Yeah. His personal agenda against Pogba has gotten quite unsettling now. He's even willing to accuse others of lying in order to perpetrate his bullshits about Pogba.
Gary Neville
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It's quite simple.
Almost all clubs throughout the nearly 40 years that I've been watching football have had a designated penalty taker.
It is abnormal not to have a designated penalty taker.
You must surely have noticed this, unless you've never watched football before.
The only two reasons you would change your designated penalty taker would be (a) if there was a pre-match agreement, which Solskajer confirmed that there wasn't.
Or (b) if a certain player has had a bad run, which, in this case, was the complete opposite of what occurred. Pogba insisted on taking the penalty, because according to Solskjaer he felt confident, despite the fact that he had a poor record, and then missed it.
As soon as you don't have a designated penalty taker, which is decided before the game, you open your players, manager, team and club up to confusion and controversy, particularly if you let the players decide on the field of play who is going to take penalties, based on who feels confident.
The underlined is exactly what the manager has stated is the current policy of the club.
So this is either an absolutely stupid policy. Or Solksjaer is covering for Pogba because he has no authority over him. Or both.
Alternatively, if Rashford demanded to take the penalty against Chelsea, when Pogba was the designated penalty taker, then this was completely wrong.
But it seems far more likely that Rashford was always intended to take any penalty awarded against Chelsea because he, you know, scores them.
And then once he's scored, it would then make far more sense for him to take penalties going forward, rather than to revert to someone who misses them.
However, regardless of this, it's neither normal nor healthy to have an ongoing debate over who takes penalties, and for it to be decided on the field of play, by the players, on the basis of who feels confident, particularly when it's a really important penalty that proved decisive in the match.
This is not a revelation, or some sort of controversial view that needs to be tested in court. It's literally the bleeding obvious.
That's why absolutely everyone in the media, whose job it is to give their professional opinion on football, agrees with me.
I can't make it any clearer for you than that.
I don't have an 'agenda' whatsoever, I'm just stating the absolute bleeding obvious that absolutely everyone commenting in the media has already observed as well.
If anything, you have an 'agenda' to defend Pogba at all costs, even to the detriment of Manchester United, who you presumably support.
But it doesn't matter whose fault it is, whether it's Rashford's fault, Pogba's fault, Solskjaer's fault, or a combination of the three, you can't allow a situation to develop in which players debate on the field of play who is going to take a penalty, based on who is or isn't confident. And then someone takes the penalty off someone who scored last week, and then misses.
It's an absolute joke, which is why Carragher called it a joke. Don't worry, though, he has an agenda as well. Chris Sutton has an agenda. Craig Burley has an agenda. Everyone has an agenda, unless they agree that Paul Pogba should never, ever be criticised.
The other thing would be surely when it comes to training there would be extra practice assigned to the players expected to step up should the time arise to convert a penalty. I personally think they should have so much practice with penalties that they do not have a favored side as Rooney did going hard to his left side.
Sad to say it but without checking stats I do recall Gerard being good at spot kicks.
Sad to say it but without checking stats I do recall Gerard being good at spot kicks.
You can't make it any clearer because from your side it's all guesswork and bluster. The only things we know for sure are that Pogba was our penalty taker last season and scored his last penalty last season, and the interview Rashford gave after the Chelsea game where he confirmed he wasn't the designated penalty taker.
It's quite simple that you can't just admit you were wrong. Everything else you said is irrelevant.
You jumped to conclusions just like Neville and now you're rambling and backtracking to save face.
Bleeding obvious such as constructing mythical assumptions and passing them as 'obvious' facts?
I'm critical of Pogba when he has done something to warrant that. He was first choice penalty taker at Man Utd last season, he allowed Rashford to take one versus Chelsea after the couple exchanged few words. The same thing happened in return at Molineux. It's not the ideal situation for any team but I don't see why Pogba has to be the only one to be given stick for it.
This is something almost everyone has been in agreement all along. Ole shouldn't be a weak manager and have a designated penalty taker and share the same with public to avoid this drama.
