montpelier
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According to the Telegraph she's now saying that Corbyn isn't up to the job.
This is getting quite funny now.
This is getting quite funny now.
He's not strong and stable enough to get Britain the best deal for Brexit. Only under the strong and stable leadership of Theresa May can Britain get the best deal from Brexit, don't you know?According to the Telegraph she's now saying that Corbyn isn't up to the job.
This is getting quite funny now.
I have moved on, just telling you my take on nhs vs private care. No amount of bigging up the nhs will change my mind, uk was 30th on the list of global healthcare I was looking at the other day, the ones above uk had some form of privatization, so do I think its the way to go? Yes, yes it is.Mate, sorry about your mum and your dad.
But honestly your individual sad stories are not going to change the fact that the NHS is a fantastic service.
Nor are you the only person with a sad story.
Nor are there no sad stories in private healthcare, or other healthcare solutions throughout the world.
We're not trying to mourn with you, you need to move on at some point.
It's amazing, if May was Labour leader and Corbyn was Tory leader, it'd be the biggest whitewash in election history. She's so banal and awkward, yet the campaign is totally based on presenting her as someone who will fight tooth and nail for the country. I just hope her and her party get their comeuppance when the counts come in.
If I had a question I'd ask 'Mrs May, you used to think that the Tories were the nasty party, so why were you happy to be in it?'.
Mate. Don't apologise for speaking your mind.Both.
He's won me over a lot with the campaign, which has been run and managed excellently, mainly through the strength of character of Jeremy being compared against May, and the media's prior portrayal of him. The manifesto has also clearly been a huge success, both providing a clear differentiation between the two main parties, and largely setting the agenda of the campaign. For the first campaign since 2005(? earlier?) it's been Labour driving the discussion points of the election. The party also appears to be doing well in winning over Green and Lib Dem voters it previously lost. All of these points are also things the Corbyn leadership campaign promised, so you have to say that he's achieving a great deal of what he promised to. I definitely underestimated him this election.
I'm also 90% sure I'm still voting Lib Dem. Even if it hasn't quite been the promised Brexit election, Brexit is the issue of the day. He totally failed with that campaign, and if he gained power, I've little confidence in his ability to successfully manage it. In terms of this election, it seems clear that Labour's strategy of agreeing to mostly follow May's Brexit line has worked, and largely negated it as an election issue. But I only see economic disaster from a Labour government agreeing to Brexit at the same time as implementing an anti-businsss program and significantly raising corporation taxes (I realise, only to 2010's level). I don't want a race to the bottom but I don't want us to leave the single market and disincentive UK investment at the same time. I'm also nervous about the prospect of anti-capitalist McDonnell and Corbyn being tasked with negotiating our replacement trade agreement with the largest trading block in the world, though the competency of May's team doesn't ease my worries here.
Locally, my decision is helped by the awful Kate Hoey being our current MP, and the Lib Dems seemingly making it one of their main target seats. Ignoring anything else, she deserves the boot for pursuing a Brexit vote in the constituency with the highest remain vote in the country. UKIP aren't standing here so as to help her chances ffs. I'd love my vote to contribute to throwing her out of parliament. That said, Labour seem as strong as ever in London and I'm sure they'll hold onto the seat. Bookies put the odds at 1/5. In that case, hopefully my vote contributes to the cause of the next non-Corbyn leadership candidate.
Sorry for the essay, you asked.
You might be on to something there, in that Cameron and co went for the referendum in the full knowledge that they'd win handsomely. Oops.Most of them over on what is supposed to her side - (the 'One Nation' mob) aren't really for rocking the boat. I once read that some find their way in because it is their 'natural home' in the (political) scheme of things within the circles that they move in.
The extreme elements the other way are the UKIP fruitcakes and alike. Tend to be a lot more bolshy.
As successor to David 'let's have a referendum, it'll be fine' Cameron, there were (theoretically from the lefty view) much worse choices that could have gotten made than Theresa.
Honestly thought this was a troll on my timeline.
Honestly thought this was a troll on my timeline.
Not a clue, but I initially didn't read the London part as was fecking baffledIs that where the ivory trader Tory candidate's running?
In London - and 17. Yeah, I wouldn't trust YouGov either.There's no way Labour has a 9 point lead. I'll be fecking ecstatic if that's the case, but it's only Yougov with their experimental modelling.
Yep, only just caught that.In London - and 17. Yeah, I wouldn't trust YouGov either.
It depends on the majority. If they get 350+ seats, she'll last the term imo. If they barely escape a hung parliament, she'll be gone in a year/two years. If it is a hung parliament, then that's all she wrote.Even if they win, I can't see her lasting an entire term. I give her 3 more years maximum.
She'll do the Brexit shenanigans then hand off to someone else so they don't take the blame.Even if they win, I can't see her lasting an entire term. I give her 3 more years maximum.
The strange morphing into 2015 redux continues
Trouble is, people didn't believe it in 2015. But people also thought it was a realistic outcome then, don't think it's filtered through that it could happen this time yet.I suppose he has to be adamant about this as it otherwise plays into the whole Coalition of Chaos narrative.
You can form a government without any deals, Thornberry said today that they'd put forward a Queen's speech and it would be up the the likes of the SNP to either vote it through or allow a Tory government to form. It's a nuanced point that didn't really work in 2015 but is all they can really say at this point."No is no" said the PSOE's leader Sánchez in Spain. Chaos followed both in the country and his party as he was adamant that there would be no deals or pacts. Wouldn't a chaotic fractious hung parliament be disastrous for a naysaying Labour party as they would take the blame for any Brexit calamities ?