General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
#LastMinuteCorbynSmears beginning to trend on twitter

It led me to this, which I think is the single most ignorant thing I've ever read.


Hitler wants to replace nationalism with globalism apparently. And Stalin is famous as an isolationist in opposition to the communist tradition and Trotsky.
 
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Corbyn is the man. He is Hope.
 
They're not that much less intelligent than plenty of older adults voting Tory that can't name any Labour policies they actually dislike.

However the older voters do have the benefit of experience and remembering the mess the last couple of Labour governments left behind. They don't need to list off specific policies.
 
Telegraph this morning

Special Branch monitored Jeremy Corbyn for 20 years amid fears he was 'undermining democracy'

Diane Abbott also had a file open on her during the period in the same “subversive” category
 
I know we talk about May (and her campaigning shortcomings) a lot, but is she actually getting any help by senior Tory figures? I'm limited to sky news and online coverage so I'm possibly missing huge amounts of the campaign, but the only cabinet member I saw more of than usually is Amber Rudd. Philip Hammond, Elizabeth Truss, Justine Greening, David Davis, Liam Fox and the likes have hardly been out there banging the drum for May. Are they hoping for a smaller than expected majority to replace her?
 
Lynton Crosby's campaigning technique is to choose a message, hammer away at it & tune out distractions from it & tune out other 'noise'. So I would presume the Brexit trustworthiness & Theresa May her self was all he thought that they needed. Events have intervened a little bit, obviously. And there was TM not being very good, but they've never been far away. Strong & stable got rested for something else equally facile I can't remember, but that's about it, isn't it?

Oh he had Johnson & Rudd do a bit of the dirty stuff didn't he - working over Corbyn as the doomsday alternative to these twats.

Crosby got knighted & is a milionaire consultant for formulating this shite.
 
I know we talk about May (and her campaigning shortcomings) a lot, but is she actually getting any help by senior Tory figures? I'm limited to sky news and online coverage so I'm possibly missing huge amounts of the campaign, but the only cabinet member I saw more of than usually is Amber Rudd. Philip Hammond, Elizabeth Truss, Justine Greening, David Davis, Liam Fox and the likes have hardly been out there banging the drum for May. Are they hoping for a smaller than expected majority to replace her?
I got the impression that was by design - run a Presidential campaign but minimise errors by mainly hiding from the public. It's only Rudd, May, Fallon and Boris I've seen. Though feck knows how Boris made it into that select group. :lol:
 
If Corbyn's performance is as good as some of the polls suggest he'll deserve a lot of credit. That said if it isn't why do I get the feeling the blame will be deflected to anyone but him?

It's all set up for 'It's all Jeremy's hard work!' or 'fecking media!'
 
Voted Labour in my postal vote already. Unfortunately now I live in an area that's been a Tory seat since the day it was created.

The general principle of pinching the top to subsidise public services for all is something I agree with. Corporation tax increases are the right thing to do, and the proposed increase in income tax won't hurt the tax bill too much proportionally to pay.

I've long thought one of the real issues in this country is our inability to look after our own bodies. Increasing NHS demand on things like self-inflicted heart desease and diabetics (to name just two) is the single biggest strain on a system that is slowly collapsing. How we fix that I don't know, but education to youth has to be key - which is impossible when every school in the country under the tories will have reduced funding and reduced teachers.

Just some of the reasons for my vote.
 
If Corbyn's performance is as good as some of the polls suggest he'll deserve a lot of credit. That said if it isn't why do I get the feeling the blame will be deflected to anyone but him?

It's all set up for 'It's all Jeremy's hard work!' or 'fecking media!'
He deserves credit anyway. A snap election was called because Tories thought it would be a landslide regardless - that's obvious because of how unprepared they are to run their own campaign. They hadn't got a clue what they were really offering and that's why it's been a flurry of contradictions.

Corbyn, and Labour in general, with the exception of a few individuals have been largely consistent and very resilient to challenge on their manifesto. The two parties have been worlds apart in the last few weeks, and the polls reflect that. Whether the gap was just too big to overcome is another story.
 
When the Tories start heavily regulating the press, they will have earned it.

They're working with he press, it's why they are so desperate to help them. Obviously there is the Leveson 2 stuff but beyond that, the internet censorship stuff outlines a pledge to take power back from Google and Facebook. That's something the print press would absolutely love.
 
