It was a good campaign and a success in relative terms but in real terms, the bottom line, is that Labour lost and they needed a bogus manifesto to achieve that.
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It was a good campaign and a success in relative terms but in real terms, the bottom line, is that Labour lost and they needed a bogus manifesto to achieve that.
It's bizarre seeing the Tories jump into bed with the DUP given their and their press' constant portrayal of Corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser.
it a fair point, but a few months back every one was saying it was going on about how it might be hard to work this all out in 2 years and how unlikely an extension was?
its just a fecking mess, every part of this has been mishandled!
from calling a referendum with out a clear message of what Brexit would be, to then not putting party politics aside to create a cross party team to deal with these discussions, to then saying your ready to start negotiations pushing the article 50 button then calling a General election that would happen 9 days before the most important discussions since world war 2 are about two start.
what every your Political beliefs, what ever your stance on Brexit.... we should all be fecking livid at the way this has been handled. But now we have to make the best of a really shitty situation, and the only person who seems vaguely ready and able to lead these discussions is May, do we roll the dice again and hope the next leader gets thier shit together quicker? is their any reason to think they would? considering pretty much everyone involved in this has ballsed it up so far! who is gonna step in who has the authority to lead us in these discussions?.........FECK THIS IS MAKING ME ANGRY!!!!!!! the more i think about it the more it just pisses me off!!!!!!
I dunno!
Sometimes I get the feeling that people living in mainland Great Britain know extremely little, and care even less, about the most volatile part of their country, Northern Ireland. Would that be fair?
Does Davidson have any moral or formal authority over the Scottish MP's?
100% fair.
Yes. I don't forget about them deliberately, but their political separation (making them often largely irrelevant in elections) and not being part of the mainland mean I sort of do it automatically.
Not really, no. They're Scottish Conservative MP's and she's Scottish Conservative leader but for the most part the actual technical definition of the party is just a branch office.
Yep.
No
I studied 20th century political history at Uni so i'm fairly comfortable i have a reasonable understanding of the situation as we had some modules on it, but by i'm by no means an expert, and not really up on the current politics over there.
I'd also say that since the bombs stoped exploding the general populations interest(mine too) in northern Ireland has dwindled.
How much do the people of NI know about politics in Greater Manchester?
It wasn't a bogus manifesto. It wouldn't have been 100% deliverable, but manifestos never are. It was a leftist manifesto which redrew the boundaries between Tory and Labour. Boundaries that needed redrawing.
Who's better off after last night? It certainly isn't the Tories. That's a Labour win in the long run, as the PM is dangling by a thread, Scotland is back in play, and the most Tory of Tory seats turned red. If people were expecting a Labour win, then I could see this as a loss, but the exact opposite was the expectation. This was supposed to be an annihilation of Labour, yet over the last seven weeks the Tories' stock has dwindled and Labour's has risen. Not a majority, but significant gains, which equates as a win considering Labour hadn't made any gains since 1997.
Yeah i've been pretty much annoyed ever since witnessing the mishandling of the remain campaign and the arguments of the leave campaign. Half of the things we complain about now are May's making though, so I really don't see how she's uniquely qualified, the opposite if anything once you consider her 'My way or no way' approach on display up until now.
Thanks.
Feck yeah. I love London tonight.
I would rather Boris negotiate and the bloke is a moron.
Considerably more, on the whole?
Not really comparable though is it, politics in Greater Manchester isn't dominated by sectarian/nationalist factions with a history of slaughtering each other in the streets, fighting the British army, trying to join a neighbouring country, etc. The political stakes in NI are considerably higher than anywhere else in the UK, yet it seems that nobody gives a shit.
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It was a bogus manifesto, one that was issued safe in the knowledge that it would never have to be implemented.
Who loses? Me, you and most people. The political landscape is fecked, Brexit is even more messy. I voted for Corbyn in the end but am not an acolyte or devotee to any party. I have felt annoyed more than anything today.
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Fair point.
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I highly doubt that.
for me it goes beyond politics, (of course the politics annoy me too) but if you take politics and beliefs out of it you just look at how badly the pure logistics have been managed!
I mean even people who want a conservative government and a hard Brexit can't think the way this has all been handled and planned out time and logistic wise can think this is the best way to make their views a success!
every single person living in this country should be pissed of at the way this has been managed!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ter-theresa-may-hung-parliament-a7782581.html
The absurdity of our voting system. Hard to draw too many conclusions when such a huge range of outcomes were coinflips.
Just 287 votes the other way to give the Tories a majority...
The absurdity of our voting system. Hard to draw too many conclusions when such a huge range of outcomes were coinflips.
Just 287 votes the other way to give the Tories a majority...
I agree that it was issued under the circumstances you describe, but parts of it would have been delivered had the extremely unlikely event of a Labour majority occurred.
I agree, it is fecked. And I still think Corbyn should bring centrists into the fold, and prepare for his own exit (unless an election is to be called within a year or so) to provide the best platform for Labour going forward. But the Tories being weaker than they were is only a good thing. I don't think this coalition will last, and Labour will have a very real chance of winning the next election if they can get their shit together and form unity amongst the ranks.
And the result of this is he managed to equal Gordon Browns election result against a disasterous Tory campaign that beat him out, in every metric.
I mean we talk about the media campaign against Corbyn, the social media and celebrity led bollocks against the Tories was just as bad. Millionaire comedians who live in the states telling us to vote against the Tories while they aren't the ones faced with paying through the arsehole if what they want comes to pass.
Heck, with true PR, Corbyn would be Prime Minister.
Labour, the RAWK of the political World. A loss is, somehow, a win. 
Yep.
These are the people the Tories are getting into bed with. It's gonna be a clusterfeck.
Labour, the RAWK of the political World. A loss is, somehow, a win.
When the election was called the projection was a Tory landslide with a majority of as many as 150. Indeed that's why the election was called. They called the election with a majority. They now have no majority.
Corbyn ran a brilliant campaign and has changed politics in this country for the better.
The Tories are the real losers here.
Enjoy your Brexit negotiations and dealing with a bunch of bigoted religious morons.Labour, the RAWK of the political World. A loss is, somehow, a win.
I don't know a lot but I care. I want Northern Ireland to be stable. Bringing Northern Ireland into Westminster politics isn't a way to keep it stable though.
How we make Northern Ireland Politics stable again is beyond me but a Tory DUP alliance is not it.
He stopped the hemorrhage from Labour to Conservative. That's worth a lot, and it's the first time Labour's fortunes have been on the up (in terms of gains) in two decades. It's not a win in terms of forming a government, but it's a win in terms of being better able to do so at the next election. Parties always look at the long term.
The media is a different issue, but there are also prominent right wingers on social media, and right wing business interests own the print and broadcast media, so I wouldn't say it came out level in terms of negative to positive coverage.
Agreed but his point is still pretty valid. It's very much the "yea but they spent £200m this Summer so everyone expected them to win, no one expected us to only lose by this many".
That's fair enough but no one will remember the close run losers. The Spurs of politics if you will.
What did they lose? They gain 30+ seats.Labour, the RAWK of the political World. A loss is, somehow, a win.
They came second. Ie first loser.
For me, it's a huge loss.Labour, the RAWK of the political World. A loss is, somehow, a win.
I'm just hoping for another General Election this year. DUP in power is disgusting