Just laughing
General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time
- Thread starter altodevil
- Start date
Just laughing
Not sure at this stage... just please not Abbott.
At what? It's really quite a bizarre exchange.
Id support any of them running on a similar manifesto. Although i don't think it will be one of those listed.
Im hoping there's not another bitter battle but a bit of recognition from both sides.
Won't happen but id be intrigued to see how events unfold should Corbyn win. Would the centrists just fall in line i wonder.
They'd have to if he'd won. Hard to see how any would be stupid enough to kick up a fuss in that circumstance. The criticism of Corbyn is that he can't deliver a Labour government. If he delivers one it shuts everyone up. At least for a while.
Conversely if he doesn't win I don't think the anticipated postmortem of "In fairness it wasn't awful and even if it was it's everyone else's fault" will be a pretty sight for the Labour party in the summer.
I mean poison in regards that no one wants to go near it. It's a few years old now but at least according to this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22555659 most people don't know their local MP(All I know is that our is a tory and that the labour one used to be a former Lib Dem, although he seems like a nice guy), there was group section of Labour voters done a few months back and no one knew who even Tim Farron was. Those names mean nothing without the Labour badge on them.
As for compromise it would be nice but I think the actions of certain people in Labour during the second leadership show they aren't willing.
Will this be before or after the pledge to ''liberate'' the Middle East ?
I'm not doing this, I'm not 8 years old. You know the reason.
I enjoy the debate on here, and by all means reply to my posts if you'd like to debate them, but seeing as you're incapable of that I'd prefer you didn't.
Didn't realise Abbott previously called for MI5 to be scrapped and voted against Al Qaeda being put on the banned list.
'Diane's hairstyle is a matter for Diane.'
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-under-fire--afro-remark-questioned-about-ira
'Diane's hairstyle is a matter for Diane.'
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-under-fire--afro-remark-questioned-about-ira
Its a real shame we dont have Cooper as Home Sec
If I do so should I use the words 'I disagree with your post and would like to debate them' ?
I thought it was rather obvious I was agreeing Corbyn should do the debates when I expanded that if it's true that he's so popular with the public when seen by them he should jump at the chance. I didn't realise the point was too nuanced so as to start a row.
For the avoidance of doubt: We're having a disagreement.
McDonnell did something similar, but he's better at lying about embarrassing stuff.Didn't realise Abbott previously called for MI5 to be scrapped and voted against Al Qaeda being put on the banned list.
'Diane's hairstyle is a matter for Diane.'
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-under-fire--afro-remark-questioned-about-ira
There is a lot of talent in the Labour party. Whatever our own views of Corbyn it's a tragedy that people like her are on the backbenches and Diane Abbott and Richard Burgon are leading lights of the cabinet. And who's that creepy soft-spoken one with the beard? He's awful too.
Between him, Abbott and Corbyn, McDonnell is easily the best trained in terms of public speaking and handling himself in interviews.
Arguably he's the more hard-left than any of them but he presents himself much better. He seems to be a policy wonk too. Corbyn struggles to hammer May because rather than have much interest in the policy detail he seems to love the general direction of travel; speeches about vague aspirations etc. May would have had a more difficult time since becoming leader last year if she faced McDonnell across the dispatch box.
Didn't realise Abbott previously called for MI5 to be scrapped and voted against Al Qaeda being put on the banned list.
'Diane's hairstyle is a matter for Diane.'
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-under-fire--afro-remark-questioned-about-ira
I don't know why they keep putting her on television. This has gotta be the worst choice we've ever had in an election in the country. Glad I'm jumping ship!
We're surrounded by politicians at the moment who are fairly weak, unprofessional and bad at their jobs. Yet a huge part of the vitriol and contempt is directly towards Diane Abbott. Britain really never does change..
One thing that stands out for me in this election is just how poor a crop of spokespeople there is on all sides. Disregarding their policies, as politicians and intellects the likes of Blair, Brown, Prescott, Major, Clarke and Heseltine would piss all over this lot. I get a feeling the future leading figures are trying to keep a low profile at the moment to avoid association with their debacles to come - Labour wipeout and Tory Brexit.
Because she's awful.
Doesn't look uniform across all polls, YouGov has the Tories ahead of Labour by 5 and ComRes has them only 5 off the SNP (
EDIT - As I post that I just saw this on Twitter, Labour have definitely jumped up but Tories still a bit ahead
I saw that - but it's sruveymonkey which basically means ignore.
Funny you should say that, I was just watching the video of Prescott talking to reporters outside the Corbyn campaign bus, and although I've never been a fan it was incredibly how he whipped up the energy in that group. People like him and Clarke were political giants compared to the media trained pygmies we have now.
He is a decent orator, but not sure the public warm to him, given he's left of Lenin.
