He loves that he pays tax? Really?
I don't mind people who operate under selfish interest but he loves paying tax is nonsense
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He loves that he pays tax? Really?
I don't mind people who operate under selfish interest but he loves paying tax is nonsense
Maybe love is the wrong word... But he says he frames it and puts it on a wall
Definitely, his double cassettes were so shit they should do him for another £ 58 million.
Okay, so these are the ones that Theresa May was in the Commons for.
Voted against
2003 Criminal Justice Act: Modernising the criminal justice system, allows offences to be tried by a judge sitting alone without a jury
2005 Prevention of Terrorism Act: Gave the Home Secretary the power to impose control orders on terror suspects
2006 Terrorism Act: Outlawed the “glorification” of terror following 7/7 bombings
2008 Counter-Terrorism Act: Banned communication of sensitive details about Armed Forces
Abstained on
1998 Criminal Justice (Terrorism and Conspiracy) Act: Stricter punishment for being a member of terror group following the Omagh bombing
2000 Terrorism Act: Redefined terrorism and gave police stop and search powers
2001 Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act: Following 9/11, indefinite holding without charge of suspects who cannot be deported.
2013 Justice and Security Act: Allowed secret hearings in courts on issues of national security
Voted for
2011 Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act: Replaced control orders with new powers to restrict the movement of suspects who could not be prosecuted or deported
2014 Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act: Gave police emergency access to phone and internet records
2016 Investigatory Powers Bill: To allow the bulk interception of communications, equipment interference, subject to certain safeguards.
Can't find when the vote was
2001 The Terrorism Act 2000 (Proscribed Organisations) (Amendment) Order: Statutory instrument banning Al-Qa’ida in a statutory instrument, 6 months before 9/11
And they're from the ones you've listed. Not including stuff that Corbyn may have voted for that May didn't.
No, I don't think it does. I think it's selfish that you desert a party you've supported at the first sign they might want to help others by taxing you more. He jumped ship when Ed was around, not with Corbyn. Now he's in bed with the Tories, you don't think that's even a little selfish? He's all for supporting young enterprise when it comes to no expense of his own.
Hmm, what is the actual criminal charge I wonder? Something about dissemination of information? I could try to diversify my record tomorrow...
People are expecting 5 more years of May. What we are hoping is that she doesn't get a large majority.
If this were the extent of Labour's spending plans, along with the education policies outside of tuition fees, it would be a very realistic programme. Maybe a bit shaky in the long run with Brexit on the horizon, but doable over the next parliament. Goes a lot further though, even before you take into account beginning four arduous renationalisations that the civil service would have to undertake simultaneously to Brexit shenanigans. Another thing that hasn't really been talked about at all is keeping the pension age at 66, which is very expensive.
I doubt the nationalisation thing would begin overnight, we have a seriously heavy workload coming with Brexit and they'll be realistic about that, but at the same time its not going to be all consuming for the entire civil service.
Re the pension age, we do have an aging population but also an ever increasing amount of wealth in the country. It's always sold to us by the right as if the pot of available money is endlessly shrinking, and yet big business is booming. Those two things can't simultaneously be true.
Guessing your MP is Cryer?
Realistically we expect there to be five more years of May. Guess the margin of victory might lead to the "bitterness and nastiness" if it ends up being a whitewash.
All I ever think about when I see Sugar, is his facial hair is horrific. Either clean shave or grow a proper beard you scruffy cnut.
Fair arguments, and I'm not demonising anyone who votes Labour.
My opinion differs in that I think the business community (and related investment) would react disastrously to Labour's economic plans alongside a hard Brexit. The whole country would then be poorer and no party would be funding the NHS to the level I would want them to.
That's not to say in any way that I'm supporting the Tories' vision of Brexit or the wider economy. I want a credible Labour Party who support public services while providing the fundamentals to support economic growth. I imagine a number of people feel that the current leadership fail on the latter account.
Was Stella Creasy when I lived near you mate. Now in Vauxhall and it's Kate Hoey. I'll happily vote against her, the local Lib Dem seems a good egg too.
The real story of election night will be whether YouGov is hailed as the best polling company in the UK (1% chance), or never receives business again (99%).
The difference is the quantity of Tory twats has been consistent for the last few elections, annoying as they are. From personal experience the quantity of Labour hard line nut-jobs has multiplied hugely over the past several weeks and now outnumber the aforementioned Tories nut-jobs several times over. The last few weeks I've spoken to previously level-headed Labour supporters who were always somewhat balanced and even they have become much more militant and inward looking.
I'm very surprised and in my view it has nothing to do with Conservative policies. The Tory party 5 years ago were far more aggressive in terms of spending frugality, but during the Miliband campaign things were cordial in comparison. Therefore I can only deduct that the change in leadership and change in Labour strategy has centered around animosity and division.
Any level headed person realises that both parties are trying to do the best for as many people as they can with a different view of how to achieve it. In fact I believe the statistics posted several pages ago show that both manifesto's will have a similar effect on 90% of the population; with the Liberal Democrat manifesto being by far the most generous for the bottom 20%. I didn't want to post about specific policies but free tuition fee's for example are proven to benefit the middle classes far more than anyone else and at a cost into the tens of billions is a real waste of money to anyone who cares about the poor. Higher tuition fee's are one of the most progressive taxes we have with the majority of the upper and upper-middle classes going to University vs a minority of very poor people. It was clearly a cynical bribe to increase youth voter turnout at the expense of the poor.
Well, this isn't even close to the truth.
Whilst anecdotal, the arguments I am seeing all over the internet in favour of a Conservative vote actually relate to foreign policy and domestic terrorism. Overwhelmingly so.
