why should he lie? We dont have a designated penalty taker. Yes Rashford scored the last ones, but that was because Pogba wasnt on the pitch or because he won them. I dont think he lies, the policy might be stupid to you, others find it reasonable. To me personally, i liked LvGs approach the most, with a clear hierarchy who takes them until you miss, where the next guy in line steps up. All about opinions i guess, but i would assume Rashford, Pogba and martial are our 3 best ones in that department.
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why should he lie? We dont have a designated penalty taker. Yes Rashford scored the last ones, but that was because Pogba wasnt on the pitch or because he won them. I dont think he lies, the policy might be stupid to you, others find it reasonable. To me personally, i liked LvGs approach the most, with a clear hierarchy who takes them until you miss, where the next guy in line steps up. All about opinions i guess, but i would assume Rashford, Pogba and martial are our 3 best ones in that department.
I honestly don't care what he says nowadays. Used to love him. Compare him to the likes of Ruud, Berba, Evra......May as well be a scouser haha. I know it's his job to be be an analyst but he can eat dick!
I'm not blaming him for the racism, but I am blaming him for targetting Pogba. He's the reason the abuse is being aimed at him mainly.
Yes we were all frustrated at the penalty miss but he made it out to be WAY more than it needed to. Guarantee you if it was the other way around he would have shrugged it off like "Rashford felt confident so in that moment im pleased he stepped up and showed leadership". It's so blatant but he can't stop himself.
Why did he criticise him Chris? why did Pogba deserve a 30 minute tyrade against him?
If there was a fair reason to criticise him then yes fair enough. But this wasn't needed. The angry way he went about it was what caused this reaction. It gives the racists and Bigots a reason to come at Pogba with an excuse.
At some point during Mourinho's era He was full of praise of Pogba. Feck him, He changes his tunes more frequently than a baby changes his diapers. And I got called a twat for telling the truth, just ignore his speech, He's a pundit. What do you expect?
In fact when Jose came into Skysports' studio, He spoke more sense in his 30 mins than the other pundits combined for 3 years. Jose's speech about manager's tactics were spot on as much as I despise him after leaving us on a bitter note. The rest were paid clowns, not credible enough to talk about management or criticize players so harshly. But They get paid to do it, to create controversy.
In fact when Jose came into Skysports' studio, He spoke more sense in his 30 mins than the other pundits combined for 3 years. Jose's speech about manager's tactics were spot on as much as I despise him after leaving us on a bitter note. The rest were paid clowns, not credible enough to talk about management or criticize players so harshly. But They get paid to do it, to create controversy.
At this rate we cannot criticise any player without risking being accused of fomenting racism or prejudice etc
Nope, not to this extend.
Ever since that tweet when Mourinho got sacked that showed his true colours. By all means he can dislike him as a player but he always makes it personal.
He didn't even wait to see the facts last night, he killed him and asked questions later - that's not on for a mainstream pundit. He lost his composure and made himself look embarrasing.
Even Carragher and the host were laughing at him
Congratulations Gary, I hope you're proud. Your idiotic reaction caused this.
So when he said Pogba can be player of the year, was that racist too?
Just reading about this now. What a thundercnut.
Here are some of the issues with what Solskjaer has suggested (which seems to be an obvious lie, to me, anyway):
- Both players could be 'feeling confident', in which case how do you decide who takes it?
- Neither player could be 'feeling confident', in which case how you decide who takes it?
- What happens if both players say, as Solskajer said, "this is mine"?
- You can't measure confidence as it's an abstract concept that means different things to different people, and no individual can ever know how confident another person is feeling, so it's not possible to determine who's the most confident. Not that this would be a usual procedure for determining who takes a penalty anyway.
- What happens when you get an important penalty at a critical time in a big game? Are you going to have some debate over who takes it?
- Doesn't the whole concept of deciding who is the most confident, and then allowing them to take penalties, just instil a sense of uncertainty in the team and individual players?
- If taking penalties is decided by 'confidence' then why not decide other roles in the team, particularly related to set-pieces, by confidence? Why have the manager decide anything, why not just send the players out and let them sort things out on the field of play via ongoing debate?
- What does it say about the way that a team operates if you allow players to abdicate responsibility every time that they feel that they're slightly underperforming? How are such players going to deal with more difficult obstacles and challenges, if they can't even perform what should be their duty on the field of play? As a manager, you're supposed to instil confidence in players and encourage them to take responsibility. It's one of the most fundamental things that you're supposed to achieve.
- Fundamentally, shouldn't the manager simply make such decisions, and the players abide by them?
