General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Smores said:
"Im absolutely clear, i have a plan to answer the important questions while the coalition of chaos led by Jeremy Corbyn squabbles over where to spend the money tree"

Do you think this training seeps into her daily life? Is she now incapable of ordering a coffee or answering her husband how her day went?
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I'm very clear that I would be interested in having sex with you tonight Phillip, but I've also been very clear that I have a headache. Look, now is not the time to be having fun, we have a lot of work to do, and I have been very clear on that.
 
rcoobc said:
I'm very clear that I would be interested in having sex with you tonight Phillip, but I've also been very clear that I have a headache. Look, now is not the time to be having fun, we have a lot of work to do, and I have been very clear on that.
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Ah you lose you answered the question
 
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Smores said:
As others have pointed out its very clear what her tactics are at this point. Stay out of trouble, chuck dirt at Corbyn and hope its enough (it will be).

The mainstream don't report this behaviour unless its Corbyn doing the interview so she can get away with it.
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its honestly getting to the point where she may as well just sit at home till the election watching yes minister on Netflix.
 
Rams said:
I'm sorry, but what has the amount an individual pays for their health care got to do with whether or not a country can afford a free for all public NHS??
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It's not free for all at all.

It's the US model that's unsustainable as it incentivises crazy levels of (health care) consumption, with or without Obamacare. Using that as a model is barmy.
 
Without billionaire media moguls protecting their money and the promise of Leveson 2 being scrapped protecting journalists reputations, this Election would be an absolute annihilation by Labour.



It's worth noting that the Daily Mail, Daily Express, Telegraph, The Times and The Sun all have ridiculously good SEO. Search for pretty much any randomly selected two words from the dictionary and you'll get 5 Daily Mail articles on the front page and a few from the rest. Search for "Leveson 2" and funnily enough it's almost a complete blackout from those sources.

The Guardian and Independent cover it unsurprisingly and the only one mentioned above with an article is the Telegraph. Their angle? Leveson 2 probably won't happen because it will make a tonne of information available to the public and obviously that's a bad thing. You see journalists hate private information getting into public view, that's why they hack peoples phones and email accounts to get hold of it and that's why they constantly file freedom of information requests and bitch and moan about super injunctions.
 
Cheesy said:
They haven't offered the impossible - they've not offered anything at all. The idea that the uncertainty of Brexit offers a valid excuse for doing so is a load of shite. Every party can face uncertainty after an election; they're still expected to come up with costed plans as to how they intend to manage the economy. The Tories haven't bothered their arses to do so.

For what it's worth I think there's a lot that can be criticised concerning Corbyn's manifesto: it's perhaps too ambitious and a free-market leaning voter would argue it may drive business away from Britain during the Brexit process, but the whole Labour argument is centred around the idea that austerity and cuts haven't worked for the general working population as a whole, and that something substantial is needed to reverse this. That's fair enough. You may disagree with it, but at least they've come up with a costed, albeit ambitious and perhaps overly ambitious plan for what they want to do.

The Tories haven't done any of that. Rudd quite literally defended it by saying people should look at her parties record...which is...well, what the feck does that mean? They've pretty much neglected policy in this election because they presumed they'd win, and because they're trying to argue we have to have May negotiating Brexit because...well, I'm not sure, really.
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Great post. Perhaps unneccesary uses of the word perhaps in the second paragraph. :boring:
 
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Had a sniff round election forecasts other than Yougov's. All seem to point to a large Tory majority (80-120). Think we are all living in denial if we think Corbyn still has a chance. Suppose we should all vote anyway just to see.
 
altodevil86 said:
Had a sniff round election forecasts other than Yougov's. All seem to point to a large Tory majority (80-120). Think we are all living in denial if we think Corbyn still has a chance. Suppose we should all vote anyway just to see.
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Yeah, but we have to live in hope right?
 
Kentonio said:
You said..


I'd love to hear your explanation for why a putting a part of the process into private hands, where they will certainly run it as a profit raising business will somehow save the government money. Because all I can see is that its going to cost more to the user because the private company will need to add a profit margin.
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Yes, it will cost more for the user. But I believe that some kind of privatization is inevitable because the government on its own cannot sustain funding the NHS without raising ridiculous amount of taxes or borrowing even more crazy amounts of money. The fact of the matter is that the NHS will get more & more expensive as we live longer and make even more use of the NHS. On the other hand, if the public actually pays for the NHS that will mean that additional funds will become available to invest in the NHS. I believe that the quality of the service the NHS provides far out ways whether or not the NHS is free at the point of use. I also believe a fair system should be in place, whereby for the people who can afford it will pay for the NHS and the people who can’t afford it won’t pay for the NHS, and thus still ensuring that everybody gets the healthcare they require. Vote for me!
 
