General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
It really was the worst policy sell of all time. The thing is they started saying difficult choices had to be made and thats why they'd done it then after that stuck they decided to say oh no actually its better than now.

What i never saw discussed is the cost implication
The old system, the £23k doesnt include someone's house until you are are in a care home.

The new system, the house is included straight away. So it does make things worse for many people.

https://fullfact.org/health/what-dementia-tax/
 
I agree but who replaces her? Rudd nearly lost her seat so it's hard to see how she can have the authority to lead the party and the country. Alistair Campbell made the point of Boris being an act which people see through now, and that the '£350m a week for the NHS' slogan will stick with him. Other than those two who is there? Gove, Hammond, Fallon aren't liked enough I don't think. Possibly David Davis?

Yep, for me it's Davis. It has to be a brexiteer, and there's no one more stable and respectable than Davis.

It's amazing how far the Tories have crumbled since Theresa May called the election. Prior to that there were talks of the Tories being in Government until 2025-2030 with an unassailable lead over Labour. All that has disappeared now and they are the ones in chaos. Really has been an amazing 7 weeks in UK politics.

Yes it has.
A 24 point lead blown within 7 weeks. That's what you call poor campaigning. I voted for her, but two things happened during the campaign that shook my faith in her. The social care tax was a suicidal move, but what bothered me most was when Jeremy Paxman asked her repeatedly if she (previously as a remainer) believed that brexit was better than staying in the EU. She wouldn't respond with a yes or no answer. How in the world can we have a leader of our country negotiating something she doesn't even believe in? These negotiations will effect this country for years, and she doesn't even believe that brexit is the right move for Britain. How dumb can she get and still breathe?
 
Yep, for me it's Davis. It has to be a brexiteer, and there's no one more stable and respectable than Davis.



Yes it has.
A 24 point lead blown within 7 weeks. That's what you call poor campaigning. I voted for her, but two things happened during the campaign that shook my faith in her. The social care tax was a suicidal move, but what bothered me most was when Jeremy Paxman asked her repeatedly if she (previously as a remainer) believed that brexit was better than staying in the EU. She wouldn't respond with a yes or no answer. How in the world can we have a leader of our country negotiating something she doesn't even believe in? These negotiations will effect this country for years, and she doesn't even believe that brexit is the right move for Britain. How dumb can she get and still breathe?

In a rare defence of May, there was no one credible who supported Brexit who was willing to stand to the end to actually become PM. The only person willing was Gove and his pastime involves unknowingly taking the piss out of himself. Leadsom dropped out once she realised it wasn't the 1920s anymore, and Boris never believed in Brexit either.
 
George Osborne, whilst not an MP currently, surely will be looking to get into the Commons and stand for the Leadership in the future.

Burnt too many bridges now I think.

I also think his reputation is gone, considering he was Pigfecker's no 2, and hence part of the team that kick started all this mess.
 
In a rare defence of May, there was no one credible who supported Brexit who was willing to stand to the end to actually become PM. The only person willing was Gove and his pastime involves unknowingly taking the piss out of himself. Leadsom dropped out once she realised it wasn't the 1920s anymore, and Boris never believed in Brexit either.

At the time I thought she was ok, although a little disappointed that she was a remainer. It was the campaign that really found her out. She was so robotic, repeatedly talking about Corbyn being untrustworthy as a leader, going to manufacturing plants talking to a privileged dozen workers, and giving soundbites to the cameras about how her government was the only government that was strong and stable etc.... really really poor.
Obviously much of it was driven by her advisers, but she trusted them. Her reputation is shot. She will be a laughing stock everywhere she goes. For me she needs to resign I think.
 
That already happens. Do you think it doesnt?

Let me be perfectly clear

If we make EU27 natuonals require a visa to come VISIT here, brexit has utterly failed. Can you imagine needing to a Visa to go on holiday in spain?

Working and visiting javemtwo veru different levels of control.

The UK has a robust system in place already. It ia trivial to require a visa for work, and having an visa free border (or an open border)

Really dont know what the feck anyone is on about. The common travel area isnt going anywhere
Australia and New Zealand have an arrangement whereby Kiwis can move to Australia and back freely, can work and live there indefinitely, pay taxes, superannuation and all the rest, sign up with a local GP for healthcare, exactly like an Aussie. Everything is the same apart from being unable to vote in Aus elections. Of course, it works the other way too. Not a problem really.
 
