"9/11 predates any foreign invasion in the middle east"
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Was literally just about to point that outI agree with the speech Corbin gave. At the same time I'm not sure if it was a smart speech.
Depressing that this is even controversial. It's a pretty obvious case of cause and effect. If you involve the country in decades of conflict, then there will be consequences and we've been living with them for a long time now. You might think it's a price worth paying for the potential outcome of changing regimes or trying to destroy unpleasant ideologies, but to suggest there's no correlation is just nonsensical. Right now Corbyn seems like the only adult in the room.
A problem Corbyn has always suffered with.
Not far off.
Early days but thats actually an okay headline. Most people will read the first part and say yeah they probably do.
Yeah i had to read that twice as it reads as if the former Mi5 chief had used the word.
I'm sure they'll apologise via some back channel later, perhaps a 10 year old MySpace account.
Do you mean the shameless photo of a Remain and Leave voter holding hands after the Jo Cox murder that you defended to the hilt or a different one?
Perhaps Corbyn should have advocated the death penalty for suicide bombers.
What solution has he offered though? The invasion of Iraq was a grievous mistake and one which will be long remembered, yet we must contend with the world as we now find it. Having a starting position of reluctance to future intervention is valid, and i think we've seen this with regards to Syria over the years(Cameron/Obama's defeat). However that doesn't mean we can simply turn our backs on the issues already present. Corbyn was unable to make this distinction with IS and Iraq, for instance. Britain should take some measure of responsibility, which we can't do by drawing in on ourselves.
Considering the timeline involved here, i also find the connection between the Manchester attacker and Libya to be pretty spurious. He and his family were not recent arrivals to the UK, and indeed had fled the Gaddafi regime themselves. We don't yet know his journey to radicalisation, yet there are a host of places besides Libya in which he could have sought training once that process had begun.
When you put this in the context of statements that Corbyn has made before (or endorsed), it strikes me as being a very cynical usage of the attack. Talking about cuts, if indirectly, would have been a far more respectful and appropriate means of approaching the topic. Although even then, i'n not whether the first morning back equates to good timing.
Whilst I can respect his PoV on domestic matters, foreign affairs is rather more of a challenge.
Take that back its now
"Corbyn faces furious backlash over 'inappropriate and crass' bid to ecploit Manchester bombing by blaming British warmongering'
Idiots
There is no overall solution, no one has or can offer that. He's offered two measures though, additional funding of the police and security services rather than tory underfunding and secondly a more robust analysis of the effects before we go to war to ensure they're actually making us safer.
Still the selective cliff notes on the Daily Mail don't even tell half the story.
Or when they are criticised by the BBC Trust for a misleading report just say they disagree.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38666914
The problem is it wasn't a mistake. There wasn't a feeling that there might be WMDs, it was known that there weren't any. It was a pack of lies from the start.
Not just a pack of lies but one held up by the almighty Blair not just ignoring British intelligence saying it would increase terrorism in the UK but keeping it from the British people entirely.
Why don't you write and ask him? That's not sarcasm btw, you'd almost certainly be given an in depth response.
So I guess the Andrew Neil interview tonight is going to be all about foreign policy and security now.
The Tory hysteria if Corbyn wins will be superb.
Owen Jones just said bastard on Sky News.
Was John McTernan in the room?Owen Jones just said bastard on Sky News.
Be better if he said it on C4 News to Jon Snow.Owen Jones just said bastard on Sky News.
Snow probably gets on with Corbyn. They both know about rallying the North in times of difficulty...
Snow probably gets on with Corbyn. They both know about rallying the North in times of difficulty...
Just looked over the stuff from the IFS. Bizarre state to be in
After the events in Manchester it was going to about foreign policy regardless of Corbyn speech today.
Yep, better to come out and confront it with a strong position, even if not everyone agrees with it. Otherwise he'd have been attacked from all sides for ducking the issue.
Maybe, but I doubt to the same extent. The onus would've been on Neil to justify politicising his record so soon after the events, which he doesn't need to do now.
Either way, doubt he'll come across anywhere near as poorly as May, and with the QT format that he's probably best in still to come.
I think you are well aware of which one i am referring to.
I never endorsed that attack on refugees, never promoted it here or anywhere else. And i shall criticise May when she likely uses this incident to further her previously announced internet restrictions. I won't be saying 'great speech' and 'well done' just because i've voted Tory in the past. My reaction is in line with what i said on Tuesday regarding the exploitation of events.
Now if other posters agree with Corbyn's professed views, be they through the Morning Star, StW or during his time as leader, that is for them to square with their politics.
Its a nothing speech. Its true but what's done is done, his own party long ago stirred the hornets nest, but he has no real plan of what to do next other. Shouting 'Tory this' and 'Tory that' isn't going to be enough.
Here's someone who didn't listen to the speech.
Did Corbyn actually say anything beyond that the war on terror did not work?
Edit: Anything that would justify the rightwing outrage?
Edit: Anything that would justify the rightwing outrage?
That's the key point. He's making cheap jibes in an attempt to bribe people for their vote. Pointless politician. Pointless party.
What'll be very interesting is if the Tories get the most seats but fall short of a majority...and the SNP hold the balance of power. Sturgeon would likely demand a second referendum during the Brexit process which would be incredibly chaotic: any leader who caves would look weak, but any leader who doesn't would have to presumably trigger another election which would disillusion more and more people.
I'll win £90 if it's a hung parliament
I'll win £90 if it's a hung parliament
I might just throw a massive lump on a Tory majority so I'm not too disappointed if it happens.
No but the attack lines were done before he uttered a word. You couldn't attack him on anything going by his actual speech.
Rudd going around saying foreign policy has nothing to do with terrorism. Oh okay, ignoring your security services now are we
Saw today that hung parliament has moved in from 8s to 7s since Monday. I've got £26 left in my hills account. Might stick it on Corbyn.
Ah good point, didn't think about that way.
As for the interview I can't image being any where near as bad as May(We are still talking about the Labour Party so you never know), although I'm not really a fan of O'Neil interviews anyway as for the most part its just him grilling the person being interviewed for an hour, there's not much of conservation or debate.
At least in the past with a conservative cnut like William Buckley there was something of a conservation and debate.
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