policies?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
For all those who indicated they'll vote Labour,

Should Corbyn man up and say he'll stop Brexit if Labour gets elected?
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He should have left open the question of a referendum on the final deal

If public opinion turns against it when the shit hits the fan there should be the ability to escape. Although to be honest it's pointless making promises to that effect at the moment, because if opinion turns the public won't care that "no second referendum" was promised, they'll just be glad to stop it.
 
Smores said:
i dont think he should overrule a referendum.
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I really don't get the argument that the referendum is an holier than thou act and questioning it is an act against democracy. It was a incorrect and misguided attempt in the first place, which should have never taken place. It's should be treated at part with an exit poll before election. Overrated.
 
Sassy Colin said:
So did I, but I still wouldn't vote for a bunch of idiots or a bunch of liars
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So you'd rather be run by a bunch of people who want lots of things you don't instead? Because at least they're borderline competent and honest about being evil souless bastards?
 
Wonder why Corbyn's not been issued with a security detail. Party leaders tends to be given it during the election campaign.
 
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