Have we started praising Farage because he sent a tweet supporting Corbyn? FFS 
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Farage aped Nazi propaganda ffs.
I think most of UKIP have just given up. For the most part the Tories have basically adopted their central agenda anyway (leaving the EU and reducing immigration) so there's not much point of doing anything else. Farage is just making sure he retains some semblance of credibility. Presumably Trump's not been giving him any attention lately.
I did say for right or wrong, how you are privy to his understanding/conception of post-brexit britain is beyond me though.
Have we started praising Farage because he sent a tweet supporting Corbyn? FFS
a man with principles haha
You can basically see the cogs whirring as she tries to think of a good response.
And then the best she can up with is that she is too busy worrying about Brexit to properly take part in the election she called herself.
UKIP is finished, I think that became clear during the local elections. Farage does have one thing in common with Corbyn though, they both wanted to leave the EU for a long time.
Farage got out at the right time.
I'm not complaining to be - I'm arguing that he's espoused no vision/conception of what Britain should look like after Brexit. In spite of the fact it's a move he's been campaigning for throughout pretty much all of his political career.
The closest thing I've heard him say regarding post-brexit britain was regarding trade deals, I think.
Which is pretty much my point. If you campaign for something that's going to change your country on unprecedented levels, you'd ideally have an outlined vision/conception of what's going to change, considering it'll have a massive impact. Farage never did. The idea he's some noble man who fought for what he believed in is being incredibly, incredibly generous to him.
Praising Farage for standing for what he believes in is ridiculous if you study his career and realise that he cynically absorbed anti-immigration sentiment into his anti-EU vendetta.
Go back to the UKIP manifestos of the 90s and there is no mention of immigration
So yes, he has had an irrational hatred of the EU for his entire political existence, if that deserves praise. He has achieved that aim by realising he could tie it to the only moderately related concerns about immigration and population growth. This is a man who posed in front of a 3m tall photograph of Syrian refugees to signify his principled opposition to the EU. "A man with principles" = Odious shit toad
Go back to the UKIP manifestos of the 90s and there is no mention of immigration
So yes, he has had an irrational hatred of the EU for his entire political existence, if that deserves praise. He has achieved that aim by realising he could tie it to the only moderately related concerns about immigration and population growth. This is a man who posed in front of a 3m tall photograph of Syrian refugees to signify his principled opposition to the EU. "A man with principles" = Odious shit toad
Aye, very accurate. Standing by your beliefs on a subject is only admirable if you're well-informed and rational in espousing those beliefs. Farage hasn't been either of those because he was always an opportunist from the start.
How is she getting away with this shit? Corbyn needs to focus on Brexit, like she is. Which is why she called an election 3 years early, after repeatedly saying she didn't see the need for one. He also needs to focus less on his television appearances. Pretty sure the guy asking the question is Sky News' Faisal Islam. It might explain her performance during the thing with Corbyn the other night if she thought she wasn't being filmed.
Right and I don't disagree with that, my point broadly speaking is that politicians should have conviction (there should be no reading into that an aspect of nobility etc, hitler had conviction) otherwise, like we see with the majority of the current bunch - they're populist snoozers - May actively countenances against any sort of genuine 'change', for example. I'm not saying it's always good and I'm not saying it's always bad, but the politics of forever ticking over, Toryism essentially, abhors me.
Yeah, I'll largely agree with that - the Tory approach of always playing it safe is something I'm very much against. Although I do think conviction politics should ideally try to be balanced and reasonable - some slip into equally populist approaches of simply blaming everything on whatever it is they're against. Like Farage with the EU.
An election she called so there was no distraction during Brexit....good one Theresa we believe you.
That's the ideal yeah, sadly nuances of arguments are often ignored or downright avoided due to various aspects of society, media particularly, so the broad-side approach of Farage works while the softer more reasonable debate of a Corbyn isn't lapped up by them. Still both driven to do something though, rather than ponderously do nothing.
Farage and his conviction. I've seen it all now. Tomorrow if he sends out a tweet backing May on some random Brexit measure, he'll be back to being a toerag like usual.
It's all good praising/respecting Farage for his conviction. I wonder what happened to the conviction of the people praising Farage's conviction.
