I think he's another David Wheater. Shawcross at Stoke is for me a better player.
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I think he's another David Wheater. Shawcross at Stoke is for me a better player.
I think he's overrated but he's much better than The Chin.
Yeah I meant it as more of a flavour of the month reference. He's deffo better than that yoke!
By NEIL CUSTIS
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MANCHESTER UNITED are monitoring Gary Cahill's on-off move to Chelsea.
Bolton had agreed a £7million fee with the Londoners for the England centre-back.
But the 26-year-old's representatives have failed to agree personal terms at a first meeting.
Chelsea are offering £70,000 a week, while Cahill is seeking £100,000 a week.
Now United could make a move to bolster their injury-hit defence.
Manager Alex Ferguson is minus captain Nemanja Vidic for the season, while Rio Ferdinand has struggled with injury problems.
Chris Smalling and the Da Silva twins have also been sidelined, while Phil Jones has been operating more in midfield of late.
Ferguson has insisted he has the money to spend in this month's transfer window but added he would not enter the market unless the right player became available.
Source: SUN UK
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MANCHESTER UNITED are monitoring Gary Cahill's on-off move to Chelsea.
Bolton had agreed a £7million fee with the Londoners for the England centre-back.
But the 26-year-old's representatives have failed to agree personal terms at a first meeting.
Chelsea are offering £70,000 a week, while Cahill is seeking £100,000 a week.
Now United could make a move to bolster their injury-hit defence.
Manager Alex Ferguson is minus captain Nemanja Vidic for the season, while Rio Ferdinand has struggled with injury problems.
Chris Smalling and the Da Silva twins have also been sidelined, while Phil Jones has been operating more in midfield of late.
Ferguson has insisted he has the money to spend in this month's transfer window but added he would not enter the market unless the right player became available.
Source: SUN UK
Neil Custis ... enough said
Alan Brazil reckons a United player told him weeks ago he his coming to United.
So it's not happening then.
So it's not happening then.
Fair enough.
I'd say Shawcross is more like Wheater though - relies on physicality. Not sure how he'd do in a footballing side.
Cahill looks alright on teh ball. I think he'll do well at a bigger club.
The same fella who reported that Sneijder to us was a done deal?
What is the Caf's general opinion on Cahill? Sign him up to ease our defensive problems or hands off?
If a signing of him means Carrick and Jones will play in midfield and not in defence, then sign him as soon as possible.
Value signing...
I think my head would explode if we bought yet another fecking centre half.
Our season might explode sooner if we don't. I predicted this scenario weeks ago. Rio simply cannot be relied upon anymore, now Vidic is out, Rio is our only experienced CB. If he is out for any length of time, which he will be, then we will have to play Evans and Jones.
Smalling will undoubtedly spend much of his season playing where he has already, filling in for the equally unreliable twins. Cahill would have been a shrewd buy imo. Offering experienced cover and a bit of pace at the back, whilst also allowing Jones to be used in midfield should the need arise.
Yes ideally we need a midfielder, but realistically we are not going to get one in Jan. Cahill would improve our options in midfield as well as at the back, and there is still time to gazump Chelsea.
No action at all from SAF and we will continue to have our effectiveness dictated by the injuries we suffer.
I'd be in favour of signing him.
Brings experience and leadership to the table, something which we lack at the moment.
Brings experience and leadership to the table, something which we lack at the moment.
Our season might explode sooner if we don't. I predicted this scenario weeks ago. Rio simply cannot be relied upon anymore, now Vidic is out, Rio is our only experienced CB. If he is out for any length of time, which he will be, then we will have to play Evans and Jones.
Smalling will undoubtedly spend much of his season playing where he has already, filling in for the equally unreliable twins. Cahill would have been a shrewd buy imo. Offering experienced cover and a bit of pace at the back, whilst also allowing Jones to be used in midfield should the need arise.
Yes ideally we need a midfielder, but realistically we are not going to get one in Jan. Cahill would improve our options in midfield as well as at the back, and there is still time to gazump Chelsea.
No action at all from SAF and we will continue to have our effectiveness dictated by the injuries we suffer.
I'm so glad you were proven right.
Cahill is no better than Evans, or at least not to any real extent. He might be another body but at the price and wages he's not going to be a first team player when everyone's fit.
Even if Ferdinand gets injured: Jones Smalling Evans Evra is a really good back four. Just keep Jones & Carrick away from CB and Valencia away from RB.