I actually liked her on that show with Neil and Portillo. The had a somewhat weird, but charming chemistry.
Yes, she is pretty awful. But she's surrounded by a lot of equally awful people and some that are considerably more awful. Yet she's far too often singled out as especially worthy of attack.
I think it goes beyond that. There are a fair few on the right whose genuine hatred for her seems suspiciously strong to me.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ended-over-racist-tweet-aimed-at-diane-abbott
Same. I think that's her best kind of platform, sitting actually talking like a real person, which probably also explains why she's lasted so long as a constituency MP. She just doesn't do well on the big stage in front of aggressive press.
She's said in the past that white people love playing divide and rule, and previously backed the IRA, saying she would be pleased if they obtained victory over Britain. That's...pretty bad. Especially when she can only seem to half-apologise for some of the stuff she's said.
There may be some genuine hatred that oversteps the mark but I don't think it's unfair to say she might be the worst of the bunch when taking into account all the main players on either side.
They got the 2015 result more or less spot on, at least.
Here's the Prescott video btw. Watch this and tell me you don't kind of miss the crazy old fecker. 
It's either that people think the response 'I once had an afro...' is a weird way to answer a question about supporting the IRA, or everyone's racist.
Abbott is terrible when questioned on an almost unparalleled scale. Dislike thinly veiled suggestions that if we don't pretend she isn't utterly incompetent under pressure that there's some kind of bigoted motive.
She gets the same treatment as any MP who's useless on TV who goes on TV and is useless. It seems as if people want us not to notice because of her gender and/or skin colour. May's car crash interview with Neil or Fallon's embarrassment on Channel 4 news got plenty of attention. The insinuation that it's racist if a black MPs cock-ups aren't treated differently, is odd.
Abbott is terrible when questioned on an almost unparalleled scale. Dislike thinly veiled suggestions that if we don't pretend she isn't utterly incompetent under pressure that there's some kind of bigoted motive.
She gets the same treatment as any MP who's useless on TV who goes on TV and is useless. It seems as if people want us not to notice because of her gender and/or skin colour. May's car crash interview with Neil or Fallon's embarrassment on Channel 4 news got plenty of attention. The insinuation that it's racist if a black MPs cock-ups aren't treated differently, is odd.
White people do love playing divide and rule. It was the entire basis of Britain's colonial strategy, and it continues to be used in front line politics in the US to this very day. We don't see as many direct examples these days in the UK purely because we don't have a very big black demographic, but you can see it perfectly well with how some politicians talk about British Muslims and non-white immigrants when they want to stir up discontent.
I think they're basically indifferent, which is still remarkable given the "bombs and bullets" thing.
It was entertaining but she still talked bollocks. Johnson's head and shoulders above her in every way. Except he sometimes lets slip a little flash of temper that he should have learned to hide long ago.
That's a shame. Would it help if I removed the veil and just said that we're still quite racist in Britain?
Here's the Prescott video btw. Watch this and tell me you don't kind of miss the crazy old fecker.
He'll be 79 on Tuesday. Amazing.
Your problem here is that white people think different things these days.
That said, I've no doubt that she's endured a hell of a lot of racist abuse over the years so I don't judge her too harshly on that one.
Not really. There's a possibility that most people think it's a bad answer and a minority think it's a bad answer from someone their hatred for does not seem entirely based on her politics.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/diane-abbott-reveals-vile-racist-9848832
I like Johnson too. Always seemed a genuine bloke.
But there'll be people who hate May because she's a woman. It doesn't mean that when she messes up we should be reluctant in pointing that out.
I don't get what the preferred alternative is. Pretend that we don't notice when she thinks you can employ a police officer on £30 a year because she's black and racism is bad?
If an MP is female, non-white, non-heterosexual doesn't mean when they feck up we should just nod and pretend we didn't notice because racism, sexism, homophobia and everything else exists.
We like to think that we do, and hopefully many of us actually do, but there are still many, many instances of divide and rule continuing to be used. Like I said, its used constantly in America by Republicans to get poor working whites to vote for them despite them not representing their needs in any way, and in the UK its used by the likes of UKIP and the Tory right wing to segment British Muslims and immigrants off into a special category they can make people afraid off, so they can pickup votes their actual policies would never otherwise attract.
Maybe next time Diane Abbott has a car-crash interview the other person should lean over and supportively ruffle her hair.
"Last time you checked it was about 50 was it? Aww, well done!"
"Last time you checked it was about 50 was it? Aww, well done!"
No, quite right. However when someone who is from a group that have historically faced a lot of oppression and bigotry seems to face a level of abuse that other equally inept people in comparable jobs don't, then you can't ignore that. It's especially telling that a lot of people have started saying shes a 'racist' because then of course it means they can more easily avoid that same charge being levelled at them.