Everyone ? What annoyed me was the fact Pogba went anywhere near the pen at the time . The uproar on here abusing Neville is actually hilarious. I've never seen as many drama queens in one place . I was at the game and to a man everyone I could see or hear was saying the same thing . Don't let him take the pen ... It's not Pogbas fault it's the managers for creating the situation to start with .
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Everyone ? What annoyed me was the fact Pogba went anywhere near the pen at the time . The uproar on here abusing Neville is actually hilarious. I've never seen as many drama queens in one place . I was at the game and to a man everyone I could see or hear was saying the same thing . Don't let him take the pen ... It's not Pogbas fault it's the managers for creating the situation to start with .
That's a great response from Cole.
What are you talking about? He's our designated penalty taker, he took nearly all our penatiles last season.
And if anyone was being a drama queen it was Neville.
Were you confident? He doesn’t have a great record. All the reds I was watching it with groaned when we saw he was taking it, as if we expected him to miss. I’m not in the business of abusing someone for missing a penalty, but I don’t think he should be taking them.
Glad someone spoke out on it.https://talksport.com/football/5912...-paul-pogba-missed-penalty-manchester-united/
Andy Cole left scratching his head like most of us by Gary's comments on Pogba. Dude went on to accuse Pogba of treachery over a missed penalty, i'd like to reiterate that bit again
Also worth noting that Gary immediately tweeted "i Knew it" once Pogba missed the penalty(I'm sure most people weren't even aware of this bit here). This guy has to calm down.
And his record is shocking . He shouldn't be any where near pens and anyone knows that and its why most of the fans standing around me where saying someone take the ball of him . If we had a Keane on the pitch he wouldn't have been anywhere near it that's what I'm talking about ... So we get a pen against Palace at the weekend will our " designated pen taker " hit it ? I guarantee you he won't
How do you know that? He took our penalties last year and clearly was going to take the Chelsea one before Rashford asked to take it.
Saying you think someone else should take them now is another argument, one I agree with, he's had his chance and missed too many. But that's got nothing to do with Nevilles comments. Had Neville said that....I doubt many would disagree
Did this actually happen? You're the first person I've seen anywhere make such a statement.
We have designated penalty takers, we have 2 of them.
It's not like it's something new or never happened. So much drama on a penalty miss. Even in 2016-17, Pogba took first penalty and then Martial took the second one, both times Rooney handed over the ball to others. This was in 4-0 win in Europa league.
Christ, it always seemed to end bad for Nani.
And he is the main penalty taker and has been for last season too..let's not forget this. A guy who's the main pen taker criticised for treachery after missing a pen. Unbelievable how this twat Neville has any sympathisers. Been saying for a while Carragher is by far the better pundit but top reds found that insulting
They briefly talked but it seems that Rashford was going to take it, he immediately went for the ball after the foul.
PKs are not lotteries but they aren't as easy as you make it out to be either, goalkeepers aren't there for show, they are very tall specimens who train cover to most of the goal area day in day out, so you have to give credit to them too. If you pick a corner and place the ball there and if the goalkeepers dives to that area, there is a chance he can save it. Add in the pressure in itself of taking penalties, there is nothing surprising about players missing few penalties.
I know it because he's shit at penalties and at any other club he wouldn't be anywhere near them . People are upset at Neville because some moron thought it's okay to racially abuse Pogba if that didn't happen the song and dance on here wouldn't be happening. Neville is a fan and like I said it's exactly what every fan around me at the game was saying
First thought I had too when Pogba stepped up . His pens are shite . I hope we get a pen against Palace just to see who takes it .
More Pogba fans on this thread than United fans
I'm very curious to understand how much of Neville's comments are results driven. i.e. if he would have taken the same stance if Pogba had scored. It seems relatively obvious that Neville finds Pogba very frustrating and it feels like this is another opportunity to express that frustration. However, if it's purely based on whether the ball hits the back of the net or not then the argument loses a lot of value. Neville is arguing a point of process and leadership and those should be true regardless. It's obviously not possible to know whether a different result changes the process argument, but I think it's worth trying to separate the two. What the confusion around designated penalty taker does is allow the narrative to form, regardless of who takes/ misses it. Rashford misses - "why didn't Pogba take it? Brilliant bit of skill to make the chance, he'd have buried the penalty with his confidence so high..."
Rashford should be allowed the chance of a miss or two but one thing for sure Pogba should be about half way down the line or penalty takers . If Jesse or Martial had his record he would be no where near them .
Why do people care so much what Gary Neville says? Is he really that highly rated analyst in England?
