General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
I took the political compass test again last night and was watching some of Owen jones' videos. Now this nightmare in the morning.

At least I know they're wasting their money targeting adverts on me when I won't change my vote.

Did that cover the May porn story?

Everytime you see a Tory ad click on it. Uses their budget up and they don't target you anymore :)
 

That's really not what that article says at all.

The markets don't want Brexit to happen. The Tories are going ahead with a hard Brexit, any option that goes for a compromise exit or no exit at all may be better for the pound all else being equal.
 
Just watching the Paxman interviews. Why are all those fecking morons in the audience clapping at 'no deal is better than a bad deal'? It's such a ridiculously empty soundbite. I hate people. :mad:

And because they clapped, she repeats it 6 times. And they clap again. For fecks sake..
 
It's also a twitter poll and not worth the pixels it's taking up.

Whilst I think this statement is a bit short sighted, I think the fact this poll in particular is coming from Martyn Lewis MSE says a fair bit about the demographic in the results. Also, the cynic in me says a few Labour voters picked Corbyn (& I'm not Labour) just for mind games. I know I would.
 
Our best hope for PR in the near future is a hung parliament, with a tenuous Lab/Lib/SNP coalition. The big Tory win that will inevitably happen will set us back at least two more terms. Feck.
 
If we enter a strange universe where Labour actually win can we give a tagline to whoever has used the word 'unelectable' the most :D
 
it is funny how depressing the political situation looked after Brexit and Trump... it could still be depressing but just the hope of the likes of Trump and May facing impending doom has brought a smile to my face.
 
Our best hope for PR in the near future is a hung parliament, with a tenuous Lab/Lib/SNP coalition. The big Tory win that will inevitably happen will set us back at least two more terms. Feck.
Would the PR campaign even win a referendum on the subject?

Would we not be better off asking for a PR House of Lords (which there is actually a public willpower to see democratically elected), and for the British Public to spend 20 years getting used to what PR is?
 
Speaking to senior people at work who are more Tory leaning and mood has shifted regarding May. She's alienating people with her incompetence and lack of personability.

I remember them singing her praises months back and now they can't stand her.

They still think she'll win but have no love for her.
Same, tone has changed completely. I even heard the classic "someone like David Miliband would have walked this election".

*Waits for Dobba to reply with a lol*
 
The only problem is the majority of labour and SNP MPs don't want PR, for obvious reasons.
Labour sure, but I was under the impression that the SNP have always supported some kind of electoral reform. If Labour sees they are no longer the main beneficiaries of FPTP they might change their mind on the issue. You also have to think it would be a sticking point of any negotiation involving the LibDems.
 
Would the PR campaign even win a referendum on the subject?

Would we not be better off asking for a PR House of Lords (which there is actually a public willpower to see democratically elected), and for the British Public to spend 20 years getting used to what PR is?
Why would they have to run a referendum on it? They only did that for the last one because the Tories didn't want it to happen. Maybe I am wrong.

I can see where you are coming from in regards to a Lords test-run. The Scottish system, which isn't PR but MMR and pretty damn close to it, is understood by most up here. I don't think it would be hard to put across to people. The only stumbling block is the media.
 
Same, tone has changed completely. I even heard the classic "someone like David Miliband would have walked this election".

*Waits for Dobba to reply with a lol*

What is strange is that their manifesto or strategy seems to be.. lets make ourselves 'unelectable' and 'alienate' our core voters.

The rich, big business, upper class, elite professionals.. they don't want a hard 'brexit', they don't want brexit at all - so she's pissed them off. The white working class, the school lunch/breakfast fiasco, female voters who were happy that a woman was in charge - cosying up to the likes of Trump, doctors/surgeons.. destroying the NHS.

They're relying heavily on Brexit voters, steadfast tories and Corbyn being unelectable for most floating voters.

They'll probably still win, but it has been the worst run campaign in living memory.
 
Same, tone has changed completely. I even heard the classic "someone like David Miliband would have walked this election".

*Waits for Dobba to reply with a lol*
I still think he would have... :nervous:
 
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What is strange is that their manifesto or strategy seems to be.. lets make ourselves 'unelectable' and 'alienate' our core voters.

The rich, big business, upper class, elite professionals.. they don't want a hard 'brexit', they don't want brexit at all - so she's pissed them off. The white working class, the school lunch/breakfast fiasco, female voters who were happy that a woman was in charge - cosying up to the likes of Trump, doctors/surgeons.. destroying the NHS.

They're relying heavily on Brexit voters, steadfast tories and Corbyn being unelectable for most floating voters.

They'll probably still win, but it has been the worst run campaign in living memory.

She tried to do the usual Tory thing of masking their intentions with her JAM speeches but it just hasn't stuck. She isn't capable of coming off as caring at all, the only thing she's got is that "she's a bloody difficult woman" which is a ridiculous notion to build a campaign around.

They've just dropped the pretence completely.
 
fecking hell! Her father was directly involved in human trafficking and running brothels and exchanged emails with her about his whores - and now she's fronting Woman's Hour on BBC. You think that's OK?!
Obviously - why should we judge anyone on the behaviour of their parents? No idea what your point is here.
 
Obviously - why should we judge anyone on the behaviour of their parents? No idea what your point is here.
We've moved on so I won't be responding on this anymore, except to say she claimed (in the Mail article) to know nothing at all about her father's human traficking and brothels, right up until he was on his way to prison, when she had exchanged emails with him about his whores. I don't believe her. It's my belief that she denied knowledge in order to protect her own career and find it completely fecked up that she is pulling this sort of shit on Woman's Hour and then acting all hurt when she's called out for dirty tricks by hundreds of listeners, and the BBC rally around to protect her. That's it. I'm done discussing this any further.
 
We've moved on so I won't be responding on this anymore, except to say she claimed (in the Mail article) to know nothing at all about her father's human traficking and brothels, right up until he was on his way to prison, when she had exchanged emails with him about his whores. I don't believe her. It's my belief that she denied knowledge in order to protect her own career and find it completely fecked up that she is pulling this sort of shit on Woman's Hour and then acting all hurt when she's called out for dirty tricks by hundreds of listeners, and the BBC rally around to protect her. That's it. I'm done discussing this any further.
Ok. I don't really agree with you or the way you use "whores" here.
 
How many seats are Lab/Lib marginals as opposed to Lab/Con or Lib/Con?

Why can't Farron and Corbyn agree a one night truce, along with Lucas and Sturgeon, to not discredit each other in the debate. Then precede to hammer the Tories over absolutely everything. This seems like a win for all parties involved no?

Also limits how much Rudd can whip out the 'coalition of choas' shite.
 
All feels a bit like the Miliband phenomenon. What was that? Milifandom, or soemthing. I don't think you can come from so far behind, so late. Could be wrong.
 
Has anyone posted the size of the likely 18-24 vote compared to those aged 65+?

I'd assume that those numbers only lead to an electoral mauling.
Asketh and ye shall receive



But note that's only on 2015 turnout levels, and I'm pretty sure turnout among 18-24s will be higher this time round. Not 80%, but maybe more like the EU referendum.