That's ageist....
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That's ageist....
Was a bit like Brexit. The old dinosaurs destroying the country for the youth. But hey, that's another story for another day.
So is that....
It is rather odd that those three in particular get away with such little criticism, given the obsession with accuracy Diane Abbott's critics have isn't it?
Problem was, Diane Abbott's was a car crash. She got it wrong again, and again, and again, and again. She was orders of magnitude out. And she kept changing her figures. And then saying she hadn't said them.
Gove just didn't know the £1000/£2000 figure. He was called out in it, but it still wasn't that bad, he was in the right ball park (a bit cringey though)
Hammond said 32 instead of 52.
Mitchell's was awful, but he isn't in the cabinet.
Diane Abbott was 'orders of magnitude out'. Hammond was just the £20BILLION off.
Do you know what an order of magnitude is?
A pretty crap excuse by the looks of it.
ChristFair point.....
But in her case, it's been pretty obvious for years that even if she is a good local, constituency MP, she couldn't run a whelk stall let alone a Government Ministry.
Feck off back to Ireland.
Yeah. It isn't as if Hammond is Chancellor of the Exchequer having previously been Secretary of State for Transport so he'd have no reason not to know the cost of the country's biggest transport project.
I might have to if yer wan continues with her 'no deal is better than a bad deal' bollox.
There really aren't any excuses for the imbalance of reporting on mistakes between Labour and the Tories. None
Let's say you get 3 people in a room, and gave them all a quiz question.
Question: How many Litres does this tank hold
It's a hard question. The human brain does not deal with large numbers well at all, and the cylindrical shape makes things more difficult. There is also little sense of scale. Still nonetheless, everyone gives it their best shot.
Person 1 goes first. He has no idea what a litre is, so says 100 litres. Everyone else laughs.
Person 2 goes next. He thinks about it for a long time and then says 1 million litres. Person 1 goes a bit pale in the face.
Person 3 divides the two and says 500,000 litres, confident that Person 1 was over, but not way over.
The quiz master reveals the answer; 100,000 litres.
Everyone stops to think for a second before realising that Person 1 has won. He's only 99,900 litres out. Person 3 is next closest being 400,000 litres out.
But if you stop to think about it, it's obvious that Person 2 and Person 3 were a lot closer intellectually than Person 1. Person 1 had no concept of what a Litre even was.
There are two ways to deal with this; percentages and orders of magnitude.
As a percentage, Person 1 was 99.9% out. Person 3 was 80% out. But Person 1 argues Person 3 wasn't 80% out, but 400% out.
The better way to deal with this is with orders of magnitude. Person 1 was 3 orders of magnitude out, Person 3 less than one order of magnitude out (0.69)
None of this has anything to do with the General Election, other than to say, Diane Abbott's an idiot. I try to defend her, we all have off days, (Barack Obama said he was a Muslim when he had a cold). But there is a non insignificant difference in saying something costs 50000 times less than it will do, and getting a single digit wrong.
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No they weren't, Person 1 was closer than either of them. The question didn't ask for an explanation of what a litre was, it asked for the volume of the tank. It might be the result of blind luck, but it doesn't invalidate Person 1's answer being closest.
I'd also call this a good example of the importance of humility. Person 2 and 3 believed their understanding of what a litre and volume were was considerably more accurate than Person 1. It turns out they were extremely mistaken. If 100 litres seems like a ridiculous answer when the tank holds 100,000 litres, then guessing 400,000 litres more (or indeed 900,000) shows that they also don't know what a litre is, and more so than Person 1.
I would describe 'orders of magnitude' as predicting the new policing costs at £300,000 when she meant £300,000,000. Now it's one thing quickly correcting yourself and saying 'sorry I meant millions'. It's a totally different thing genuinely not having a clue and going for interim guess figure of £80,000,000. She's an embarrassment to the party. It's really not too much to ask for politicians just to do a tiny bit of homework and have their figures at least in the ball park. Her interview with Murnaghan was some of the cringiest television I have ever seen. There is absolutely no political world in which she should be playing a part.
I agree that there is a Tory bias within the media however I also think that Labour voters would be quite happy to see it the other way around. At the next election (assuming May, if elected makes a hash of her term) if the media back Labour the same people complaining now will be celebrating.
I will be voting Conservative because I still believe the biggest issues facing this country can be traced back to a Labour government and I don't see why they should be given the chance to fix their feck-ups.
I agree that there is a Tory bias within the media however I also think that Labour voters would be quite happy to see it the other way around. At the next election (assuming May, if elected makes a hash of her term) if the media back Labour the same people complaining now will be celebrating.
I will be voting Conservative because I still believe the biggest issues facing this country can be traced back to a Labour government and I don't see why they should be given the chance to fix their feck-ups.
Let's say you get 3 people in a room, and gave them all a quiz question.
Question: How many Litres does this tank hold
It's a hard question. The human brain does not deal with large numbers well at all, and the cylindrical shape makes things more difficult. There is also little sense of scale. Still nonetheless, everyone gives it their best shot.
Person 1 goes first. He has no idea what a litre is, so says 100 litres. Everyone else laughs.
Person 2 goes next. He thinks about it for a long time and then says 1 million litres. Person 1 goes a bit pale in the face.
Person 3 divides the two and says 500,000 litres, confident that Person 1 was over, but not way over.
The quiz master reveals the answer; 100,000 litres.
Everyone stops to think for a second before releasing that Person 1 has won. He's only 99,900 litres out. Person 3 is next closest being 400,000 litres out.
But if you stop to think about it, it's obvious that Person 2 and Person 3 were a lot closer than Person 1. Person 1 had no concept of what a Litre even was.