I gave up watching him after around 2 or 3 shows where he proved to be biased as feck towards player he likes, especially English players, I can't listen to anything he says and believe he thinks it. His silent domination crap on Rooney was was one of the worst pieces of analysis I have ever seen, I couldn't believe he didn't laugh once while talking about it, it looked like stand up show where you expected him to burst out laughing at the end saying he made some experiment with the viewers or something.
It just another proof that people will do anything for more fame, even if they are filthy rich.
I gave up watching him after around 2 or 3 shows where he proved to be biased as feck towards player he likes, especially English players, I can't listen to anything he says and believe he thinks it. His silent domination crap on Rooney was was one of the worst pieces of analysis I have ever seen, I couldn't believe he didn't laugh once while talking about it, it looked like stand up show where you expected him to burst out laughing at the end saying he made some experiment with the viewers or something.
It just another proof that people will do anything for more fame, even if they are filthy rich.
Treachery? Everyone was pissed at Pogba for missing his peno, it did cost us 2 points, and it did make more sense to let Rashford take it. However, accusing someone of treachery is absolutely unwarranted and ridiculous. A shite comment by a shite pindit.
I was yelling "this is perfidiousness!" at the tv when he missed.
Right....and your opinion decides who takes penalties for United ? Nice one.
Great constructive reply
the best thing about this Neville stuff is our fans are siding with Pogba for a change
our fans have been very critical of Pogba over the years (justifiably at times, but other times unfairly IMO), but when Nev basically does the same - he gets destroyed for it
our fans have been very critical of Pogba over the years (justifiably at times, but other times unfairly IMO), but when Nev basically does the same - he gets destroyed for it
We are bonafide idiots while he is supposed to not be one.
I think the problem here is that we thought Gary wasn't an idiot and he turned out to be one.
His inane ranting would fit right in to the United Forum. Maybe he's been reading it and thinks that is what United fans want to hear. Constant and relentless criticism of United and everything to do with the running of the club.
Exactly, he is basically like the average caf poster which is damning more than anything else.
Such a feckhead.
Gaz is just an emotional guy. And that's lovely.
It's because like it or not he's a powerful figure in football media. If a United "legend" it seen calling our best player selfish and treacherous, how else do you think the media and opposition are going to react? no wonder the racists decided to target him after that as they feel he's a fair target.
The main point is he would never have handled it the same way with other players. If it was Rashford and Lingard deciding between themselves he would have had about 10 seconds and left it.
Well do you have anything more than your opinion 'Pogba is shit at penalties' to back up your claim that Pogba wasn't the penalty taker ? Because all the evidence which isn't your opinion, suggests Pogba was following instructions and well within his rights to take the penalty.
If you want to say you felt Rashford should've took it or that Pogba shouldn't take anymore penalties that's a different argument and one I'd agree with, but your claiming Pogba broke rank on penalties, acted against the managers instructions based on the fact 'you know it because Pogba is shit at penalties'.
That argument only deserves the reply it got. It's moronic.
Pogba was not under instruction to do anything. Rashford picked up the ball and was preparing to take the penalty, like anyone with a perfect penalty-taking conversion rate would do, Pogba then walked over to him and proceeded to talk him out of it, in favour of taking it himself.
Why do you think Pogba did that?
Can I just say - because I haven't seen it discussed yet, which is a huge surprise because it's so obvious - that the science and technology in the game today means it makes total sense for there to be at least two designated pen takers...
Goalkeepers are privy to so many stats about penalty takers (them and their gk coaches study opposition players) that it makes sense to mix it up a bit.
Ole has appointed two pen takers at the club; two players who will play in the majority of games - he has explained this perfectly well and it makes total sense. Why is it still a discussion?
Because we missed one? Go figure
Pogba being our sole penalty taker from last season wasn't under any instruction to do anything, really? How does that make sense?
The same way Pogba stepped aside to let Rashford take the pen last week, Rashford was just returning the favor this match. We missed the pen, the keeper made a great save, it happens. We should move on, I really don't see the big deal here.
Also, why do people talk about Rashford's conversion rate as if that makes him 100% certain to score? He's taken 2 penalties altogether for us, how that translates to such confidence I never know.
If Rashford would have taken the pen and missed, would there be as big an uproar calling him selfish & treacherous? The answer to that should highlight the big problem here.
A Legend of ManUnited vs A Legendary Moaner.
Exactly. People are talking as if Rashford has converted 20 penalties or something. The guy has taken 2 penalties and all of a sudden everyone else beside him taking penalties is overstepping their boundaries.
I'm sure at 2 pens, Pogba also had a spotless record. Some people just need to calm down.
He’s taken 6 career penalties and scored them all but no player is guaranteed to score.