What is an absolute joke is apparent lack of self-reflection from you. These are the words written by you on this thread on Pogba:
How can you say with a straight face that these are all objective things written by you? Everything is based on your assumptions to establish a narrative of Pogba as a selfish, ego-centric, uncontrollable individual who wants to be center of attention of everything. You want to be critical of player? You have every right to do so but not at the expense of his character. If you do then you're going to be called out on your bullshit.
Anyways, this has gone on for too long. It is 'pretty obvious' to me that you still don't want to admit where you're wrong. You jumped the gun just like Gary Neville without doing any actual research, just to lay into Pogba. This won't lead anywhere, I just wanted to point out your hypocrisy to the rest of this forum which I have done.
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Honestly Neville might be right.
I'm amazed you manage to write such a long post just based on assumption and imaginary scenario in your head. If you can construct this kind of fictional story that you mention as fact, maybe try making film scenario instead of blaming everybody at the club
Such a huge post without watching what the manager and player said about penalty taking duties.
This is something almost everyone has been in agreement all along. Ole shouldn't be a weak manager and have a designated penalty taker and share the same with public to avoid this drama.
Anyways, this has gone on for too long. It is 'pretty obvious' to me that you still don't want to admit where you're wrong. You jumped the gun just like Gary Neville without doing any actual research, just to lay into Pogba. This won't lead anywhere, I just wanted to point out your hypocrisy to the rest of this forum which I have done.
Those are the key points of this little rumpus for me. I'd like a designated penalty taker (Rashford ideally) sorted before kick-off so that no indecision and chatter creeps in when penalties are given. However as you say most people seem to be in agreement on that, it is the jumping of the gun to lay blame at various doors, mostly Pogba's, from fans and disappointingly Neville and his ilk that turned this from a minor irritation into a major talking point.
Or maybe completely wrong and too proud to admit it.
And this, my friends, is how systemic white supremacy works.
Posting that doesn't make him right.
You think it's most likely that Rashford lied in advance of This weeks game? You'd question the integrity of Ole? You suggest extremely high level employees of adidas decided to invent stories, that could easily have been proven to be untrue at any point in the future?
I mean he might be right, but the more characters he questions in his crusade....all of these people are making up stories to protect Pogba ?
The more it looks like actually it's not them Gary, it's you.
Unless he has proof?
Well my point is this:
1. Pogba could have had ill intentions and strategically wanted to implict. It’s possible.
2. Gary says it shouldn’t be any question who takes the pen. That it should be no doubt at all prior to the game.
That’s all I’m saying, I’m ok with reasonable doubt.
1. It was an Adidas promo, there were pictures of him and Dybala at the event the day before. The tweet was posted by Adidas. Anything other doesn't really make sense since it would consist of Pogba using an Adidas promotional event to negative effect and also require high level Adidas officials to fabricate the story.
You might want it to be true like a lot of fans, but it's unlikely in the extreme give. The evidence.
2. Gary can say what he likes but when you see the events of the week before it's perfectly clear that Ole and Rashford aren't lying. It's the exact same line of events that was given a week earlier.
I'm not claiming Neville is racist but you only have to listen to him talking - remember his famous rant about lattes on Sky?
The man is basically a 65-70yr old Northerner in the body of someone 20yrs younger. He's always come across as an old codger in a young man's body. He isn't racist but he definitely has the same attitude towards racism and the modern era as a pensioner might. IE - Oh, get on with it, shit happens.
I've already quoted precisely what Solskjaer said:
This is just an absolutely ridiculous policy. That's why absolutely everyone commenting in the media, whether ex-players or journalists, agrees with me.
Or he's lying to cover for Pogba. Mourinho did a similar thing previously, as noted in the Daily Telegraph article that I linked to below.
Sorry, I was forgetting, I'm not allowed to criticise Pogba, his attitude and behaviour is above reproach. And if I do criticise him then it makes me a racist.