The only deal that I could even slightly imagine is maybe a 6 month loan with a large loan fee (£3-4m?) up front and we pay him the £80-90k a week he's probably after (total fee would be no more than £6m for an emergency stop-gap). He gets his big signing on fee in the Summer, we get a stop gap and Bolton get a decent fee.
I certain it won't happen though fortunately.
Well we should worry about that when everybody's fit. Tbf Brophs that same argument has been used to justify not buying a midfielder, people speculating on whether they are better than what we have.
We need an experienced CB to guide the youngsters, Rio cannot be depended on to do that, and does not stay fit for long enough to regain his best form. If anyone thinks we are going to challenge City playing half fit or inexperienced CB's behind a powder puff midfield then i fear they are mistaken.
None would have predicted Cleverley to be good enough to make a difference, but his inclusion coincided with some of the best football we have seen in years. Cahill is a good defender who raised his game for England when many thought it was beyond him, i think a move to Utd would take him to the next level, and provide us with options ans stability we do not have at present.
With no flexibility of one of those gets injured. Ferdinand is coming to the end of his career. We've not been able to rely on him staying fit and in form since 2008/09. He's 33 and there's no way he has any long term future as a part of our defence, he may well end up having a Gary Neville-style bit-part role for us for a couple of years at best.
Vidic has had his own share of injury problems - he'd hardly featured this season before he did his knee in. That is a serious injury that could cause long term problems and we'd be foolish to think he's just going to slot back in next season and be the player he was in 2008/09 for example.
Smalling looks great to me and a natural replacement for Ferdinand, but he seems to have been given the Wes Brown role this season. Jones has been favoured in midfield and his age and experience goes against him for now in terms of his prospects as a centre back (as you mention yourself), but he's no right-back either. That leaves Evans.
I think we should go for Cahill. It seems a good opportunity for both sides. He moves to a better side, we shore up our defense, add a player with experience and at a good age - where if he didn't produce the performances we need we could sell him on with few problems and without risk of making a big loss. Cahill would not have to relocate either.
£4m for Cahill on a 6 month loan? That's crazy.
Wouldn't want him here anyway, Evans and Smalling are both better already.
It's potentially a good back 4, but not yet and where's the cover for them after that Carrick again? Then what happens to midfield? Park and Rafael? No thanks, sigining Cahill makes more sense than being forced down that road again.
Based on what? Cahill is an international with over 200 games at CB in the PL, he is quick and reliable. Smalling has potential as doe sEvans but he hardest thing for young players to achieve is consistency.
Without an experienced head to guide them, they are not yet ready to form a defence at a club like Utd, under such scrutiny and expectation imo.
£7m when he's on a free in the summer and asking for £100K+?
Hope we don't go anywhere near him. I'd rather sign a first choice full back if we've decided that the twins are two short/injury prone so we can have Smalling back in the middle where he is probably our best CB of the bunch right now on current form.
Hope we don't go anywhere near him. I'd rather sign a first choice full back if we've decided that the twins are two short/injury prone so we can have Smalling back in the middle where he is probably our best CB of the bunch right now on current form.
The trouble with signing a cahill is what to do when vida comes back. He's a sure starter which leaves smalling jones and evans fighting for the other CB spot. Thats leaving out Rio because of his age and injury issues. a lot of competition already without a proven player like cahill to take care of.
Smalling can play at rightback or centreback, he'll get games. Jones looks more comfortable in midfield. Evans is a back-up player but has played occassionally on the left and looked okay in an emergency. There are always opportunities.
Based on, you know, their performances...
Anyway, Cahill's been extremely average this year, so let's debunk any myth you have that he's anywhere near one of the best CB's in the league, he's not even close.
Smalling already has consistency, it's probably been the most impressive element of his game since he signed. Bar Basel away I don't remember many mistakes he's made. Where do you think he's played poorly and lacked consistency?
As for Evans, I thought he was our best defender at the start of the season, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool etc he didn't put a foot wrong, he was faultless. He was poor against Norwich but that was more to do with playing alongside Jones who was all over the place. Obviously City was a bit if a disaster but up till the sending off people forget he was having a good game, kept Aguero silent during the whole first half. That game has clouded people perceptions of him in my view, overall he's been excellent and better than Cahill.
Why only take previous good form into consideration for Evans but not for Cahill? Evans has been all over the place for the past 18 months and more, the City match has changed nothing in that respect except some may see it as confirmation he was never any good in the first place (which is obvious rubbish) and used him as a scapegoat. Maybe some extra competition for his place could help him pull his finger out and become the defender we all hopoed he could be given his performances when he first came through for us.