He has to accept some responsibility for the abuse Pogba recieves.
Sadly this is what happens when you clearly have an agenda against a player like he does with Pogba .
He never misses a chance to have a go at him and he always makes it about Pogba's commitment to the club and how he feels Pogba only cares about himself .
He may not mean it in a racial way but surely must know that continued abuse of a player he dislikes leads to other idiots doing the same and worse online
People here keep trying to defend Neville for "doing his job " grow up people this is clearly not about simple analysis on a football match . This has been a prolonged series of attacks on an individual from the Instagram posts he clearly didn't make to last night.
He is starting to make Souness sound fair-minded
Sadly this is what happens when you clearly have an agenda against a player like he does with Pogba .
He never misses a chance to have a go at him and he always makes it about Pogba's commitment to the club and how he feels Pogba only cares about himself .
He may not mean it in a racial way but surely must know that continued abuse of a player he dislikes leads to other idiots doing the same and worse online
People here keep trying to defend Neville for "doing his job " grow up people this is clearly not about simple analysis on a football match . This has been a prolonged series of attacks on an individual from the Instagram posts he clearly didn't make to last night.
He is starting to make Souness sound fair-minded
Nonsense. He has every right to not like Pogba as long as he does not draw in racist arguments.
AFAIK he never did that so you may accuse him of being biaised against Pogba but not of fomenting racism against him.
At this rate we ll end up not criticising anyone because he might have a different cultural, religious etc orientation or is a part of a minority
Gary Neville is prime example of a stupid but opinionated person being given a national platform to express his views. Harmless for the most part but will eventually cause some damage.
Are you stupid?
This isn't because he criticised him, it's because he went WAY over board. He was practically spitting fire he was so wound up and annoyed.
They made almost 30 minutes of talk about it instead of just reviewing the match as normal, it's pathetic.
By all means criticise Pogba if he's doing a trick by the penalty box and losing it, but for taking a penalty and having it saved? give over.
To be fair, I think there could be a slight minor advantage in varying set piece takers - particularly penalties, as the opposition has more homework to do. Over the course of a season these things do add up.
That is not how it works I am afraid. So if Lingard wins a penalty he takes it? Or Mctoominay wins a penalty and he takes it?
There is always designated penalty takes so when a penalty is awarded the man designated knows I am stepping up to take this.
Just a thought regarding Neville for those of you who don’t think he is unfair towards Pogba.
Do you think that he would’ve mentioned anything if Pogba had taken the sort of free kicks that Rashford regularly does? I’m fairly certain he would’ve used it as a stick to beat him with because he has a negative opinion of Pogba and uses whatever he can to further that opinion, even if the Rashford free kicks from 40 yards are way worse than taking a penalty that you’ve won after having an agreement with your teammates that whoever wins it can take it.
Do you think that he would’ve mentioned anything if Pogba had taken the sort of free kicks that Rashford regularly does? I’m fairly certain he would’ve used it as a stick to beat him with because he has a negative opinion of Pogba and uses whatever he can to further that opinion, even if the Rashford free kicks from 40 yards are way worse than taking a penalty that you’ve won after having an agreement with your teammates that whoever wins it can take it.
Are you people that crazy or what, you call whole that segment criticism?! Really!? Criticism would be for him to explain the way and how bad penalty it was or him doing making mistakes in 1st half vs Chelsea (for example) but some parts gave me a vibe like Pogba is committing treason against United and lets be real, Neville is sniping Pogba for some time now, regardless of is there a good reason for it or not.
Everyone in the club disagrees with you but don’t let their interviews stop you. Obviously if de Gea somehow wins a penalty he’s not among those vying for it, and I’m guessing McTominay isn’t either...
Thanks for the complement.
GN has every right to be pathetic - that s why I don't bother watch his antics -but that does not mean he fomenting racism. Being angry at a player for his contribution on pitch has nothing to do with racism
So, then what happens? do you toss a coin?
There’s probably one designated taker for that situation. I’m guessing those who feel really confident and want to take penalties in case they win it are Pogba, Rashford and Martial. If someone else wins it then it’s probably Pogba since he was the designated taker last season.
That's a fair point, but it's something that you decide before the match starts. You don't vary penalty takers on the field of play based on 'how confident they feel'. Players have to be ready to do their job regardless of how they feel.
Made a fool of himself once again, the fecking idiot. Does nothing but add fuel to the fire of the abuse of our best player.
He should have gone into more detail regarding the penalty. He merely glossed over it and didn’t make a big deal out of it.
Especially since he obviously didn't think a fault was committed. He just glossed it over by saying no fault had been committed but if it had been then it would have been horrible and warranted a reaction!