Spectator article that I'm sure will annoy many on here:

In this slow-motion car crash of a General Election campaign, there have been few sights more tragic than that of grizzled, greying Labour people pleading with the young to vote for them. Even Diane Abbott’s dumbfounded face on every political show on the box and Tim Farron’s wobbly expression every time a member of the public asks him why he hates Brexit have been no match for these political versions of sad old uncles in skinny jeans creepily cosying up to yoof.

How I’ve winced. They’ve all been at it. There was Armando Iannucci, funnyman turned another boring Tory-fearer, who got a gazillion retweets when he said he was getting down on his ‘gnarled and brittle knees’ to beg 18-to-24-year-olds to vote.

There was Paul Mason (poor Paul, reduced to donning a leather jacket to try to disguise how establishment he’s become). He made a videoaddressing the youth of the nation. Your voice will be ‘decisive’, he told them. It will help save Britain from fogey Tories and their nasty, hard Brexit. It was like a hostage video, desperate and pleading, those wide eyes secretly saying: ‘Britain is being held captive by old farts who refuse to vote Labour. SAVE US.’

There’s Emily Thornberry, who sent an email out yesterday begging the young to get out and vote. It is only the young who can ‘stop a Tory victory’, she said. It was a shocking insight into how reliant Labour has become on the young. The party of the working-class is now the party of students and twentysomething urbanites whose only experience of labour is that time they invited their friends round to help them assemble an Ikea shelf.

And there’s Owen Jones, who isn’t grizzled or grey but he is in his thirties, which isn’t young. He used to make fairly sensible criticisms of generational politics, of the ‘generational jihad’ of recent years that has pitted apparently right-on, nice young people against that evil blue-rinse brigade who want it to be 1952 forever. But he’s now so desperate for Jezza to do well that he’s started to play the awful, divisive game of imploring youth to save us from dodgy, Tory-loving oldsters.

He’s also encouraging them to ‘Call your grand folks’ and tell them to vote Labour. I hope these people’s grans and granddads give them a bloody good talking-to. In the 11 months since Brexit, youthful, leftish EU-lovers have been droning on about how ‘angry old people’ have ruined the country and killed their dreams. Some even flirted with the ideaof taking the vote away from these wrinkly wreckers of the political order. And now they’re phoning to ask them for their vote? A firm ‘bugger off’ is in order.

This turn to the young, this bending of gnarled and brittle knees at the altar of the youth vote, is both revealing and disturbing. It’s revealing because it confirms Labour and the left more broadly have largely given up on older people. Which means — no offence, young people — it has given up on wiser and more experienced people, on those who are harder to convince because they’ve been round the block and know a thing or two about life and politics.

How much easier it is to win over the 22-year-old tweeter who thinks in binary terms of Evil Tory and Saint Jezza than to convince the 58-year-old bloke who’s worked for decades, raised kids, built a home, seen politicians’ promises melt into air. The former can be energised with a snappy slogan; the latter requires rather more. Labour’s crawling to the young is really an admission of defeat — defeat of its entire historic purpose, which was not to appeal to any specific generation but to represent those who labour for a living, who are working-class. The left’s new politics of youth represents a stunning and quite craven abandonment of its old politics of class.

And the turn to the young is disturbing because it promises to store up deep divisions for the years ahead. It plays off an emerging generational divide on political matters — especially Brexit, which older voters love and younger voters loathe — and it threatens to intensify it too.

Consider the utter contempt with which old people are talked about these days. The media sneering at ‘angry old men’; the casual assertion that they plunged Britain into mayhem by voting Brexit; Ian McEwan’s repugnant fantasising about a second EU referendum in a few years’ time when 1.5m of that ‘gang of angry old men’ who voted Brexit will be ‘freshly in their graves’… it’s hard to remember a time when hatred for the old was so public, and so visceral. And Labour’s call on the youth to save us from the Tories and Brexit, which means from the old, will make this worse. This is how desperate they are to do well on Thursday: they’re happy to risk deepening the gravest social tension of our time in order to get a few more seats. Shame on them.
 
Why do you read them? In fact why are there so many links to shitty rags on this forum in general?
I don't read them. They're worthy of comment as so many people in the country do read them and they often set the terms of the debate.
 
That's largely the fault of the Tories for being characteristically vague on it if we're fair.

But yeah in general, pensioners are the last people I'm basing my vote on after their protection from cuts over the past seven years (the left used to complain about that, with some justification). I get that its being doing for political purposes, but jesus.

Whilst I agree with the theme of the second paragraph the lack of detail in the Tory proposals is hugely problematic. For instance perhaps they intend to limit winter fuel payments to only those who claim pension credit. But we know that a third of those eligible for that are not claiming - so for all we know the winter fuel allowance cuts could plunge some of the poorest pensioners into fuel poverty.