It's all good praising/respecting Farage for his conviction. I wonder what happened to the conviction of the people praising Farage's conviction.
That's the dangerous sort of logic that delivered the White house to Trump. Yeah, let's elect someone who would do something, instead of doing absolutely nothing.
If doing something, (the abstraction is open here) is now dangerous logic, then we're in a very weird place.
I'd pick Cameron over Thatcher any day of the week.
May will do something as well, which will destroy any sort of privacy online and continue the needless deaths and increasing food bank use in this country. But she's strong and stable so she's harmless and status quo. Not true, her manifesto gives her the flexibility to feck over a lot of people.
I agree. But May is trying to give off the impression she is boring and status quo, when really she has quite drastic plans.
I have never argued that May will be terrible for the UK. I'm just saying that 'but at least Farage will do something, like Corbyn instead of doing nothing' is a bit....
Farage and his conviction. I've seen it all now. Tomorrow if he sends out a tweet backing May on some random Brexit measure, he'll be back to being a toerag like usual.
It's all good praising/respecting Farage for his conviction. I wonder what happened to the conviction of the people praising Farage's conviction.
My conviction has been to be steadily posting pro-Corbyn content on social media, trying to persuade voters to vote Labour, due to the importance I believe we have of avoiding a tory government at all costs.
Err, that quote is not only made up, it's misleading. Totally mincing what I said and making it somewhat anti-Corbyn?
Will be very, very interesting to see the shift if Corbyn performs well tonight. If Rudd for whatever reason struggles, and comes off worse, May's avoiding the debate will make her seem very, very weak and incapable by comparison.
It's interesting for a lot of reasons, the main for me: Can a progressive alliance actually work? If even for one night, if they all gang-up on Rudd we could see a real shift in public opinion. I have a feeling Farron is gonna feck that up for us though.
It's a huge opportunity to dent the failing Tory campaign. Strong showing tonight, maybe a gaff from May in the coming days and it'll be very interesting to see the polling.
I wonder exactly what May is doing tonight on Brexit thats so important. That would be my audience question to Rudd although im sure the answer would be "working on getting the bestest deal for Brexit"
Also the fact May has pointed out that she's too busy and the debates are pointless surely undermines Rudd being there at all? She not got anything better to do?
Also the fact May has pointed out that she's too busy and the debates are pointless surely undermines Rudd being there at all? She not got anything better to do?
She'll be sat at home watching Rudd debate. It's farcical.
I strongly believe Corbyn is the right candidate for this election. I'm not promoting Corbyn related material in social media though, but I do believe a conservative government is seriously bad for the UK. I just don't agree that Farage is a 'principled man, though his views are abhorent'.
English isn't my first language, so maybe I'm just not communicating my point across effectively.
Heck, even if Rudd does well, May could still look weak for not debating Jezz. All it would take is a couple of catchy quotes, to be picked up tomorrow.
But even if it all goes well tomorrow, it probably won't be enough. Labour need to keep dripping this image that May is weak, into the public psyche.
One week of "weak and nasty" images are needed.
An utter shambles. I don't remember seeing a Labour or Conservative leader with such dreadful body language?
She looks utterly unconfident and unstable. No-one will be watching her and feeling reassured or convinced that she could effectively lead the country.
Do you want Boris negotiating for Britain? That should be enough to scare anyone shitless
And in fairness I didn't say he was principled but I see your point. I'd have never known, your english is excellent mate.
Even Brown would deliver a barnstorming speech.
I get second hand embarrassment watching her, there's very few occasions where she makes me feel comfortable.
At this point, we would be arguing semantics even though we agree that Farage is not a nice man. And it is completely possible that I'm overreacting to a fair point, and it wouldn't be the first time.
Let's hope the debate goes well today so that we have better things to analyze.
It's genuinely bizarre that they thought they could pull off the strong and stable nonsense, literally nonsensical considering May, her record and her mannerisms, yet in all likelihood have probably convinced a large proportion of the electorate that it's the case. They changed tact yes but for alot the phrase has probably somehow stuck.
The mind boggles at it! She's a robot with a faulty processor, they can't let her near the public unscripted because they know, there's nothing much behind the eyes.