There are two ways to deal with this; percentages and orders of magnitude.
As a percentage, Person 1 was 99.9% out. Person 3 was 80% out. But Person 1 argues Person 3 wasn't 80% out, but 400% out.
The better way to deal with this is with orders of magnitude. Person 1 was 3 orders of magnitude out, Person 3 less than one order of magnitude out (0.69)
None of this has anything to do with the General Election, other than to say, Diane Abbott's an idiot. I try to defend her, we all have off days, (Barack Obama said he was a Muslim when he had a cold). But there is a non insignificant difference in saying something costs 50000 times less than it will do, and getting a single digit wrong.
Person 1 is also right because there ain't no way you're getting that tank to hold 500,000 or a million litres. You're going to end up looking stupid even trying to get that much in. And proper wet too, probably.
Diane Abbott's an idiot.
She's also a bit of a liar as well - only 'ill' when it suits her.
Remember when she ' had a migraine ' during the BREXIT vote, but was seen drinking in the Commons Bar ?
And the other day, 'too ill' to appear on a radio programme but was photographed in an underground station less than five minutes walk from the studio ?
Only on the Opposition Front Bench because she was Crobyn's bed partner in their youth and he owes her.
Yeah, supposedly she's been diagnosed with a serious long-term underlying condition. I tend to side with the person who is ill rather than assume they are lying cretins.
Like Brexit?
No. The tank could well have held 500,000 litres. It would only have had to be about twice as tall. It's not a crazy answer
For it to hold 1000 litres, it would have been smaller than a human
Well ya will sign that Lisbon Treaty!
Let's say you get 3 people in a room, and gave them all a quiz question.
Question: How many Litres does this tank hold
It's a hard question. The human brain does not deal with large numbers well at all, and the cylindrical shape makes things more difficult. There is also little sense of scale. Still nonetheless, everyone gives it their best shot.
Person 1 goes first. He has no idea what a litre is, so says 100 litres. Everyone else laughs.
Person 2 goes next. He thinks about it for a long time and then says 1 million litres. Person 1 goes a bit pale in the face.
Person 3 divides the two and says 500,000 litres, confident that Person 1 was over, but not way over.
The quiz master reveals the answer; 100,000 litres.
Everyone stops to think for a second before releasing that Person 1 has won. He's only 99,900 litres out. Person 3 is next closest being 400,000 litres out.
But if you stop to think about it, it's obvious that Person 2 and Person 3 were a lot closer than Person 1. Person 1 had no concept of what a Litre even was.
There are two ways to deal with this; percentages and orders of magnitude.
As a percentage, Person 1 was 99.9% out. Person 3 was 80% out. But Person 1 argues Person 3 wasn't 80% out, but 400% out.
The better way to deal with this is with orders of magnitude. Person 1 was 3 orders of magnitude out, Person 3 less than one order of magnitude out (0.69)
None of this has anything to do with the General Election, other than to say, Diane Abbott's an idiot. I try to defend her, we all have off days, (Barack Obama said he was a Muslim when he had a cold). But there is a non insignificant difference in saying something costs 50000 times less than it will do, and getting a single digit wrong.
I can only applaud your commitment there.Do hope Diane's okay though.
Yet he was closest, and they weren't.
"Diane Abbott has been diagnosed with “a serious, long-term condition”, Barry Gardiner, the shadow international trade secretary, has told the Huffington Post."
So you're voting for the party that has nearly doubled the debt. That'll show 'em. The party of 6.8p breakfasts and a Home Secretary that claims the average police officers wage is £40,000 is the only logical choice.Or this, which is/ was only partially a 'joke'
Brexit had very little to do with the Lisbon Treaty, it was a split on the Tory right and Cameron gambled the country's future on a referendum to consolidate his position.
Economically speaking, Labour's record is fine (despite the biggest financial collapse in history, which wasn't of Labour's making).Or this, which is/ was only partially a 'joke'
Much as I / we might moan about Abbott's incompetence, it seems fairly innocuous compared to her often bad tempered replacement -
http://www.conservativehome.com/lef...-taken-to-discipline-labour-mp-lyn-brown.html
No - I'm not a conservative voter, but succinctly explains what I'm going on about....
And just to add - she actually resigned from Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet last year saying that his position of Labour Leader was ' untenable '....
http://www.conservativehome.com/lef...-taken-to-discipline-labour-mp-lyn-brown.html
No - I'm not a conservative voter, but succinctly explains what I'm going on about....
And just to add - she actually resigned from Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet last year saying that his position of Labour Leader was ' untenable '....
If the quiz was to be the closest, then of course Person 1 has won.
But I didn't say that, I asked how much it held.
There are any number of ways you could score such a competition, but the worst way would be to go for a pure "who is the closest method", if you want people to guess accurately.
The furthest you can be away by guessing under, is 100%. There is no upper limit on how far you can be away if you guess over.
"Diane Abbott has been diagnosed with “a serious, long-term condition”, Barry Gardiner, the shadow international trade secretary, has told the Huffington Post."
But which only seems to affect her when it suits her....
Good lad.
And an expert told her she had an illness and we all know how anti-Britain they are!
How many stars are there in the milky way galaxy?
Diane Abbott; well about 4.
Phillip Hammond; err, 1 trillion.
Surprisingly Diane Abbott has won!
Diane Abbott; well about 4.
Phillip Hammond; err, 1 trillion.
Surprisingly Diane Abbott has won!
Indeed.
Yeah well, seems to me that Hammond, the great big wally, is idiotically confusing it with the neighbouring Andromeda Galaxy which reputedly (wiki) does have 1 trillion stars. It must have been cloudy when Diane was looking.
Crikey! Is she that good?