Point of order - can people stop using the term "Blairites" inaccurately? Describing people like Tom Watson as a Blairite makes my logic circuits short out a little.
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Alan Johnson was leading Labour referendum campaign. Corbyn position on the EU seemed to be a pretty standard Left position - Not a fan of it(It's actions against Greece and the forcing of austerity being a couple of reasons) but the racist campaign of leave meant it was important to vote to stay in.
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Not all of the PLP no, there were distinct groups though. Those who had concerns which could have been resolved behind closed doors and then those who just wanted him out at all costs, the latter tainted the party and brought the others with them.
Hopefully Labour can now work together while the Tories fight amongst themselves instead.
We don't want them now
Far more accurateBrownite?
In terms of numbers, Brownites and the soft left made up a far greater number of the 170-odd voting no in the confidence motion.Kinda, but then again, the majority of the UK right now do not vote for the party in power. In the case of 2005 General Election, you almost have a super-majority against the Labour Government. And yet they somehow have power for another 5 years, where is the logic in that?
So under FPTP you have the vast majority of people opposing the government we get, under STV/PR we get a coalition where no one gets the government we get?
Democracy is an experiment. Politics is a game. There is no perfect system, but if there was one, it wouldn't give one party complete power for 5 years, and then another party complete power too. People would vote for the party that represented them and then parliament would vote through the laws that the majority of MPS (and therefore the country) supported.
People wanted a vote on Brexit (2015: Conservatives: 36.8%, UKIP: 12.7%). Then it turned out they wanted to leave the EU (52% vs 48%). Democracy works.
If you look at what the Tories and Lib Dems got through, some of it was in both parties manifestos (or both parties were happy to do it)
- Reduce the deficit
- Increase the Personal Allowance.
- Cap pay rate rises for public workers (really)
- Scrapping ID cards
- Royal Mail privatisation
- Reform NHS Dentistry (both supported this, where was it???)
- Build houses
Etc
Probably we didn't get the government we wanted, but maybe we got the one we deserved
I cannot believe the Torys are going to cut a deal with the DUP.
crazy
crazy
You mean apart from it could destroy the peace process and bring back the violence and killing to Northern Ireland?
My point is that this "great campaign" which went "better than anyone expected" involved not winning an election. And when I point this out, I'm told it's because it's a great result considering how badly Labour were polling beforehand. As though the bad polling beforehand was down to events beyond his control. Which is, of course, nonsense.
Moral issues aren't something to just dismiss though. They'll rightly take a lot of flak for working with such people. The electorate won't forget it could be very damaging to them
Because 10 people are simply going to back Theresa May in important issues regarding the UK, and probably receive some financial support for doing so?
The IRA would be seen as being quite pathetic for understanding that as a breach of peace. They would have to use their common sense (as hard as it is for them) to understand that Theresa May will simply be using them as a last ditch attempt to form a minority government, with some benefits in return. Nothing more.
DUP were against austerity (vocally anyway.) That's a pretty big difference.
The big issue that the DUP will try and get a good deal (financially) for Northern Ireland. That should be applauded speaking as someone who lives here. However, it removes Britain's position as an impartial entity and the rest of the U.K. will not be happy about a small area getting preferential treatment just to keep a lame duck PM in power.
Most people of all faiths are against abortion and homosexuality, I am also against it, but these moral issues don't really carry much significance in British politics anymore. They are simply moral points of view.
Sorry but no one with such views belongs in politics, they should not be mainstreamed. They're not harmless opinions even if kept mostly to themselves which the DUP do not.
Who gives a shit about the others not liking it?
The DUP are a party that have much in common with the Tories. All they're doing is temporarily swapping seats in parliament supporting the tories only in matters where they agree.
You're against homosexuality?
The Tories should.
Of course, but I don't condemn those are homosexuals. I am friends with a couple.
Some of my best black friends are gay homobisexual made-up manc mates.
It's this ruthless determination to walk all over principles and the clear disregard your policies have been rejected in order to stay in power is what is going to do the Tories in the end.
You are a very obvious embodiment of it. May's determination to walk all over civil rights online to supposedly catch some terrorists (even though she presided over the disastrous cuts in the HO) is another very stark example.
She and her voters will get what they deserve sooner rather than later.
this is what I was thinking off.
What policies would you support to prevent homosexuality?
Well personally I think she should go, but obviously there are Brexit talks next week. It's a very bad situation, as everyone understands.
Remember the reaction to this
I wouldn't prevent homosexuality, as it is everyones free moral choice. I disapprove of gay marriage.
The polling success of Labour now probably means that the Tories won't risk another election, going to be absolute chaos.
Why are you trying to prevent gay marriage but not stop the root cause? Its a moral choice to murder someone and we try to prevent that. Do you not think we should be doing more?
They'll do anything they can to avoid one for a while. It's not that easy though.
The remain campaign didn't see him as an asset, much like they didn't before this campaign
I'm not trying to prevent anything.
Well if he did insist on going on TV shows to talk about his 7/10 enthusiasm for the EU...
It's called honesty, I know it's unusual in a politician so you might not recognise it
Apart from gay marriage?
It isn't a fecking choice!
the biased media had a lot to do with the polling.
Corbyn stood by his principals against back stabbing members of his own party.