Gary Neville

Revan said:
It is not that he is not saying 'Ole Out'. More that he is screaming 'Ole In', and finding excuses (like we tried with LVG and Mourinho and it did not work). However, today Carragher was waiting for him to say it, and then made him immediately look like a total idiot.
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we’ve heard what he’s said very differently.

He was very critical of the coaches and players and said he expects the club to see the season out with him but also said something needs to change, and how pressurised the situation Is now with fans unwilling to accept those performances.

Neville’s narrative has changed in my view.
 
He honestly doesn't know what he wants Nev. He's got no answers to the questions been posed to him. He's getting passed off. He said he's never asked for a manager to get the sack and they should be given time over the years yet sacks a manager after 6 games himself, crazy logic
 
Drizzle said:
No he did not! He said give him the season.

Neville sets the mood music and this is disgracefully letting the club down. We're going to piss the season away on stupid sentiments like that.
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He didn't say give him the season, he said I think they will give him the season. There's a subtle difference
 
I think its pretty clear by how rattled he is he wants ole out but he just can't say it
 
Doesn't want Conte as he is "not a good fit for United", but Ole is! Gary is a boring pundit whose bias could not be more clear.
 
M Bison said:
we’ve heard what he’s said very differently.

He was very critical of the coaches and players and said he expects the club to see the season out with him but also said something needs to change, and how pressurised the situation Is now with fans unwilling to accept those performances.

Neville’s narrative has changed in my view.
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He mentions that 'he got second last season' to support Ole.

He says that we tried with good managers like LVG and Mourinho (even said that Mourinho was the best in the world, which was clear bullshit), so we should not go down that path.

And he explicitly says that Ole should not be sacked.

He is critical, but there is always a 'but' following the criticism.
 
arnie_ni said:
He didn't say give him the season, he said I think they will give him the season. There's a subtle difference
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agreed, I don’t know why people are twisting the comments, as you say it’s a subtle difference but it’s a completely different statement.
 
arnie_ni said:
I think its pretty clear by how rattled he is he wants ole out but he just can't say it
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Saw his take. Said he doesn't want Ole sacked. Doesn't want Conte. Said he made a mistake sacking a manager early last season. He is an awful pundit. Carra showing more passion for us.
 
Revan said:
He mentions that 'he got second last season' to support Ole.

He says that we tried with good managers like LVG and Mourinho (even said that Mourinho was the best in the world, which was clear bullshit), so we should not go down that path.

And he explicitly says that Ole should not be sacked.

He is critical, but there is always a 'but' following the criticism.
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he’s consistently said that he would never call for a manager to be sacked though. As I say, I think We’ve interpreted his comments differently.
 
arnie_ni said:
He didn't say give him the season, he said I think they will give him the season. There's a subtle difference
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And he did not say that he thinks the club should do anything other than that. The others on the panel are suggesting a different course of action, he has clearly stopped short of agreeing with them.
 
arnie_ni said:
He didn't say give him the season, he said I think they will give him the season. There's a subtle difference
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He's enabling that. If you can't see what he's doing then I can't help you. How is it that it's only him from the pundits who isn't clearly saying we need a better manager?

He's either stupid or he's toeing the party line. I know which I think.
 
2cents said:
Neville: “Mourinho was the best manager in the world when we hired him, look what happened there!”

Carragher: “So Manchester United shouldn’t look to hire the best manager in the world?”

Neville: “Uh…”
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Mourinho was widely regarded as a has been when we hired him.
 
I’m shocked that everybody else is shocked. It was odds on we would lose today. No form at all coming into this one. Snatching a late winner here and there doesn’t do it. Scousers were drilled, organised and confident. We were terrified, clueless and pathetic.
Mourhino lived in a vloody hotel for two years or whatever it was, some commitment that showed. Ole was hired because he is cheap salary wise.
 
He is a good pundit but it's obvious that Ole is a close friend and this situation is difficult for him, same with Scholes. They should excuse themselves from this debate.
 
M Bison said:
we’ve heard what he’s said very differently.

He was very critical of the coaches and players and said he expects the club to see the season out with him but also said something needs to change, and how pressurised the situation Is now with fans unwilling to accept those performances.

Neville’s narrative has changed in my view.
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I'm wondering what interview people were watching too, he literally said nothing is good enough, except say he needs sacked. Seems everyone fixated on him not calling out for hie head...................he also correct about the board he doesn't think they sack him asap as theyve no plan at the moment.


He never asked for a manager to be sacked, weird folks need him to say it.


He hammered everyone earlier
 
2cents said:
Neville: “Mourinho was the best manager in the world when we hired him, look what happened there!”

Carragher: “So Manchester United shouldn’t look to hire the best manager in the world?”

Neville: “Uh…”
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Was absolutely ridiculous.
Mourinho was well on the meltdown route by the time we had him.

Glad we did though, as we'd have forever been on about him, we had to satisfy that "what if".
 
lilcurt said:
Carragher talks the most sense.
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I remember him being almost furious when we were getting battered under a previous manager ( I forget which, might have been Moyes v Everton).

I suppose it's easier at times to speak as an outsider, which G Nev will never be about United.