Outside of this thread, I've not even seen a hint of the bolded train of thought anywhere. I simply don't believe if anyone tried to articulate that message even half as well that they would be met with a torrent of abuse. Leave the hyperbole at the door next time you enter the thread.
I wish I were being hyperbolic, but it genuinely isn't the case. I saw someone just this morning change their Facebook status to "voting Conservative". He didn't post any views, didn't try to change anyone else's mind and said nothing. Within an hour the comments section ran into the dozens which ranged from sheer disgust at how he was voting to literally stating that he must not understand what the parties stand for. The levels of condescension and revulsion caused him to delete the entire post within a few hours.
I have no objection to increased public spending but it needs to be effective, and I simply don't trust Corbyn and his frontbench to deliver on this. Secondly, it should be funded by a tax on wealth rather than income. Hammering someone earning 70k a year who can barely afford to buy a property is targeting the wrong people while many of the older generation (who rely more on the NHS) are sat on huge windfalls from property price rises over the last 30 years.
Indirect Taxes includes VAT which accounts for 17% about the same as National Insurance. Fuel, Tobacco and Alcohol taxes add another 7% to take the total to 24%
They can if you keep lowering Corporation Tax rates.....
Hopefully out of a cannon.
I hope all the people who 'can't vote Labour' make sure to explain them helping the Tories in the 'reasons for my vote' box, or they'll mistakenly take it as an endorsement of their policies.
No one on 70k a year is struggling to buy any available property.
Id rather it was wealth but thats seen by the right as taking away earned wealth more than income is. Income taxation is the best political choice imo, IHT is the actual best choice.
Doesn't know how to sit down on trains 
How far he has come.
Now by train though. Think he travels by car now to get a seat.
How far he has come.
Now by train though. Think he travels by car now to get a seat.
Ridiculous.
What was he expecting to happen?
He posted it intentionally on social media to get a reaction, it just so happens that it seems most of his friends lean towards Labour. If his list leant towards Tories he'd have a comments section full of people applauding his decision. And Vice versa if his voting intention was the opposite.
At the end of the day, he put it up to get either a reaction, or to get attention - and he got that.
If he was so intent letting everyone know that he was fulfilling his civil duties by voting he could have just put that he was voting on his fb, and no one needed to who for.
Or, if he didn't want a reaction he could have no said anything at all.
Social Media is driven by interaction, engagement & visibility. Anything you put out for others to view, like, share, comment on you do with the knowledge that they are free to agree with you, debate with you, share your thoughts & ideas etc.
You can't feign ignorance to this fact.
Inheritance Tax and Income tax are both needed for definite.
Inheritance tax is nice because, it's one thing you haven't earned.
But it's sad. There is no reason for Inheritance tax to be 40%... It should be 20% on everything apart from your main property. Crack down on trust funds and you're laughing
Just to be picky id highlight its 40% above your allowance excluding anything you're giving to charity. A fairly important point.
I have no sympathy for trust fund kids and I've known a few since ive moved south.
Corbyn is one removed from a parish priest. Take from the rich and give everything to the poor. Very honourable but what is the plan when there is no more to give? What is the plan when the tax-take plummets because business's bugger off to Ireland? What is the plan when Company's close because confidence disappears? How much money has he reserved in his 'calculations' for the massive upsurge in unemployment benefit?
This is populist rubbish that cannot be delivered without hocking the nation to the rafters in debt again. He has just reeled it out as eye-catching electioneering blurb without one jot of a clue as to how he can deliver on it. He couldn't even cite the numbers on his flagship Childcare policy. That is because the numbers don't matter - just sell the message. And it appears that loads on here have bought it.
Nice bloke, honourable sentiments and ideals.
Prime Minister?
You must be joking.
This is populist rubbish that cannot be delivered without hocking the nation to the rafters in debt again. He has just reeled it out as eye-catching electioneering blurb without one jot of a clue as to how he can deliver on it. He couldn't even cite the numbers on his flagship Childcare policy. That is because the numbers don't matter - just sell the message. And it appears that loads on here have bought it.
Nice bloke, honourable sentiments and ideals.
Prime Minister?
You must be joking.
Assuming 3x income mortgage, you won't get much for that in the London area (which is where the majority of younger people earning at that level live). Certainly not something justifying treatment as a fat cat high earner.
Well then they can move to the outskirts with everyone else who commutes in. Thats a choice not a necessity
More applicable to the Tory's manifesto than Labour's tbh.
Yeah, 40% above the allowance. But all the rich folk hate the fact it's 40%, and I agree with them. 40% is too high.
But the problem is they squirrel it away in their trust funds, so it has to be high.
If it was 20%, you could make that back in 3 years. I.e. let's say Madame Kelloggs has £100,000 in assets outside of the family home. It goes to her two kids, Mr Frosties and Mrs Cornflake. Each take £40k, which they put into their ISAs, over time.
Global markets increase by the average 7% a year. £40k turns into £49k after 3 years.
Did any of that happen before rates were cut? No one is moving to Dublin there isn't the skilled staff, we have a base there and struggle
Considering how much higher the UK's corporate tax is relative to Ireland already, why haven't they buggered off? If the proposed tax measures go ahead, the UK would still have quite a low level of corporation tax, and the reason they won't bugger off is because having a presence in the UK brings certain advantages which are outweighed by tax hikes (which are still low relative to other major industrial countries).
...pretty much.
Radagast vs. The Mouth of Sauron. (Tehe, identity politics, I'm such a lefty)
How so?
That's not true in a whole swathe of London tbf.
What is the cap for social care?
When corporation tax was cut the tax-take went up.
Such a myth. Load of hot air and not very honest of you John.
Like I said before, businesses would prefer to pay more in corporation tax than a hard brexit with no access to the free market.