DenisIrwin
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#LastMinuteCorbynSmears beginning to trend on twitter
#LastMinuteCorbynSmears beginning to trend on twitter
They're not that much less intelligent than plenty of older adults voting Tory that can't name any Labour policies they actually dislike.
Wow, Murdoch is really shitting himself.
Don't think Corb has the Sun's backing
Dacre joins in
Now there's a surprise, not wanting to contribute more to pay for health of the country,I don't care for the income tax hike that will hit my wife.
I got the impression that was by design - run a Presidential campaign but minimise errors by mainly hiding from the public. It's only Rudd, May, Fallon and Boris I've seen. Though feck knows how Boris made it into that select group.I know we talk about May (and her campaigning shortcomings) a lot, but is she actually getting any help by senior Tory figures? I'm limited to sky news and online coverage so I'm possibly missing huge amounts of the campaign, but the only cabinet member I saw more of than usually is Amber Rudd. Philip Hammond, Elizabeth Truss, Justine Greening, David Davis, Liam Fox and the likes have hardly been out there banging the drum for May. Are they hoping for a smaller than expected majority to replace her?
He deserves credit anyway. A snap election was called because Tories thought it would be a landslide regardless - that's obvious because of how unprepared they are to run their own campaign. They hadn't got a clue what they were really offering and that's why it's been a flurry of contradictions.If Corbyn's performance is as good as some of the polls suggest he'll deserve a lot of credit. That said if it isn't why do I get the feeling the blame will be deflected to anyone but him?
It's all set up for 'It's all Jeremy's hard work!' or 'fecking media!'
Why do you read them? In fact why are there so many links to shitty rags on this forum in general?I hate them so much. What fecking cnuts.
When the Tories start heavily regulating the press, they will have earned it.
In this slow-motion car crash of a General Election campaign, there have been few sights more tragic than that of grizzled, greying Labour people pleading with the young to vote for them. Even Diane Abbott’s dumbfounded face on every political show on the box and Tim Farron’s wobbly expression every time a member of the public asks him why he hates Brexit have been no match for these political versions of sad old uncles in skinny jeans creepily cosying up to yoof.
How I’ve winced. They’ve all been at it. There was Armando Iannucci, funnyman turned another boring Tory-fearer, who got a gazillion retweets when he said he was getting down on his ‘gnarled and brittle knees’ to beg 18-to-24-year-olds to vote.
There was Paul Mason (poor Paul, reduced to donning a leather jacket to try to disguise how establishment he’s become). He made a videoaddressing the youth of the nation. Your voice will be ‘decisive’, he told them. It will help save Britain from fogey Tories and their nasty, hard Brexit. It was like a hostage video, desperate and pleading, those wide eyes secretly saying: ‘Britain is being held captive by old farts who refuse to vote Labour. SAVE US.’
There’s Emily Thornberry, who sent an email out yesterday begging the young to get out and vote. It is only the young who can ‘stop a Tory victory’, she said. It was a shocking insight into how reliant Labour has become on the young. The party of the working-class is now the party of students and twentysomething urbanites whose only experience of labour is that time they invited their friends round to help them assemble an Ikea shelf.
And there’s Owen Jones, who isn’t grizzled or grey but he is in his thirties, which isn’t young. He used to make fairly sensible criticisms of generational politics, of the ‘generational jihad’ of recent years that has pitted apparently right-on, nice young people against that evil blue-rinse brigade who want it to be 1952 forever. But he’s now so desperate for Jezza to do well that he’s started to play the awful, divisive game of imploring youth to save us from dodgy, Tory-loving oldsters.
He’s also encouraging them to ‘Call your grand folks’ and tell them to vote Labour. I hope these people’s grans and granddads give them a bloody good talking-to. In the 11 months since Brexit, youthful, leftish EU-lovers have been droning on about how ‘angry old people’ have ruined the country and killed their dreams. Some even flirted with the ideaof taking the vote away from these wrinkly wreckers of the political order. And now they’re phoning to ask them for their vote? A firm ‘bugger off’ is in order.