There's games where you just know the manager is on his way out. Moyes had 3-0 batterings v Pool and City, but it was that Everton one that saw him out.

We've just had Leicester and today, and I think if he survives by sheer skin of teeth tonight, he's one big defeat off.
 
Dante said:
That's not what he's saying.

He's saying that we shouldn't bring in any old manager without a clear succession plan, and without planning to ensure that the next coach is a good fit for the squad. LvG was poor with Moyes' squad, and Mourinho was poor with LvG's squad. Both wasted huge amounts of money to remould the team and left it in tatters after they left.

Ole's built a talented squad but isn't good enough to get the best out of it. His replacement needs to be somebody who easily fits the existing philosophy without needing to spend hundreds of millions to rebuild from scratch.
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The bolded is our biggest issue as a club. We should have contingency plans in place as an institution but every time this point comes we act surprised that the manager hasn’t replicated the exception that is, SAF.

OgS has failed dramatically this season & after today should be in an untenable position. We shouldn’t keep OgS because another manager may fail, he’s had his chances.

We should have a very short list of managers who we feel for the profile we have [whatever that is], we shouldn’t be restricting ourselves to lists of unemployed managers. If the guy we want is in a job, we should either stump up & get him or hire a caretaker for exactly that purpose until the right candidate can leave his club.

Hiring the next manager should have nothing to do with sacking OgS. We convolute the process, OgS isn’t SAF leaving - tens of managers could manage the club to losses against Leicester, Everton & Young Boys.
 
Godfather said:
I wish he would stop talking about United.
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Unfortunately Sky love trying to get people into stupid arguments. I thought it was pathetic when Carragher said CR wouldn't get into Klopps team (on Monday) and the presenter looked at Neville expecting some sort of argument. It's like he's just trolling the pundits.

I'm waiting for next year when Carragher, Neville and Keane have to rank their children in order of intelligence while Sky eggs them on and hands Keane weapons.
 
M Bison said:
he’s always said he would never push for a manager to be sacked, so he’s not going to contradict himself by now saying Ole should be sacked.

His point was what he expects the club to do based on recent history. He’s been very critical of him today, further than I’ve heard him go previously.
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Yes but him saying he did it last season, regrets it and wishes he gave him until the end of the season suggests he feels the club would be right in taking that approach.
 
Adisa said:
Mourinho was widely regarded as a has been when we hired him.
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Not quite. He won the league just a year prior. There was a clear pattern of brief highs followed by the crash and burn, and the burgeoning sign of his approach in big games becoming less effective, but he was still considered one of the best in the game and most were willing to put the Chelsea fall out as a blip as it was his first real objectively bad season since he started.

His decline only became evident during his time here with us. There was no wide recognition of the fact prior to that.
 
There's no lengths he won't reach to avoid criticism on Ole. carragher is the one talking sense.
 
Watching him and Carragher after the game, you would think that Carragher is a United fan whereas Gary is a Liverpool fan who wants Ole to stay for as long as possible.
 
The biggest issue with sacking managers is that players are the previous manager's players and worked to his system.
That isn't an issue here as we don't have one!

Conte or whoever would surely be licking their lips at the prospect of picking this squad up.
 
Ralph1386 said:
Watching him and Carragher after the game, you would think that Carragher is a United fan whereas Gary is a Liverpool fan who wants Ole to stay for as long as possible.
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Carragher has repeatedly been spot on with us when we're very clearly in need of change. G Nev can't get over the Fergie spell, not recognising a 20+ year spell is a massive anomaly, not something you'll always be able to repeat.
 
Utterly embarrassing, lost a lot of respect for him. Can't listen to his views whilst Ole remains.
 
I think G Nev wields too much power at Old Trafford through his media influence and it’s getting irritating. Let’s face it, he’s the de facto chief executive of Manchester United when it comes to the team and the board are so rudderless they are scared to act any differently to what he says due to the backlash they’ll receive from him.
I actually prefer Carragher as he can put a coherent argument together unlike G Nev who seems to contradict himself a lot when it come to Ole.
 
He's a strange throwback coming out these with old mantras and adages as if their some cornerstone. We used to hear these things during the 70s 80s 90s in football and Gary holds onto these with dear life.

It just shows how thick he is if that comment about we tried Jose look how that turned out is true. Not only was Jose damaged by then and it was a gamble, he's saying United shouldn't hire a Tuchel, Klopp or Pep figure and that's insane. What is next once Ole does go, Giggsy, Butt, Fletcher? We've hired two past it and two not cut out for the job, we're yet to hire a top class manager and have wasted hundreds of millions that not even the law of averages can generate a major trophy or even a genuine challenge.

It's time to get serious as a club.
 
Boy Wonder said:
I think G Nev wields too much power at Old Trafford through his media influence and it’s getting irritating. Let’s face it, he’s the de facto chief executive of Manchester United when it comes to the team and the board are so rudderless they are scared to act any differently to what he says due to the backlash they’ll receive from him.
I actually prefer Carragher as he can put a coherent argument together unlike G Nev who seems to contradict himself a lot when it come to Ole.
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Wait till Gerrard gets the Liverpool job. Carragher will be in the same position and forced to contradict himself to defend his mate.

No guy is going to say on national television "sack my mate"
 
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