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Everyone commenting in the media agrees with me, whether ex-player or journalist. This article in the Daily Telegraph:How can you say with a straight face that these are all objective things written by you? Everything is based on your assumptions to establish a narrative of Pogba as a selfish, ego-centric, uncontrollable individual who wants to be center of attention of everything. You want to be critical of player? You have every right to do so but not at the expense of his character. If you do then you're going to be called out on your bullshit.
Anyways, this has gone on for too long. It is 'pretty obvious' to me that you still don't want to admit where you're wrong. You jumped the gun just like Gary Neville without doing any actual research, just to lay into Pogba. This won't lead anywhere, I just wanted to point out your hypocrisy to the rest of this forum which I have done.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...nalty-farce-must-lesson-ole-gunnar-solskjaer/
...is almost word for word what I've said.
It's frankly staggering that anyone who supports Manchester United is willing to defend what occurred. Obviously you're perfectly happy to just throw points away. It's even more staggering that people are now concluding that Gary Neville is racist.
Frankly, many people commenting in this thread have written scandalous things, but I'm quite confident that I'm not one of them, as everyone who is paid to give an opinion on football agrees with me.
We have designated penalty takers, we have 2 of them.
It's not like it's something new or never happened. So much drama on a penalty miss. Even in 2016-17, Pogba took first penalty and then Martial took the second one, both times Rooney handed over the ball to others. This was in 4-0 win in Europa league.
Amidst the racism discussion and who United's designated penalty taker is, one important issue has been swept under the carpet. What a poor penalty that was by Pogba, highlighting yet again how unprofessional so many professional footballers are even it comes to taking penalties. It is mind-boggling that penalties have an expectation of roughly 75% when it should be above 90. It doesn't take a lot of research to figure out where penalties are supposed to be hit (hint: not low and not down the middle). I can't believe that even managers in this day and age with all the scientific analysis that is part of the game now still describe penalties as a 'lottery'. I rant about this quite frequently because quite frankly there isn't much that annoys me more in football.
We have designated penalty takers, we have 2 of them.
It's not like it's something new or never happened. So much drama on a penalty miss. Even in 2016-17, Pogba took first penalty and then Martial took the second one, both times Rooney handed over the ball to others. This was in 4-0 win in Europa league.
That's an interesting walk down memory lane, and certainly adds credence to the idea this isn't some unforgivable scandal over which Pogba and Ole should be taken out and flogged. However as Fergie says in the first tweet he should have avoided the situation of Nani grabbing the ball by just saying 'RVP is the taker until further notice, end of', so I hope we name Rashford as our first choice taker now and draw a line under the whole fiasco.
Yeah, we should name Rashford as our primary penalty taker. He takes good ones.
This is just pathetic from you. Many including myself along with hundred of journalists are in agreement that there should be just one designated penalty taker in the squad, there should be no drama surrounding it.
Again you're making assumptions just to draw a narrative. Do you work for Sun by any chance?
Which has nothing to do with what I said in this thread, but continue to deflect
The problem wasn't that opinion of having just one designated penalty taker was scandalous. It was the character assassination of Pogba which you did over a number of posts on the basis of number of assumptions which you made. I don't want to embarrass you over and over again by quoting those posts, they are visible in this thread itself. But once, again you're too thick or too cowardly to acknowledge in any shape or form, that what you wrote was over the top.
I think most United fans would agree that Rashford should be our first choice taker displacing Pogba.
Even in this forum, there's always been a strong racial element to the heat Pogba has gotten.
I've seen plenty racial remarks go unpunished by the mods.
Whenever I bring attention to them I get warnings myself 
I've seen plenty racial remarks go unpunished by the mods.
Whenever I bring attention to them I get warnings myself
RVN had a favored side on pens but was also very efficient at scoring from that side. As long as the placement is good, with the right amount of pace, keepers have no chance
For me, it was the personal nature of the attack. The man can do one.
The operative word is systemic. I'd say it's an example of racism that is both layered and systemic. In the case of Rashford and Pogba, Neville will always take the side of the former because he has less characteristics of the "other" than Rashford.