There are two designated penalty takers. Pogba & Rashford, they are free to choose between them who takes the penalties. Its not open to everyone, just those two. Ole said as much after the game in response to Sky's questions on the subject.
I mean, Rashford literally explained the same thing after the Chelsea game, but sure, he's lying.
Why did Rashford take the ball then before Pogba ultimately took the penalty? Surely he should have known automatically that Pogba would be taking the penalty? Or are they going to have a conversation before every penalty during which they try to establish which one of them is more confident?
I hate to break this to you, but footballers and coaches don't always tell the truth in interviews.
And if they are telling the truth then Solskjaer has implemented, or allowed them to implement, an utterly stupid system, as I've explained above.
I don't doubt that's the policy to have 2 penalty takers on the field and to go with whomever is feeling most confident. I just have problems believing that Pogba is still one of them after missing so many. I wouldn't even let Pogba take a penalty in a shootout, never mind being one of the designated penalty takers in a game. He's horrible at them. He shoots it at the height that is easiest for a keeper to save (3-4 feet off the ground). A good penalty taker hits it low and hard (see Milner). Pogba only scores if the keeper guesses wrong. If he guesses right there's a very good chance it's going to be saved. He should never take another penalty again...
As for Neville, these people who are blaming him for the racial abuse are just as idiotic as the people who are making those posts...
Yeah? When was he disrespectful? Show me one thing he said or did after he signed for us that was disrespectful to the club.
Nev is talking bollox. Doesn't make him a racist though. That's just how he is. A pretty dumb ex pro that talks shit most of the time.
So Rashford is not a good Penalty taker? He hits it high and hard into the top corner.
You’re missing the point completely, don’t know what you’re trying to achieve here but Rashford explicitly said after the Chelsea game that there isn’t a designated penalty taker. Given what transpired yesterday, he was obviously telling the truth.
Thread title is a little on the harsh side ?
Yes, it seems obvious that what's actually happened is that Rashford lied last week to preempt the fallout to the future scenario where someone else had a penalty saved.
He criticised him because he thought he took the penalty off Rashford. He even said he could be wrong and maybe Rashford took it off him the week before, that is why he initially criticised Pogba.
After that he was complaining about the situation with the penalties and who takes them, not necessarily about Pogba anymore. It wasn't a "30 minute tirade" against Pogba, it was about the fact that United should have a dedicated penalty taker and that it should be the most consistent scorer of those penalties.
Those of you he believe that he has a racist motive for his criticisism of Pogba (not you Adam), if that was really the case why don't you see him having a go at Rashford, Wan-Bissaka et. al.?
Pogba is a big name player, there is high expectation placed on him and when he under performs he's obviously going to be one of the main talking points. Look around on here. Many people do it here! It's because we know what he is capable of and its frustrating when he doesn't perform to that standard.
Neville even picked him for possible player of the year as he knows what he is capable of.
Yes, as I said, if that is the case then they've implemented a completely stupid policy. And there was absolutely no reason whatsoever for Pogba to take the penalty from Rashford, as he had scored a key penalty in the previous match United had played. Rashford said that there are "four of five" players who are 100% confident in taking a penalty, so is someone else going to take the next one? Will they let Pogba have another go? Revert to Rashford? Have a debate on the pitch?
It's abjectly ridiculous not to designate a clear penalty taker before the match. And Rashford clearly thought that he was going to take it because he had the ball before Pogba decided that he was more confident, and Rashford then handed him the ball.
If people can't see that this is an absurd policy then I'm not sure what they've been watching previously. But it's not exactly normal for clubs to not know who will be taking a particularly penalty, and to decide it on the fly, on the field of play, when it's absolutely critical to the outcome of the match.
In any sort of healthy club culture, Solskjaer would simply say to Pogba, as Ferguson would have done, "you've missed too many, you're not taking one again. I don't care how confident you are, or how much you want to be the centre of attention. Rashford is our penalty taker, and if he's on the field of play then he's taking them".
Indeed, that is what would happen in any normally functioning club. Otherwise, you could, for example, get the scenario that occurred with Chelsea last season, where the keeper refused to be substituted.
I dont think hes overtly racist or even consciously, hence my reference to systemic racism
What about left-footers?
Agreed with Nev, simply Pogba can’t take penalties, not good enough already 4 misses
Mourinho also said he is not good at penalties, and should learn starting from the basis
Mourinho also said he is not good at penalties, and should learn starting from the basis
Regarding Gary, he is always perfect in everything he says, really a top class and true red.