I am okay with criticism any player gets but the way Gary targets Martial and Pogba, its beyond that. I wont say its racism as Rashford gets away with it but it is certainly favoritism towards British Players. The way he spoke about Pogba felt as if he was bitter and disgruntled old man. He was one of my favourite player and will always be but i simply cant stand his opinions in general. He should refrain from commentating on United matches
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why mention it then. This place is joke sometimes. God forbid an absolute club legend has his piss boiled by someone who appears so nonplussed and laxidazy in the field but has obvious world class quality. Neville even says this!!! But nope, must be racism or not.So, the general consensus here seems to be that he did it deliberately. Correct?
There’s doing it deliberately like a keepers save (it wasn’t) or by being a bit of a shit arse And not taking it in the face (harsh).
I think he just shit himself and didn’t want to get hurt
This thread is mental.
Because i want to say that? Isnt that the point of forum? He is biased but not racist because Rashford got away with much worse performance. Gary is biased against Pogba and Martial. Need i remind you what he tweeted about Pogba when Mourinho was fired? Or how Martial gets the stick always despite having a better season than his favorite Rashford?
Being club legend doesn't mean i should agree with everything he says.
Edit : Nothing against Rashford. Just took as him as one of the example because a lot of other criticism Pogba gets is definitely racially motivated. Gary isnt, so made a distinction.
I would say he’s racist but he’s not just seems like such a pointless sentence.
Disagree with him all you like
That’s not controlling the reflex though. That’s being sensible to not be in a position of shock when the ball comes your way. I absolutely don’t dispute your point and it’s a good one. I don’t think I’ve said Pogba has NO blame. I was more just arguing with the people on here who clearly don’t understand what a reflex is.
Thats fair
If you watch the replays Lindelof I think it is behind Pogba who is also taking some kind of evasive action. Obviously pogba done wrong but our centre half seemingly had similar thoughts.
The problem with Gary Neville commentating on United is that he’s a fan and can’t separate the job from his love of United. At times last night at 0-0, when West Ham were applying a bit of pressure, Gary came across nervous just like any fan would be in a big game.
His United commentary is often similar to listening to one of your mates who who has a particular dislike for certain players and a love of others and you get the biased view of the game because of this. Which can be pretty annoying.
I’d rather not see him commentating on live United games. I’d have him in the studio to assess at half time or full time where he’d be a bit more balanced and have other opinions to take on board.
And yes Pogba was stupid last night. Another 2 points dropped from a mistake that one of our senior professionals shouldn’t be making. Neville’s reaction reinforces my opinion on the fan thing.
His United commentary is often similar to listening to one of your mates who who has a particular dislike for certain players and a love of others and you get the biased view of the game because of this. Which can be pretty annoying.
I’d rather not see him commentating on live United games. I’d have him in the studio to assess at half time or full time where he’d be a bit more balanced and have other opinions to take on board.
And yes Pogba was stupid last night. Another 2 points dropped from a mistake that one of our senior professionals shouldn’t be making. Neville’s reaction reinforces my opinion on the fan thing.
Kepa would kill for Pogba’s reflexes, fam.
Exactly my point too. At some point or other every player makes a mistake but poggers seems to get in in the neck more so than others. He'l just go score against Leicester and then shut the haters up.
It was darn annoying, and there was us originally thinking he'd taken a massive welly to the face and got up heroically
You have to laugh at his sheepish look when VAR were examining it! He knew. We all knew!
You have to laugh at his sheepish look when VAR were examining it! He knew. We all knew!
You are allowed to criticise a black footballer for his football performance if it is valid.
This shouldn't be lost, and racism shouldn't even be mentioned as a reason for a player being criticised if there is no basis to it. It clouds actual racism.
Ok I was really angry thereWhen Neville was saying he’s pretending it his is face I couldn’t quite see what was going on. When watching it back earlier he did instantly get up sheepishlyIt was darn annoying, and there was us originally thinking he'd taken a massive welly to the face and got up heroically
You have to laugh at his sheepish look when VAR were examining it! He knew. We all knew!
. We all knew, haProbably because people cant just go around calling anyone and everyone racist as they please
The level of patience you have to have on this forum is ridiculous. No one was called a racist
Think you should move on too.
Move on? Ive just jumped in to the most recent page and seen that post.The level of patience you have to have on this forum is ridiculous. No one was called a racist
Think you should move on too.
It seemed to go along the lines of someone mentioning or hinting at him being racist and another called it out, you called that poster out
what is Gary Neville bitter about? He strikes me as a man who has lived an amazing life experience and is very content!