Pogba = Black, Foreign and Muslim
Rashford = Black
If it were an argument of Rashford and someone like McTominay, I guarantee you that Neville would criticise Rashford as out of those 2, Rashford is the "other" due to being from a minority.
This sort of discrimination I'd say is worse than say the UKIP party as they are at least open about it (but are never called terrorists due to being melanin deficient). This is worse as Neville can hide behind the fact that both Pogba and Rashford are black knowing that people generally dont analyse beyond surface level issues. The way in which racism is criticised in the UK and US is abhorrent as it never explores the systemic nature of the issues.
I wish he would tweet something irritating about Trump. Now that would be very interesting if it gets retweeted a few times.
He did but only only because his goal against Spurs was chalked off due to VAR.
Neville is a tv celeb/star at this point. He knows talking about Pogba generates more clicks/views. The accuracy of his judgements don't matter. When he talks crap about Pogba two things happen:
- Those that dislike Pogba enjoy listening to him because he "says it how it is" and gives him a real go.
- Those that like Pogba talk about how much of a ridiculous idiot Neville is.
Both generate clicks and views. For someone like Neville it's all about staying relevant.
This is dumb. It makes discussions about actual racism look stupid. Yes systemic racism exists but Neville is just trying to stay relevant. Besides, I can easily see him criticize McTominay more than say Wan Bissaka.
Ok, agreed.
https://talksport.com/football/5912...-paul-pogba-missed-penalty-manchester-united/
Andy Cole left scratching his head like most of us by Gary's comments on Pogba. Dude went on to accuse Pogba of treachery over a missed penalty, i'd like to reiterate that bit again
Also worth noting that Gary immediately tweeted "i Knew it" once Pogba missed the penalty(I'm sure most people weren't even aware of this bit here). This guy has to calm down.
Andy Cole left scratching his head like most of us by Gary's comments on Pogba. Dude went on to accuse Pogba of treachery over a missed penalty, i'd like to reiterate that bit again
Also worth noting that Gary immediately tweeted "i Knew it" once Pogba missed the penalty(I'm sure most people weren't even aware of this bit here). This guy has to calm down.
https://talksport.com/football/5912...-paul-pogba-missed-penalty-manchester-united/
Andy Cole left scratching his head like most of us by Gary's comments on Pogba. Dude went on to accuse Pogba of treachery over a missed penalty, i'd like to reiterate that bit again
Also worth noting that Gary immediately tweeted "i Knew it" once Pogba missed the penalty(I'm sure most people weren't even aware of this bit here). This guy has to calm down.
Yep
Yep this tweet. It's like he was just waiting for Pogba to feck up so he can stick the knife in. What a petty person.
I still can't believe he accused him of treachery. Jesus Christ.
https://talksport.com/football/5912...-paul-pogba-missed-penalty-manchester-united/
Andy Cole left scratching his head like most of us by Gary's comments on Pogba. Dude went on to accuse Pogba of treachery over a missed penalty, i'd like to reiterate that bit again
Also worth noting that Gary immediately tweeted "i Knew it" once Pogba missed the penalty(I'm sure most people weren't even aware of this bit here). This guy has to calm down.
Cole is spot on
Sometimes Neville should calm down a bit.
I've seen a few posters refer to a "treachery" accusation, what did Neville say?
He said it was treachery for Pogba to have took the pen. Even though he singlehandedly won it, and both Ole and Rashford were fine with him doing so.
"Before he took the pen I was fuming. I was thinking it's typical Pogba, selfish."
"Why are you even thinking of taking a penalty off of a player?
"The only reason I'm holding back from calling it treacherous is that before before the one against Chelsea, Pogba and Rashford had a long chat and maybe it was Rashford who took it off Pogba against Chelsea.
The fact he goes straight in with calling him selfish and then skirts around being treacherous is what's annoyed everybody. It was more the anger and animosity he went with. Was clearly angry he missed and couldn't wait to get the knife out.