ThierryHenry said:
It's not free for all at all.

It's the US model that's unsustainable as it incentivises crazy levels of (health care) consumption, with or without Obamacare. Using that as a model is barmy.
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The NHS is free at the point of use. What I'm saying is that 'free at the point of use' is not sustainable.
 
Rams said:
The NHS is free at the point of use. What I'm saying is that 'free at the point of use' is not sustainable.
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Free at the point of use isn't the same as a system creating unlimited demand though. Demand is significantly stunted by waiting lists for procedures, the availability of doctors and surgeons, and significant areas of rationing.

What I don't know is if our model creates higher levels of demand than a public insurance model like they have in some European countries?
 
Economist plumps for Lib Dems. They also hammer Corbyn and tell May she is being a bit mean. Seem to be clinging to a new Blairite party post-election.
 
DenisIrwin said:
Can't read it. Subscription only. Voice of the people?
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Voice of hard fact. Economies ebb and flow- we clearly aren't going to be the top G7 performer every year and with Brexit coming up, we probably won't be for ages...
 
Jippy said:
Voice of hard fact. Economies ebb and flow- we clearly aren't going to be the top G7 performer every year and with Brexit coming up, we probably won't be for ages...
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Oh OK. I must have missed the bit when the Tories said "...some of the time, and just ignore latest figures."
 
Just a general observation based on a range of MSM articles I've looked at this morning: Maybe the damn has burst. More and more political commentators seem to have reached the end of their tethers with May and the Tories. Quite a few seem to have actually turned on them. The next day or two will show whether it's a flash in the pan or a real sea change. If it's the latter - get your bets on Labour!
 
Unmutual said:
The thing people always forget about the privatisation arguments is that private companies bring capital into the system. Its not a question of profit vs no profit*. Its whether the cost of getting "free" capital investment up front but paying a profit margin over time is better than the Government borrowing up front and paying interest or other payments over time.

For what its worth, Ive never seen any sign that the Government knows how to handle the private sector and usually gets ripped off when it outsources anything from NHS services to stationery procurement. But then the argument boils down to whether a better understanding of the private sector and more private sectors skills would lead to better value for money, or just disconnecting from it entirely.
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Looking at the big picture, historically things were always in private hands. This idea of social services and basic infrastructure being funded and managed by an electorate is a relatively recent phenomenon, and has always been under attack by the monied elite who would prefer a return to the days when the rich and powerful called all the shots.
 
Rams said:
Yes, it will cost more for the user. But I believe that some kind of privatization is inevitable because the government on its own cannot sustain funding the NHS without raising ridiculous amount of taxes or borrowing even more crazy amounts of money.
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This is absolutely right but no brit wants to hear it because they don't like paying for stuff. I was fkin shocked at the hospital my mum lay in, it was like time travel back to the 50's and the care was shit.

I think anyone that Bigs up the nhs needs to go abroad and get sick so they can see what 21st century care looks like and how much it costs.
 
Stanley Road said:
This is absolutely right but no brit wants to hear it because they don't like paying for stuff. I was fkin shocked at the hospital my mum lay in, it was like time travel back to the 50's and the care was shit.

I think anyone that Bigs up the nhs needs to go abroad and get sick so they can see what 21st century care looks like and how much it costs.
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You keep saying this, like it's reality. Very amusing.
 
Stanley Road said:
This is absolutely right but no brit wants to hear it because they don't like paying for stuff. I was fkin shocked at the hospital my mum lay in, it was like time travel back to the 50's and the care was shit.

I think anyone that Bigs up the nhs needs to go abroad and get sick so they can see what 21st century care looks like and how much it costs.
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Stop wittering on about your mother, it's boring. One experience within the NHS isn't representative of an entire system, irrespective of how much that may piss you off.
 
Sure, the NHS could be prettier and more modern, however to suggest that it's shit in anyway is farcical.
 
Stanley Road said:
This is absolutely right but no brit wants to hear it because they don't like paying for stuff. I was fkin shocked at the hospital my mum lay in, it was like time travel back to the 50's and the care was shit.

I think anyone that Bigs up the nhs needs to go abroad and get sick so they can see what 21st century care looks like and how much it costs.
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What the NHS does better than almost anywhere else is emergency and acute care. After that I agree it can be pretty awful, and id not be against privatizing the rest as long as they do it properly. They need to ship out all the old guard management and bring in people who are not afraid of the private sector. If they did that they probably wouldnt need to privatize though.
 
DenisIrwin said:
Oh OK. I must have missed the bit when the Tories said "...some of the time, and just ignore latest figures."
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I'm sure you judge Labour statements by the same standard.
 
This government can afford to spend more money on the NHS. That it doesn't is a political choice.
 
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