This turn to the young, this bending of gnarled and brittle knees at the altar of the youth vote, is both revealing and disturbing. It’s revealing because it confirms Labour and the left more broadly have largely given up on older people. Which means — no offence, young people — it has given up on wiser and more experienced people, on those who are harder to convince because they’ve been round the block and know a thing or two about life and politics.
How much easier it is to win over the 22-year-old tweeter who thinks in binary terms of Evil Tory and Saint Jezza than to convince the 58-year-old bloke who’s worked for decades, raised kids, built a home, seen politicians’ promises melt into air. The former can be energised with a snappy slogan; the latter requires rather more. Labour’s crawling to the young is really an admission of defeat — defeat of its entire historic purpose, which was not to appeal to any specific generation but to represent those who labour for a living, who are working-class. The left’s new politics of youth represents a stunning and quite craven abandonment of its old politics of class.
And the turn to the young is disturbing because it promises to store up deep divisions for the years ahead. It plays off an emerging generational divide on political matters — especially Brexit, which older voters love and younger voters loathe — and it threatens to intensify it too.
Consider the utter contempt with which old people are talked about these days. The media sneering at ‘angry old men’; the casual assertion that they plunged Britain into mayhem by voting Brexit; Ian McEwan’s repugnant fantasising about a second EU referendum in a few years’ time when 1.5m of that ‘gang of angry old men’ who voted Brexit will be ‘freshly in their graves’… it’s hard to remember a time when hatred for the old was so public, and so visceral. And Labour’s call on the youth to save us from the Tories and Brexit, which means from the old, will make this worse. This is how desperate they are to do well on Thursday: they’re happy to risk deepening the gravest social tension of our time in order to get a few more seats. Shame on them.
I don't read them. They're worthy of comment as so many people in the country do read them and they often set the terms of the debate.Why do you read them? In fact why are there so many links to shitty rags on this forum in general?
That's largely the fault of the Tories for being characteristically vague on it if we're fair.
But yeah in general, pensioners are the last people I'm basing my vote on after their protection from cuts over the past seven years (the left used to complain about that, with some justification). I get that its being doing for political purposes, but jesus.
That's so bad all-round it reads like a wind-up.Spectator article that I'm sure will annoy many on here:
Found a bit of time.Do explain more when you get the chance mate. I've moved the other way on him, significantly more impressed than I was 12 months ago.
Spectator article that I'm sure will annoy many on here:
Found a bit of time.
Firstly this irritated me at the time:
Chuka uses the occasion to push his own agenda. But I can look past this, as Ken made a rod for his own back. As for being leader, Chuka flirted with the idea but bowed out owing to pressure (iirc). He's never given me the impression of being anything other than insubstantial. When the election was called and most Labour MPs rallied to the cause, Chuka was on This Week criticising his own party leader. It was deft criticism, but enough to separate himself from the process. Now that the polls have narrowed, he's nowhere to be seen.
My overall impression of the man is that he presents a cool facade but that there isn't much behind it. The English Obama, to reignite his Wiki controversy, but the only similarity being that both are black. Obama was light years ahead in substance.
I'd instinctively prefer Cooper or Lewis.
Really? Wonder what sort of debate "Hitlers bus found on the moon" would have generated? I think that was the sunday sports first ever headline.I don't read them. They're worthy of comment as so many people in the country do read them and they often set the terms of the debate.
I think he's cabinet material, as in terms of PR, he's one of the best Labour has. But, he needs a few years handling a substantial brief imo, before I can judge him correctly.Fair enough. He's also very young, and I appreciate that he's one of the few in the party who hasn't remained silent on the idiocy of Brexit post-referendum (clearly this is aided by the views of his constituency). I'm interested to see how his career progresses.
Cooper's started positioning herself for a leadership bid by the way. If JC gets less than c230 seats I think the battle for the party will be restarted, very very quickly.
Spectator article that I'm sure will annoy many on here:
It led me to this, which I think is the single most ignorant thing I've ever read.
Hitler wants to replace nationalism with globalism apparently. And Stalin is famous as an isolationist in opposition to the communist tradition and Trotsky.
We contribute more than most as it is and have no kids and use private healthcare in the main, so we're not burdens, but massive net contributors.Now there's a surprise, not wanting to contribute more to pay for health of the country,