The Tories are asking voters to sign a blank cheque and to trust them, something no right minded person should do.
 
Sky just did a Election campaign summary. Showed Corbyn not knowing his numbers and Abbots two feck ups.

Lets play a game of how many incidents of the tories not knowing numbers they showed? :rolleyes:

I don't know what you can actually do about it but media owners influencing the public shouldn't be allowed. I mean Dacre isnt subtle is he, he brags about it.
 
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Do explain more when you get the chance mate. I've moved the other way on him, significantly more impressed than I was 12 months ago.
Found a bit of time.

Firstly this irritated me at the time:



Chuka uses the occasion to push his own agenda. But I can look past this, as Ken made a rod for his own back. As for being leader, Chuka flirted with the idea but bowed out owing to pressure (iirc). He's never given me the impression of being anything other than insubstantial. When the election was called and most Labour MPs rallied to the cause, Chuka was on This Week criticising his own party leader. It was deft criticism, but enough to separate himself from the process. Now that the polls have narrowed, he's nowhere to be seen.

My overall impression of the man is that he presents a cool facade but that there isn't much behind it. The English Obama, to reignite his Wiki controversy, but the only similarity being that both are black. Obama was light years ahead in substance.

I'd instinctively prefer Cooper or Lewis.
 
Found a bit of time.

Firstly this irritated me at the time:



Chuka uses the occasion to push his own agenda. But I can look past this, as Ken made a rod for his own back. As for being leader, Chuka flirted with the idea but bowed out owing to pressure (iirc). He's never given me the impression of being anything other than insubstantial. When the election was called and most Labour MPs rallied to the cause, Chuka was on This Week criticising his own party leader. It was deft criticism, but enough to separate himself from the process. Now that the polls have narrowed, he's nowhere to be seen.

My overall impression of the man is that he presents a cool facade but that there isn't much behind it. The English Obama, to reignite his Wiki controversy, but the only similarity being that both are black. Obama was light years ahead in substance.

I'd instinctively prefer Cooper or Lewis.

Fair enough. He's also very young, and I appreciate that he's one of the few in the party who hasn't remained silent on the idiocy of Brexit post-referendum (clearly this is aided by the views of his constituency). I'm interested to see how his career progresses.

Cooper's started positioning herself for a leadership bid by the way. If JC gets less than c230 seats I think the battle for the party will be restarted, very very quickly.
 
Fair enough. He's also very young, and I appreciate that he's one of the few in the party who hasn't remained silent on the idiocy of Brexit post-referendum (clearly this is aided by the views of his constituency). I'm interested to see how his career progresses.

Cooper's started positioning herself for a leadership bid by the way. If JC gets less than c230 seats I think the battle for the party will be restarted, very very quickly.
I think he's cabinet material, as in terms of PR, he's one of the best Labour has. But, he needs a few years handling a substantial brief imo, before I can judge him correctly.

Cooper has plenty of negatives, but her overriding positive is that she's probably the most capable Labour MP still in the commons. The success of Corbyn must keep her to the left on certain issues, as it'll be too hard to ignore the entirety of his manifesto, else risk upsetting his many followers. So I have good hopes for her, if she can compromise on some of her foreign policy issues.
 
Steve Coogan seems to be very active this election. In the US you'd see such celeb endorsements plastered over the news, don't think ive seen any mention outside Facebook.
Not that i particularly think Celebs should be guiding opinions
 
Spectator article that I'm sure will annoy many on here:

Bit odd for a journalist who made a career out of insulting abuse survivors to claim that today's youth has no experience of labour. Where does he think all those take out pizza's come from? All that porn he consumes, the apps he uses... He's complaining about contempt for the old while simultaneously justifying it. Odd chap.
 
Corbyn's best outcome really is not doing as badly as feared. Within the context of Corbyn's leadership to date that's a great result for him. In the context of a party 7 years in opposition against a government stumbling into a disastrous Brexit and having arse and elbow location issues, it isn't great.
 
It led me to this, which I think is the single most ignorant thing I've ever read.


Hitler wants to replace nationalism with globalism apparently. And Stalin is famous as an isolationist in opposition to the communist tradition and Trotsky.

:lol:That Deb woman has only 66 followers ffs, hardly a person of influence in social media!
 
Now there's a surprise, not wanting to contribute more to pay for health of the country,
We contribute more than most as it is and have no kids and use private healthcare in the main, so we're not burdens, but massive net contributors.
 
Abbot has stepped aside "for ill health". I'd say a good tactical move a day before the election.