General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
The way it works:
Labour builds up government. Conservatives sell it off. Rinse. Repeat.
 
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This government can afford to spend more money on the NHS. That it doesn't is a political choice.
They don't do it because they know Brits don't like paying for stuff. Which is why you never hear "they only cost us X pence per person" used to defend keeping the royals in a life of luxury and why the Greens are seeing such a nationwide surge for wanting to ditch Trident and HS2 so the money can be used elsewhere, whilst the Tory vote bombs due to them wanting to cough up for both.
 
Looking at the big picture, historically things were always in private hands. This idea of social services and basic infrastructure being funded and managed by an electorate is a relatively recent phenomenon, and has always been under attack by the monied elite who would prefer a return to the days when the rich and powerful called all the shots.
True, Thatcher's attack on local authorities was the beginning of the end for munipal politics. Nowadays you get the impression that any devolved power will merely serve to show why we need cenralisation. Northern Powerhouse etc - not sure who that will benefit politically.
 
Yes, it will cost more for the user. But I believe that some kind of privatization is inevitable because the government on its own cannot sustain funding the NHS without raising ridiculous amount of taxes or borrowing even more crazy amounts of money. The fact of the matter is that the NHS will get more & more expensive as we live longer and make even more use of the NHS. On the other hand, if the public actually pays for the NHS that will mean that additional funds will become available to invest in the NHS. I believe that the quality of the service the NHS provides far out ways whether or not the NHS is free at the point of use. I also believe a fair system should be in place, whereby for the people who can afford it will pay for the NHS and the people who can’t afford it won’t pay for the NHS, and thus still ensuring that everybody gets the healthcare they require. Vote for me!

Your proposal would need tens of thousands of people to charge, process and chase up such payments, and I do mean tens of thousands. Whether they were employed by the NHS or private companies they would have to be paid for by the NHS users, a huge increase in bureaucracy for nothing in return. Taxation is a far more efficient way of raising the money needed.
 
I'm sure you judge Labour statements by the same standard.
Well, yeah. Who knows, eh?! You hear people that know about these things say such things as "Under Labour, the large budget surplus was eroded to the point that it actually became a deficit, which hadn't been the case since shortly after they came to power, while the Tories have massively reduced our national debt to..., ummm..., wait a minute... Look! A refugee!"
 
I'm sure many will disagree here but i think Labour have ended up playing a 'political' blinder by not trying to block Brexit. May is now trying to push Brexit but it doesnt matter as Labours policy at first sight is a more reasoned approach.

Whilst the Lib Dems have shown in the polls, there isn't the appetite to block it.
 
I'm sure many will disagree here but i think Labour have ended up playing a 'political' blinder by not trying to block Brexit. May is now trying to push Brexit but it doesnt matter as Labours policy at first sight is a more reasoned approach.

Whilst the Lib Dems have shown in the polls, there isn't the appetite to block it.
Yeah but it's a blinder which will still leave them as the opposition.
 
Theresa May: "You can only deliver Brexit if you believe in Brexit."
Hmm.

Also "If you vote to back me and strengthen my hand, I'll fight to get the best Brexit deal for Britain"
So, if she loses seats does that mean she'll send Amber Rudd?
 
They're still repeating the deal with SNP attack. Worst campaign ever
 
Theresa May: "You can only deliver Brexit if you believe in Brexit."
Hmm.

Also "If you vote to back me and strengthen my hand, I'll fight to get the best Brexit deal for Britain"
So, if she loses seats does that mean she'll send Amber Rudd?

Given that she voted to Remain that doesn't give a huge amount of confidence that she believes in it. :lol:
 
They're still repeating the deal with SNP attack. Worst campaign ever

On the subject of the SNP, there's been a nasty attack line over the past couple of days wherein people are criticising them for their manifesto being late...even though it was delayed because of the Manchester attacks.
 
May asked what she's doing to convince Trump to remain within the Paris Agreement...says she spoke to him last week to say we're staying in it. Spineless.
 
Theresa May: "You can only deliver Brexit if you believe in Brexit."
Hmm.

Also "If you vote to back me and strengthen my hand, I'll fight to get the best Brexit deal for Britain"
So, if she loses seats does that mean she'll send Amber Rudd?

I like the next part "You can only deliver for Britain if you have the strength, the plan and the determination to see it through"

Such an own goal as those words now just bring laughter to those who read it.
 
May says to look at her parties record on the NHS...an audible snigger or two in the audience.
 
Is Corbyn legitimately closing in the polls?

He has been, yes. At the start of the campaign the Tories were often 20 points ahead...now the closest polls have him 3-5 points behind, and even the most distant ones have shown a slight narrowing of the gap. He's comfortably into the 30s anyway, which is more than he was at the start.
 
Is it just me, or is May's whole picking journalists in order to ask questions a bit weird? Is that something that every PM does? Cause I feel like it's only her.
 
Is it just me, or is May's whole picking journalists in order to ask questions a bit weird? Is that something that every PM does? Cause I feel like it's only her.
Pretty standard.
 
Im only aporoaching 30 so i don't remember many elections but has this tone of mocking ever been so strong?

Im not getting my hopes up but this feels quite significant.
 
Pretty standard.

Yeah...maybe May's way of doing it is just a bit weird, or something? I dunno, she just seems so awkward while doing so...and as I type, she literally walks off stage the second she's finished talking.:lol:
 
Yeah...maybe May's way of doing it is just a bit weird, or something? I dunno, she just seems so awkward while doing so...and as I type, she literally walks off stage the second she's finished talking.:lol:
She definitely has an awkwardness that's takes the worst of Miliband and the worst of Brown and forms some kind of super being of awkwardness. If she was Labour she'd be at about -50.
 
Im only aporoaching 30 so i don't remember many elections but has this tone of mocking ever been so strong?

Im not getting my hopes up but this feels quite significant.
She seems to be really banking on the public being incredibly fecking stupid, which to be fair isn't a high risk bet sadly.
 
She pretty much said she watched the debate. Not too busy to watch but too busy to turn uo herself
 
"What I think about last night's debate is that Amber Rudd did an absolutely excellent job"
The very next question "Did you actually watch last night's debate?"

:lol:

What was her answer? There's a trap in that question.

*Edit, just saw Smores reply..*