This is the thing. If we miss out on top 4 it's not going to be because of this incident. It's going to be because of our inability as a team to require the points throughout a whole year.
Gary Neville
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No player should ever raise their hands in that way . Turn your back or anything you just don't throw your hands up like that
It is, but i don't think that means you should blindly let a ball hit your face when it's struck as hard as Rice's shot was.
We'll have to agree to disagree then
True, but in that moment, he just went off instinct to protect his face. I don't think he even had time to think about it as it was goiung that fast. That's why - as disappointing as it was - I'm lenient to the situation.
I mean, the shot was not going on target anyway, Pogba could have ducked if he did not want to get hit.
Neville maybe harsh on him at times, but he has given away two of our last three league goals, without which we would be guaranteed top 4 by now.
Neville maybe harsh on him at times, but he has given away two of our last three league goals, without which we would be guaranteed top 4 by now.
You have three options in that situation:
1. Get in the way of the ball for the sake of your team, but risk getting hurt
2. Duck
3. Raise your hands
A footballer is literally paid not to do point 3.
Instinct is no excuse. If anything, it's an indictment against Pogba's professionalism that he would let his instinct take precedence over his training.
i completely disagree.
Scholes punching the ball against Zenit and refusing to come off the bench in his younger days was a lack of professionalism. Pogba protecting his face was not.
I've read through all the post since the game and no one has accused him of being racist, that you've just made up.
I've seen implication of him being xenophobic in his footy and that itself isn't far from the truth. He has his English bias while he rip into foreigners. How many time have you heard Neville go over the top on Maguire who had cost us goals 2 or 3 games in a row? Never. This tells you everything.
Heck ask yourself this question: How many times has Neville gone on some embarrassing rant when it comes to Pogba or a Martial or DeGea(When he just joined us)? Quite a few times but you'd never hear him go on embarrassing rants on any English player, not even Lingard. The fact the likes of Pogba, Martial, DeGea have gotten far worse criticism compared even to the likes of Lingard is another telling truth about Neville and his English bias. like someone mentioned, he is an Englander.
Seriously boring co-commentator.
Rubbish. He criticises English players all the time. You're just ignoring it because it fits in with your own prejudices.
So if De Gea makes a horrendous mistake on Sunday and costs us CL it doesn’t matter because you know, we weren’t good enough the previous games.
Who in the public eye is going to admit to those especially being a racist ?
I think he is prejudiced against non english players as he has shown bias again and again however as far as being a racist him denying he is a racist is not going to prove anything is it ?
A season is 38 games, to be fair. What we do in those previous 37 will have been just as important as in the last one. However, it will definitely hurt more being the last game for sure.
I don't disagree with what Gary was saying but some posters on here are correct to point that there was hate and disgust in his voice when he was talking about the Pogba incident.
Evra taking a dig at him or being silent on Rashford's terrible performance was funny.
Evra taking a dig at him or being silent on Rashford's terrible performance was funny.
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Not as embarrassing as Gary Neville beating the ground like a baby having a tantrum against Man City because he didnt get a penalty for a clear dive. That was embarrassing
Are you willing to admit you're racist? Because if you are, then I'll believe. But if you're not, then I won't believe you.
Logic.
This forum sure has a strange hate boner for one of the biggest Manchester Utd fans in the world.
He clearly has a personal hate of Pogba and is unable to disguise it . Evra knows it we know it everyone with a brain can see it .
However he gets paid a lot of money to be a pundit on Sky not to air out his personal vendettas and if he is unable to do that properly which appears to be the case then he should lose his job
Hell hath no fury like a Pogba fanboy scorned.
You are the one posted a video if him answering a question about a disgraceful incident which occured proves he is not ?
Again no one said he was racist he is clearly prejudiced though against certain people . Hard for him to be racist when he fawns over Rashford yet sits on the edge of his seat ready to spew hatred on Pogba and some others at the slightest opportunity
This is why I love you. Some sense at last!
It’s individual errors like this though
So why isn’t this happening week in, week out
I have never seen a player do this since Ronaldo did it against Villa (?)
I am bemused how people get so upset with what he said
I am bemused how people get so upset with what he said
Look at the picture what are Lindelof and Fosu Mensah doing ?
Turning their body and not sticking their hands up in the air above their head
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What Pogba should have done also.
Turn your back or duck, like normal players do. At worse, put your hands on your face. Just don't put your hands up in the air inside the box.
It is a stupid thing to do. Blaming it on instinct is worse.
They are doing the same thing by instinct plus Maguire the 80 million centre back who is shoving lindelof towards the ball instead of himself
Ive always found Jamie to be the better commentator. Neville tries to parade around like his isnt biased and tries to show everyone he isnt biased by being biased against united players. In addition he will only ever talk shite about non english players. Note to everyone on here claiming he isnt racist, hes xenophobic clear as day. There is a difference between the two. On top of that there is a houlier than thou attitude he has. Thinking like he knows everything. If he did know everything he wouldn't have been a failed manager. As you can tell there is a lot to dislike about the fella
Players like Rashford, Maguire, Lingard (Lol) will never be talked about by Neville unless to highlight how great their game was. Pogba and Martial however, just look back to the last 2 years of commentary Neville has done. Constantly berating them. As far as i care he can feck off frankly.
Atleast with Carragher he doesnt try to hide the fact that he is biased however he still gives a fairer objective point of view of other teams when commentating.
Edit: just to try and make it clear. Im not excusing Pogba for his game today. All im saying is Neville cant wait to lay into the Martial's and Pogba's of this team as soon as they have a bad game whilst the english players get a pass time and time again.
I've been upset with Gary since he didn't boycott playing away games at Anfield.
I would say that's close...more people will probably remember pogba being afraid of the football in the long run...either way one has nothing to do with the other.
I am bemused how people get so upset with what he said
Neville's first instinct is to defend Paul Pogba.
Gary's problem is that he's a Pogba-fanboy who's first reaction is to defend his favourite player before even looking at the evidence.
Or, maybe, Pogba could not be a complete fanny and then Neville won't have to point it out?
You are being embarrassing now . Neville has an irrational hatred of pogba which pretty much everyone else can see and has seen for a long time
Imagine actually thinking Gary Neville has an irrational hatred of Paul Pogba. This site has so many people with, ironically, an irrational hate of Gary Neville.
It's not about what they think or dont think. Moving to protect part of your body is an instinctive movement you can do nothing about, and that's why it's not considered deliberate. Pogba got the penalty because it was so far away and he was so theatrical about it. TFM also put his hands up.
I'm not sure that's even the issue. It's twice now in two home games where he's put us at a disadvantage before we've even got going. You expect a higher level of concentration and professionalism from a seasoned, world cup winning pro.
I can excuse TFM; he's very inexperienced given his lay off, and he's not good enough for this level. He made error after error but the shot from Rice should never have been handled by one of our best players.