Australia and New Zealand have an arrangement whereby Kiwis can move to Australia and back freely, can work and live there indefinitely, pay taxes, superannuation and all the rest, sign up with a local GP for healthcare, exactly like an Aussie. Everything is the same apart from being unable to vote in Aus elections. Of course, it works the other way too. Not a problem really.
Common sense does not exist in Europe
 
Sackable offence that
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So many Remains in the reshuffle I'm half-expecting we'll end up staying in Europe...
Saw some ex-spooks talking this way in a conspiracy-theory kind of way a while back. Didn't think it credible enough for posting, but it's there at the back of my mind nonetheless.
 
thank god Global Britain will soon be out of it. We'll miss the guidance only the likes of Theresa May, Farage and Boris can provide
Well I am now of the thought that THIS govt should not go ahead with Brexit, any other govt yes, this one led by may is worse than Cameroon and Osbourne and that's hard to beat.
 
Well I am now of the thought that THIS govt should not go ahead with Brexit, any other govt yes, this one led by may is worse than Cameroon and Osbourne and that's hard to beat.

I always knew you were pro-Europe at heart.
 
Well I am now of the thought that THIS govt should not go ahead with Brexit, any other govt yes, this one led by may is worse than Cameroon and Osbourne and that's hard to beat.

Who should lead the government instead? (Genuine question)
 
Saw some ex-spooks talking this way in a conspiracy-theory kind of way a while back. Didn't think it credible enough for posting, but it's there at the back of my mind nonetheless.
It's a strange world we live in.
Common sense does not exist in Europe
Did the EU murder a member of your family or something?
Australia and New Zealand have an arrangement whereby Kiwis can move to Australia and back freely, can work and live there indefinitely, pay taxes, superannuation and all the rest, sign up with a local GP for healthcare, exactly like an Aussie. Everything is the same apart from being unable to vote in Aus elections. Of course, it works the other way too. Not a problem really.
Indeed. Although you've literally described all the reasons EU Citizens come to work here, which is why everyone voted leave. Apparently we're better off with some sort of Canada plus relationship
thank god Global Britain will soon be out of it. We'll miss the guidance only the likes of Theresa May, Farage and Boris can provide
I'm looking forward to Global Britain. I've no idea what that means, but it's going to be great. Presumably it means reducing red tape between us and Australia, New Zealand, the USA and Canada. Red tape such as requiring a VISA to come and work here.
 
Well I am now of the thought that THIS govt should not go ahead with Brexit, any other govt yes, this one led by may is worse than Cameroon and Osbourne and that's hard to beat.
Yes Stanley!

Also @Stanley Road I'd love to see what would be in your manifesto.

You're anti EU, pro high-taxes, pro free-market?
 
Alan Johnson was leading Labour referendum campaign. Corbyn position on the EU seemed to be a pretty standard Left position - Not a fan of it(It's actions against Greece and the forcing of austerity being a couple of reasons) but the racist campaign of leave meant it was important to vote to stay in.
But then that's a problem for me, and not a defence of Corbyn's referendum position - I honestly think a stronger leader of the opposition would have been able to stop us from the hard Brexit we're falling into.

See McDonnell today - they don't care about single market access. This should have been the time to attack May's Brexit cause and argue for the Labour vision, but the current leadership isn't interested at all. The same was true of the post-referendum period. Before May became PM, no-one had given the public a picture of what the referendum results would mean. That's a failure of the Corbyn leadership, probably the largest to date.
 
If may fails with queens speech does this cabinet she has appointed stay as is and become the shadow cabinet assuming Corbyns passes? Or does she reshuffle again?
 
But who should lead the talks?
Get Dan Hannan, Boris Johnson and David Davis in a room with some Swedish university political students.

Then whilst they're concentrating on that, we'll revoke Article 50 and ask our good friends in the EU to negotiate a new Treaty moving our membership sideways
 
If may fails with queens speech does this cabinet she has appointed stay as is and become the shadow cabinet assuming Corbyns passes? Or does she reshuffle again?
Pretty sure she'd have to resign, so there would need to be at least one person shuffled about as someone takes her place!

But shadow cabinets just do whatever they want anyway