Can you prove beyond mind reading any of this is racial?
What's my agenda?
I like Pogba, I think he's one of the best midfielders in world football, and I hope he signs a contract. However, he handballed it in the penalty area instead of taking it in the face. It's a penalty all day long and it was Pogbas fault. I was annoyed as soon as I saw it, weren't you? Have you ever played football? I've been taught to take one for the team whenever this scenario happens. It's taught from grass roots upwards.
Please, do tell me what my agenda is, you clearly know me so well?
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You do know that Neville more than likely knows a shedload more than any of us on a Man United forum about the goings on at the club he's spent pretty much all his life at, right? He probably has about 30+ "in the knows" telling him exactly whats going right and whats going wrong at the club he's supported all his life, and given his whole playing career to, right?
You clearly have selective hearing when it comes to Martial, Neville has heaped the praise on Martial since he's improved this season, saying hes a man transformed, saying he's a changed player, saying he looks happy, he loves playing with Rashford, loves passing and shooting, etc etc etc. Clearly you're missing all of that. How you've even brought the word racist into it is beyond me.
The need to be right.
None of the rest has any relevance. You can’t be taught how to reflex react and you can’t defy human nature. You can be told what to do or what not to do....you can raise your own awareness etc but in the split second None of those, particularly being told, will have any affect on your reaction because what you’re talking about is rational thought not instinctive reaction and in fact all the players around reacted instinctively.
You somehow tried to turn that into me proving that Pogba made a decision. It was an absolutely pathetic response to my post.
I was as annoyed as Neville about the Pogba handball.
What annoyed me more was him saying how dominant he said West Ham were at the end of the first half which was absolute bollocks.
What annoyed me more was him saying how dominant he said West Ham were at the end of the first half which was absolute bollocks.
Eh? You tried to prove that Pogba had no control over his body, despite myself being in that situation probably 20 times at amateur football, so I actually have something to back my point up. You have nothing to back your point up other than a guess.
Why would he apologise to his teammates at half time? "sorry I had no control over my body" ....... come off it. Stop protecting him to suit your agenda.
You're ignoring that many former pros who have played the game have said it was silly to give away a penalty when he could have taken one in the face.
Yet your need to be right has caused you to drive your agenda, excusing him because you "think" he has no time to react.
It's subjective. Lets agree to disagree.
Of course he apologised, his reaction was silly and it cost us a goal. No one is suggesting otherwise. It was however a reaction and research suggests people react to danger or perceived threat in different ways. Of course you don’t have control when you react, unless you have enough time in the secondary phase for rational thought to intervene. Our emotional response is our first response it’s a survival instinct, as a result, your body automatically reacts with the fight-flight-freeze response to keep you safe.
What you’re suggesting is only your own reaction, physiology determines there to be three varying types of response to threat which depend on the individual but cannot be controlled and are not in fact decisions, rather they are responses.
That you have been in that situation 20 times only proves your own response mechanisms, it proves nothing for Pogba or millions of other people who react differently.
Also he only had time to react....hence the handball....It would’ve been better if he had no time to react.
I have psychology, knowledge and education to back up my point. You have nothing but your own experience and ignorance.
Agree to disagree all you like or educate yourself better.
This is the worst part. The media feeds us what we don’t want, but all we do is show them we’ll consume negativity more than neutrality.
I think it was Ricky Gervais that ran some Twitter experiments, offering to donate thousands to Charity if not a single person liked or favourited his tweet. You can successfully guess that no money was given to charity.
We know what’s good and bad for us, but we still act like cnuts.
Ha, sort of glad he called Telegraph out on this one
He put his hands up because he hadn’t been paying attention to the shot, because he didn’t think it was going near him. If he’d been properly switched on as he should have been, there was no issue with getting out of the way or grazing the ball off his head and away for a corner or similar.
His head is actually pretty much out of the way of the ball when the hands go up anyway. It was pathetic, and if he’s honed his instincts so when a ball comes at him his automatic reaction is to put his hands up - instincts are honed patterns of response - then heaven help us.
It was an instant reaction and an incorrect one. Gary just used this opportunity to air his already framed opinion of Pogba. You people need to give it a rest. Mistakes happen in a football game. Pogba doesn't need to be fearless Viking warrior.
Neville said no different.
Neville spent the entire game wanking over how talented Pogba was, and about how we wanted to see him play further up the pitch.
Was near his worst first half on commentary at Leicester. You’d think we needed to win by two goals like at PSG by the way he was on at the players. I thought we grew into the game and didn’t want half time to come.