General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time
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I wasn't being entirely serious, just trying to find a tenuous link between Brexit and the last Labour government.
You have inspired me to waste the last 45 minutes.
With some reason, perhaps -
Corbyn's voting record on important Security debates in the Commons....
Those he voted against...
1984 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act: Outlawed NI terror groups.
1985 Updating the Prevention of Terrorism Act 1974: Gave emergency powers to police forces to quiz terror suspects travelling between Northern Ireland and Great Britain
1989 Elected Authorities (Northern Ireland) Act 1989: Law that requires candidates for election in local and Northern Ireland Assembly to declare they will never support terrorism
1989 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act: Banned support for the IRA and Irish National Liberation Army
1989 Security Service Act: Established legal basis of the UK Security Service for the first time – giving security services the function of protecting the UK from terrorism
1991 Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions): Allowed police to search sites for weapons and arms
1996 Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act: Banned possession of items for terrorists
1998 Criminal Justice (Terrorism and Conspiracy) Act: Stricter punishment for being a member of terror group following the Omagh bombing
2000 Terrorism Act: Redefined terrorism and gave police stop and search powers
2001 The Terrorism Act 2000 (Proscribed Organisations) (Amendment) Order: Statutory instrument banning Al-Qa’ida in a statutory instrument, 6 months before 9/11
2001 Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act: Following 9/11, indefinite holding without charge of suspects who cannot be deported.
2005 Prevention of Terrorism Act: Gave the Home Secretary the power to impose control orders on terror suspects
2006 Terrorism Act: Outlawed the “glorification” of terror following 7/7 bombings
2008 Counter-Terrorism Act: Banned communication of sensitive details about Armed Forces
2011 Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act: Replaced control orders with new powers to restrict the movement of suspects who could not be prosecuted or deported
2013 Justice and Security Act: Allowed secret hearings in courts on issues of national security
2014 Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act: Gave police emergency access to phone and internet records
And the two he abstained on:
2003 Criminal Justice Act: Modernising the criminal justice system, allows offences to be tried by a judge sitting alone without a jury
2016 Investigatory Powers Bill: To allow the bulk interception of communications, equipment interference, subject to certain safeguards.
Stress is often a trigger for illness, but please continue your crusade mr.dailymail.
May has fecked this up so hard. A few months ago, Labour were there for the taking.
She just seems so complacent.
She just seems so complacent.
As a Eurosceptic of some years standing, i must beg to differ. The EU Con, Lisbon Treaty and resultant lies over referenda, played a significant role in the sovereignty argument. Moreover, holding a vote back then could've lanced the boil if you will.
There was also the total fiasco of accession states to the EU, with Labour estimating that just 13,000 would move to Britain. The ensuing debate then became dangerously polarised and the government lost the trust of many voters.
OK...
But hardly a DailyHateMail reader....I'd prefer you call me a LFC supporter than accuse me of being a DailyHateMail reader....
Largely agree, although the media has played it's part
Reported to mods....
Well, that's unfortunately how you're coming across on this page.
My Dad suffered from long term illness so I can relate and it can be an utter feck. It was also the cause of his death. Hope she's ok.
You may not be a cnut, but you're being one at the moment. Diane Abbott is someone's mother, daughter, sister, wife, etc. She's genuinely ill and you're here trying to score political points by belittling that fact.
I wish that bottom sentence was better written
I hope the mods just call that ''Saying Something You Might Think But Probably Shouldn't Say'' Contest a draw & we can forget it happened eh?
You could both delete for instance - show a bit of willing.
(just an idea)
You could both delete for instance - show a bit of willing.
(just an idea)
Exasperation messes with your syntax!
A truly awful post, absolute awful.
Person 1 is just playing Price is Right rules, not one millilitre over.
In defence of those questioning whether she is ill:
- She was on Sky News yesterday
- There have been lots of rumours that Corbyn was under pressure to remove her.
- On Sky News yesterday, she was repeatedly (like 10 times) asked if Corbyn was about to remove her, whether she had been gagged with by her own party, whether she ran her bookings past her own party first, whether the party was exasperated by her not running her own bookings past the party and making a fool out of herself...
- It's the day before the General Election
- She said she wasn't planning on stepping aside yesterday
- She said she didn't know if Corbyn would pick her as Home Secretary
- She was on Sky News yesterday
- There have been lots of rumours that Corbyn was under pressure to remove her.
- On Sky News yesterday, she was repeatedly (like 10 times) asked if Corbyn was about to remove her, whether she had been gagged with by her own party, whether she ran her bookings past her own party first, whether the party was exasperated by her not running her own bookings past the party and making a fool out of herself...
- It's the day before the General Election
- She said she wasn't planning on stepping aside yesterday
- She said she didn't know if Corbyn would pick her as Home Secretary
Exactly, so Person 1 who was clearly a mathematician and the smartest person in the room, recognized his or her lack of knowledge about estimating volumes and went for the smart choice. My hero.
OK....If she's genuinely ill, then I hope she'll make a full recovery from whatever it is that she's suffering from....
I'm not sure why that's awful....That's how this seems to several million people....Maybe if she was to come on TV or radio herself and explain....
Agreed about mother, daughter, etc....If she is ill, then sad and worrying for them - but I'm not belittling her for her illness, just her frequent displays of incompetence and shocked outrage OVER THE YEARS, not just this past couple of weeks....
