General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
ThierryHenry said:
Has anyone posted the size of the likely 18-24 vote compared to those aged 65+?

I'd assume that those numbers only lead to an electoral mauling.
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In 2015; there were 5.8 million people aged 18-24, and 11 million people aged 65 and over.

This will include those not eligible to vote; i.e. people from the European Union outside of the UK and Ireland.

Older people are also obviously more likely to vote (by 1/3rd?)
 
Oscie said:
All feels a bit like the Miliband phenomenon. What was that? Milifandom, or soemthing. I don't think you can come from so far behind, so late. Could be wrong.
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Labour can't win, but can they force a hung parliament?

Probably not.

But if they could, what would that achieve.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Hopefully a lot of people tune in and he has a good performance, because regardless of what happens it'll be a total hit job in the press tomorrow morning.
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Yep. The other parties have to make sure not to overly attack Labour otherwise they will trot out the Chaos coalition line. They should, and hopefully will, hammer May on the NHS and things people should care more about.
 
Ubik said:
Asketh and ye shall receive



But note that's only on 2015 turnout levels, and I'm pretty sure turnout among 18-24s will be higher this time round. Not 80%, but maybe more like the EU referendum.
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Yeah, like I thought. Stupid that this keeps being highlighted as the story of the election. 18-40 v 65+ would be a more sensible comparison.
 
rcoobc said:
In 2015; there were 5.8 million people aged 18-24, and 11 million people aged 65 and over.

This will include those not eligible to vote; i.e. people from the European Union outside of the UK and Ireland.

Older people are also obviously more likely to vote (by 1/3rd?)
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You got UBIK'd. :boring:
 
Oscie said:
All feels a bit like the Miliband phenomenon. What was that? Milifandom, or soemthing. I don't think you can come from so far behind, so late. Could be wrong.
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Its exactly that, what we're seeing is people realising Corbyn isnt what they were told and is actually quite likeable. Probably won't change the fundamentals though, he'll get burried in attacks over the next weeks and people will go back to "safety" with the Tories unless May has gone too far.

Another year without his leadership being contested and he'd have done better i think. Saying that he wouldn't have been doing interviews all that time. I hope the next leader makes themselves a lot more visible during the non-campaign months.
 
Obviously right call for Corbyn to do the debates. If I was a supporter of his I'd be concerned about how prepared he'll be. Seems clear this was a relative last minute thing off the back of an uptick in popular support and a good performance the other night. If he isn't prepared for this then it could undo much of his momentum. If he is then it'll put May even more under pressure. She'll look terrible for not turning up tonight. And now if she does it'll look like she was strong-armed into it.

If Corbyn does well then it's another huge gaff by Tories. But Rudd will be well prepared, briefed and practised having been earmarked for this for a long while. If it turns into a night where Corbyn's past comments are in focus then he'll regret not throwing his hat into this sooner and giving himself proper preparation time.

Be fascinating.
 
Oscie said:
Obviously right call for Corbyn to do the debates. If I was a supporter of his I'd be concerned about how prepared he'll be. Seems clear this was a relative last minute thing off the back of an uptick in popular support and a good performance the other night. If he isn't prepared for this then it could undo much of his momentum. If he is then it'll put May even more under pressure. She'll look terrible for not turning up tonight. And now if she does it'll look like she was strong-armed into it.

If Corbyn does well then it's another huge gaff by Tories. But Rudd will be well prepared, briefed and practised having been earmarked for this for a long while. If it turns into a night where Corbyn's past comments are in focus then he'll regret not throwing his hat into this sooner and giving himself proper preparation time.

Be fascinating.
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They'll have been prepared in case May actually attended.

In fact Im sure they'll always have planned to attend they just wanted to amplify the pressure on May to do so. Corbyn now comes off looking good and May scared.

They've left enough time for the story now to be about her not attending all day.
 
Could be a huge moment for Labour tonight if Corbyn does well, the more the public have seen him the better he's come across. Totally the opposite for May.

It's going to be spicy!
 
Smores said:
They'll have been prepared in case May actually attended.

In fact Im sure they'll always have planned to attend they just wanted to amplify the pressure on May to do so. Corbyn now comes off looking good and May scared.