Smalling can play at RB but i'd much rather he partnered vidic at CB as much as possible. among all our young CBs, he looks the best and most assured at the position. No point playing him at RB when jones looks better there. WE already have rafael there too. Regarding evans, i think you underrate him. he has it in him to be a very good CB. signing cahill would mean even less gametime for him.
as i see it, vidic being out for the season does leave us in a dicey position at XB but signing a player there isnt the solution. a loan move would be swell but quality players dont move on loans.
We won't sign him. Cahill's agent probably leaking the United links to extort more money from Chelsea.
And they are more than welcome to have him.
And they are more than welcome to have him.
I don't think Jones looks better at rightback, he doesn't look like arightback at all. I agree about Smalling, I think he's fantastic, I've been impressed with him since he joined. Him and Vidic would be a very good partnership, but it is one that we will not see now until next season and given the nature of Vidic's injury (as well as his age), it is not ridiculous to suggest it is one that might not last. The whole problem is then exacerbated by having nothing but two glass twins to cover right-back and competition for Evra at left-back. Adding Cahill would give us a lot more flexibility, a player of a good age and with experience.
Like you say, a loan would be ideal, but that is not an option.
Having said all this, I do not think we will buy Cahill and are probably not even considering it, which is a shame. If we do not shore up that defence we will not stop City winning the league.
Evans hasn't been bad for the last 18 months at all, that's complete bollocks. Did you read what I wrote about Evans? He's been excellent.
Which games do you think he's played badly this year?
Cahill genuinely has been average for a while though.
I am still of this opinion.
Cahill is a good player and I think he could help us out a fair bit. But on high wages? Not a chance. Next
We read what you wrote, but don't agree with it as it's complete bollocks frankly. He has hardly played for a start. If you recall correctly Evans was plunged in at the deep end at the start of last season, and did very well for a few matches. Then he got an absolute mauling from Zamora and never recovered. He lost all confidence and it took him the best part of a year to get back in the first team.
Is that what you want to see from Smalling or Jones, being played week in week out at the business end of the season, when they are not ready, under massive and increasing scrutiny every time they make an error? Because that is what can happen when you throw young players in too soon. Young players need guidance from someone with experience.
Fergie himself has always been a big advocate of protecting young players, not rushing them until they are ready. He has done it with Giggs and many, many others over the years. Was he wrong all those times? It was the right approach then and still would be now imo.
if Manchester United are looking o sign Gary Cahill from Bolton Wanders for experience and leadership then we are in bigger trouble than i ever realised. He'd be one of the most inexperienced players at the club
My point was about jones looking a better RB than smalling. Dont you think so? He's very good at making powerful forward runs which suits him playing at RB more so considering his tendency to make mistakes defensively which dont leave him as exposed as it would at CB.
The twins and their injury concerns are a problem but if we lose hope on them, it'd make more sense to buy a fullback rather than another CB. fwiw, evra does need competition for his LB slot. Competition or call it some cover to give him rest.
I've already said that the defence does look a tad shaky now but vidic will be back next season. which pretty much rules out buying an established CB as far as am concerned. With the wages thats being branded about regarding cahill, am glad we're not interested tbh.
What we need(long term) is a CM to partner carrick. a quality player who'd slot straight in. No young kid with potential thing fond as i am of the club's policy in this regard.
Chelsea just tell him to do one and get Sakho or something.
Does anyone sign for low wages nowadays Ekeke. This is the problem we are having signing anybody. The pool of players who will sign for low wages is decreasing by the season, along with chairman who will let their star or potential star players go on the cheap.
The days of a Ronaldo type deal are gone im afraid. Anyone rated that highly nowadays is going to cost a huge fee and huge wages. There is no getting away from that im afraid.
Good player but not what we need. If we are going to get a defender it will be a short term loan like the Larsson deal. Midfield is the obvious place we need proper reinforcements.
A 26 year old England International with over a 150 Premier League games under his belt be inexperienced?
I think you should look at the average age of the United defence
Not in defence he wouldn't. Smalling, Jones, Evans. More experienced than Cahill? I don't think so Ben.
I never said bad, I said all over the place: ie a good game here and there, generally alright some of the time but interspersed by terrible performances. Inconsistant more than "Excellent", which frankly I believe most people would disagree with.
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