If you feel that I'm being overly critical on here, you should read what those who are trying to defend us from terrorism / Putin / etc have to say....
And then tell me again that I'm unsensitive.
https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/dianne-abbott.259211/
Questioning her is fine. Questioning the diagnosis of her having a long term illness isn't ok and simply makes the person in question look like a complete... *insert word here*.
Worth pointing out that severe stress can be a pretty debilitating illness of itself.
That's largely irrelevant as a reply to the post above. That's not to say that these things aren't important drivers of euroscepticism, but that the electorate as a whole cared little about Europe until the Conservatives got in to power. Throughout their time in power Europe became a bigger issue but levelled out as a relatively fringe issue: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.n...rs-Issues(2)-Most-important-issues-280415.pdf (The increase in July 2011 coincides with the European Act 2011)
Although there was a dedicated and vocal minority that cared deeply about Britain's relationship with Europe and made a lot of noise about it it wasn't a mainstream opinion until the right wing fringe of the Conservative party kicked up enough of a fuss to worry Cameron into offering a referendum to try and kick them back down. You may well argue that that was a good thing for the reasons you've outlined above, but that doesn't translate into Europe being an issue that the electorate as a whole really cared about. There wasn't really a boil to lance (to borrow your analogy) until one was created years after those events. Like it or lump it the general electorate rarely cares as much about the issues that we care about until they are told to.
Even then, I would argue that the electorate as a whole is not eurosceptic in the way you would like to portray it and that the Brexit vote was largely driven by issues that are not EU specific, but as part of a general anti-establishment/anti-immigration tilt based off of (misguided) economic concerns
I'd agree. If you'd asked the majority of the electorate, both Remain and Leave, what the Lisbon Treaty entailed, I suspect a solid half of them would've probably never heard of it before. Similarly, I expect a very, very large portion of the electorate would be unable to describe/explain the inner workings of the EU.
Oohh, that's interesting.Really hope those feelings on security are widespread, I've been worried the attacks would kill off his campaign.
Was optimistic that the Lib Dems could take back my constituency of Cheltenham from the Tories tomorrow, but having seen the views of many young people here they're refusing to vote Lib Dem instead of sticking with Labour, so I'm struggling to see it happening.
Labour have no hope here. They have never won here. These people are living in dream land.
Labour have no hope here. They have never won here. These people are living in dream land.
I full expect a Tory majority still but what a clusterfeck that last couple of weeks have been for the Tories. Corbyn will have picked up votes merely for not being a robot politician who can actually talk to people. May has hidden away with a couple of 3/4 word slogans. Pathetic.
Let's say you get 3 people in a room, and gave them all a quiz question.
Question: How many Litres does this tank hold
It's a hard question. The human brain does not deal with large numbers well at all, and the cylindrical shape makes things more difficult. There is also little sense of scale. Still nonetheless, everyone gives it their best shot.
Person 1 goes first. He has no idea what a litre is, so says 100 litres. Everyone else laughs.
Person 2 goes next. He thinks about it for a long time and then says 1 million litres. Person 1 goes a bit pale in the face.
Person 3 divides the two and says 500,000 litres, confident that Person 1 was over, but not way over.
The quiz master reveals the answer; 100,000 litres.
Everyone stops to think for a second before releasing that Person 1 has won. He's only 99,900 litres out. Person 3 is next closest being 400,000 litres out.
But if you stop to think about it, it's obvious that Person 2 and Person 3 were a lot closer than Person 1. Person 1 had no concept of what a Litre even was.
There are two ways to deal with this; percentages and orders of magnitude.
As a percentage, Person 1 was 99.9% out. Person 3 was 80% out. But Person 1 argues Person 3 wasn't 80% out, but 400% out.
The better way to deal with this is with orders of magnitude. Person 1 was 3 orders of magnitude out, Person 3 less than one order of magnitude out (0.69)
None of this has anything to do with the General Election, other than to say, Diane Abbott's an idiot. I try to defend her, we all have off days, (Barack Obama said he was a Muslim when he had a cold). But there is a non insignificant difference in saying something costs 50000 times less than it will do, and getting a single digit wrong.
I love robocop.Not sure you have to be the world's most cynical person to find the timing and vagueness of the explanation of the Diane Abbott story interesting.
Must admit i'm in a similar position here. I have to vote Lib Dem given they're the closest challenger to Tory but at the same time I want to vote Labour. Tough choice to be honest.
And even those that do understand what the European Parliament is, probably don't know what the council of ministers is (which really should have been it's name). I've had people complain to my face that the EU isn't a democracy because the European Council has all the power... despite members of the European Council or Council of Ministers also being elected.
I can sympathise not wanting to vote against the party you want to, but sadly here Labour just have no hope whatsoever, you may as well not show up. We are lucky enough to be in a position where we can take a seat off of the Tories though. I just always feel like you have to pick your battles and we do actually have a way to make a difference here.
Plus the Lib Dem MP candidate was our MP for many years previously and he's a good guy and knows the town well.
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The YouGov model has been updated.
https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/
Also the final call poll by YouGov for The Times will be out tonight.
https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/
Also the final call poll by YouGov for The Times will be out tonight.
If it is any concilation i am in the opposite position. Want to vote Liberal but have to vote Labour in a very marginal seat against the Tories.
What dig?They can't even report on that without getting a dig in
Utterly paranoid
Ask them the name of their constituency MEP - almost nobody in the UK knows the answer.
But that's for a different thread....