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General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time
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Thats presuming that all Torys will go with the whip, and all opponent MPs wont. Remember that away from all the hyperbole, all the parties share many of the same ideas on policy. If labour do get a shot at makinga govt (unlikely) ill be fascinated to see how JC plans on paying for all his promises now that he'll have to actually do it. Will inevitably backtrack and water them down though.
It's early. You are going to have to elaborate.
Is this a dig at him wanting more kids to go to uni and work their way out of poverty?
I fail to see your point.
Well smack my face and call me a bitch.
Off to share an office with my pro-Brexit Finance Director today 
told me last week that May was a shoe in and 'the best person to lead Brexit'
Can't wait to see the look on his face
told me last week that May was a shoe in and 'the best person to lead Brexit' Can't wait to see the look on his face
Ah, so it's looking likely that they'll have enough seats to form a coalition with the DUP?
Its not unacceptable to expect students to pay for their own education. It may weed out those that actually want to go to uni and those that want to doss for 4 years. If uni is free there is a very real danger that everyone will ultimately be degree qualified and it will water the value of it down and make it even harder than it is to get a job with the added competition. That, along with uncontrolled migration, could put a lot of pressure on the job market i a few years time.
THey already have. Sinn Fein abstein remember. Thats 7 votes effectively to the Tories.
Not too early for you to craft a dodge, apparently. So is that a yes or a no? Are middle-class students, or those who don't even need to attend uni for that matter, more deserving than the people who lost out at Osborne's guiding hand?
Just about.
Corbyn has shown that proper social policies are still possible, despite the media trying their very best to to kill him off from the beginning.
Concerning brexit let me be perfectly honest: I still haven't been convinced by the Tories that they actually do have a working strategy considering it. They've repeatedly and loudly claimed they'll treat it like a negotiation in a car boot sale, aside from that, I haven't seen much. So while this result might throw that strategy into question, I don't view that as a major loss.
Yes, not even the same party MPs agree all the time. The conservatives have a wide spectrum from centre to far right politicians and finding legislation they will all agree on will be tough. The problem with a minority government is it makes random players like DUP king makers they will be looking for massive favours!
Is it strictly one or the other?
It was a cynical vote grab. A workable policy to say give a large number of scholarships to working class kids studying STEM subjects or subjects that we need to serve the economy would have been excellent IMO. Free degrees for all is not a sensible way to spend public funds.
Going by Labour's manifesto, apparently so.
Yes it is. Unless you don't care about social mobility and having a predominantly educated workforce no matter who your parents were.
Laura Kuenssberg must be finding this one hard.
Not only is it sensible but it should be a right. Free education and health plus a decent social net for all should be the minimum a government provides.
So ironically, after all the Corbyn IRA smears it'll be the Tories forming a government with a party loosely associated with the UDA.
Does this apply to MAs and PhDs as well?
is this a good labour result? what does this mean for brexit?
And, God knows, they've certainly strived to provide the absolute minimum.
From what I understand, not a lot, but not sure man.
It's the tuition fees that are free. The rest is student loans or out of their own pocket so there is incentive not to doss.
As it is a lot of youngsters are put off the 30k tuition fees and loss of earnings in that period. Not do able for families at the bottom.
318 Tory + 10 DUP - 1 Speaker = 327. With 7 Sinn Féin abstentions that's a working majority of 10.
The government does provide free education. Higher education is specialist education and if it is to be free it should serve the economy and country.
Why shouldn't they pay something towards their own education? They will get a loan so its not like they will have to foot it immediately. If you want a car or a house or to gain a professional qualification you generally have to PAY for it. I was brought up in a lower to working class household to save up and pay for the things i needed - not to expect them given to me. Remember that this money isnt just grown on a tree... it has to be paid or by somebody. Why should the wider taxpayer have to pay for this?
If the DUP do become king makers might Sinn Fein take their seats?
It seems impossible but they can't be happy with the idea of the DUP running things in Westminster.
It seems impossible but they can't be happy with the idea of the DUP running things in Westminster.
All forms of education, from pre-school to PHD's have a net positive effect on the economy and society.
They become better educated and spend their entire adulthood contributing to society. We pay for students now, they pay for students of the future, and those pay students even further down the line.
They've ruled it out already.
Spot on. A very irresponsible policy by Corbyn IMO. Has he even said how he would pay for it? Or are people who are earning more money going to bear the brunt again?
Agreed, I want any children I have one day to have as much access to the best quality education they can possibly have.
Second time after an election she's done this but my mum just goes to me, 'if I'd have voted yesterday she'd have gone Labour'. I'm going to convince her to stop doing postal votes. Not spoke to my dad but might try and get him to vote in person next time.
Each to their own, but to me I wouldn't do a postal vote unless I'm unable to go in person.
Each to their own, but to me I wouldn't do a postal vote unless I'm unable to go in person.
Todays highest earners are people who were students at a time where higher education was free. So, feck yes they should help pay for todays students.
What do you propose happen when there is too much competition for jobs that nobody with a degree can get one... because everyone has a degree? Plus the effects of higher immigration?
There should be a quota of free merit based places for higher degrees. Higher education should also be merit based up to the number of funded places (which should be increased) but with huge provisions for adapting entry requirements for the socially disadvantaged but also provide a bridging year if these entrants need extra help to get them up to the educational standards required of first year students.
I also think that student loans shouldn't exist and that the old grant system should be reintroduced, students should also be allowed to sign on in holidays if they genuinely want to work and prove it the way everyone else does. The modern Tory way is morally, socially and ethically corrupt.
A time when there was more jobs; less competition and less people here to compete for them. You cannot compare the times.
I got a free education and I'd happily pay more tax to reintroduce such a system. That is a country I'd want to live in.
They can either apply for a different job or retrain. The idea that people are being over-trained or overeducated is just ridiculous. A better educated population is good for everyone and everything.
Perhaps if we had a government that actually invested in people and jobs rather than cutting everything things would be better on that front.