They've left enough time for the story now to be about her not attending all day.
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If he's always intended to take part and has prepared for it then great. But this is a man who the other day went on Woman's Hour to promote a policy he didn't have the details of. If I were a betting man I'd say this was more likely to be a relatively impromptu decision based on favourable poll ratings than the culmination of a plan where he intended to show up all along.

If he's prepared - great. I'll have my doubts though.
 
I love the way he's simply calling her out too like it's a WWF interview in the ring :lol:

Any time. Any place.

 
Fergies Gum said:
Is this a different debate happening tonight? I know there's one tonight with all the parties taking part.
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I think it's the one you a referring to. I just have it on in the background and they literally said he'll be debating Amber Rudd, but I think it will be at that debate with the others.
 
I can't help but think tonight won't go well for Corbyn. Him being there and May sending a lackey can only lead to labour losing a couple of points to the minor parties.
 
RedSky said:
:lol: Takes his glasses off.... come fight me biiiiitch!
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Corbyn drops the mic.

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Turns to the big screen. And waits.

Does May's music play or will the crowd just boo the no show?
 
Silva said:
I can't help but think tonight won't go well for Corbyn. Him being there and May sending a lackey can only lead to labour losing a couple of points to the minor parties.
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I disagree. I half think they will remove Rudd...

But if not, Corbyn will tear May apart for not appearing.
 
Silva said:
I can't help but think tonight won't go well for Corbyn. Him being there and May sending a lackey can only lead to labour losing a couple of points to the minor parties.
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disagree, loads of people like me were never going to vote Labour, but after how he's performed over the last few week we're wavering and a good performance tonight could swing many myself included.

I've Tory mates who were going to vote Tory but are now possibly not going to vote due to May and Fallon's performances and the manifesto. If this is happening in a Tory stronghold then the key area's the Tories are targeting then the I've no doubt the same thoughts could be going through peoples minds there too.

At the moment I still expect the Tories to win but it could be with a very small majority.
 
I just hope she doesn't appear Stone Cold Steve Austin style, but maybe this is how it should be - they should wrestle for victory.

Blimey I need a coffee.
 
Its a calculated risk but worth taking. Most of the people there are liberal, so conservatives will be outnumbered and if they overattack labour, lessens chances of a progressive alliance. Also May not being there covers Corbyn, because he can say at least I attended and tried to defend my policies.. where was she?

Also childcare gaffe apart, he has come across pretty clued up and I think the fire is burning right now, he wants it badly and he's going in for the kill.

He might feck up, but who cares.. no regrets.
 
There's definitely a huge opportunity there to make the point that if she can't even debate tonight how can she be trusted to negotiate with the EU leaders.

Of course neither will do the negotiations anyway but the Tories have already implied differently.
 
No pressure on Rudd tonight, just has to single-handedly keep a flailing campaign alive :lol:
 
Tories won't lose, not with the shy Tory factor, but lessening their gains is damn important. We needs Corbyn to do well here, I think the other parties must help, they cannot attack Labour here or it makes them look shit too.
 
As usual Angus Robertson will probably be the best at challenging the tories record. Farron will probably just complain about everyone and pretend he's relevant.
 
If the Tories do actually manage to end up with an overall majority (decidedly uncertain at this point), i wouldn't be at all surprised were Amber Rudd to be promoted to Chancellor.


Jippy said:
It's a weird one- most of the jews I know are massively pro-Labour. From what I can gather, the Hampstead synagogue is a real place of financial services networking.
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Could be generational reasons, could be geographic; the family is not from Hampstead at least.


ThierryHenry said:
Ok. I don't really agree with you or the way you use "whores" here.
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Nor i, the post comes across as denigrating and dehumanising. Out of line IMO.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
She's a considerably better speaker than May though, at least going by QT appearances.
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She's definitely better, trouble is that this obviously reflects badly on May even aside from her refusing to turn up.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
She's a considerably better speaker than May though, at least going by QT appearances.
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She is but its telling that when they're refocusing on Brexit the person they put forward is the home secretary.

They don't even trust their Brexit Secretary or Foreign Secretary enough to go on a televised debate.
 
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