Sign him up. You always build the team on the basis of a strong defence. Rio is not getting younger and who knows how Vida will recover from his injury. 26 is the perfect age for him to be the bridge between young and old.
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Low and high wages arent the only options. He's a good player so he should sign for good wages. £120k is far beyond that
That would be monumentally stupid. Pay that rather than £7m and have a sellable asset.
What the hell are you on about? Evans has hardly played, are you taking the piss? He's played 13 times this year, Evra is the only defender that's played more. So you're talking bollocks... Again.
Why do you keep bringing up games he played last season, have you not watched United this year? He's played very well, against Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal he was our best defender easily. When do you think Evans has played badly besides City?
Not sure what relevance Evans has on Smalling and Jones, I'm sure you have a point in there somewhere though, although no doubt it's wrong. As for not wanting Smalling and Jones to play every week, I think you need to watch more games, Jones and Smalling already play most weeks, Jones has played the same amount as Rooney, and Smalling would have too if not for the injury.
Do you really think he is going to get £120k a week from anybody Ekeke? He will sign a deal for much less than that. If that is what he is telling Chelsea i would suggest he does not really want to go there and is hoping a Northern club comes in for him so he does not have to uproot.
Mind you if Rio and Terry are worth that much in their current states, then you can see his point. They are getting paid for how good they used to be not how good they are now.
For me Cahill would be of more use to us now than Rio. Rio looks finished to me, too slow and too injury prone to stay fit enough to achieve proper sharpness. Shame really but there you go.
He'd be a good signing as a Rio replacement, but is Rio done? I dont think he's retired yet. Perhaps with Vidic out theres the space there for Cahill, but then come the summer and Vidic is back. Do you want us to push Ferdinand out the door or something?
Knee jerk and everything else aside, we have 2 extremely promising young CBs in Smalling and Jones. And while I like Cahill I dont think theres much if anything between him and Smalling as a CB. I dont like seeing Smalling playing as a RB every week though
Knee jerk and everything else aside, we have 2 extremely promising young CBs in Smalling and Jones. And while I like Cahill I dont think theres much if anything between him and Smalling as a CB. I dont like seeing Smalling playing as a RB every week though
Sign him up and make Jones into a midfielder. At the minute he's a better footballer than he is a defender, and from there he can make his galloping runs forward without leaving holes at the back.
I reckon Jones could be an awesome central midfielder, possibly the midfielder so many think/thought Rodwell could become.
I reckon Jones could be an awesome central midfielder, possibly the midfielder so many think/thought Rodwell could become.
There is absolutely not a hope in hell that we are signing Gary Cahill. This forum can really get under your skin sometimes!
Of course there is still flexibility. We'd still have Rafael & Fabio, unless of course you mean if Rafael, Fabio, Ferdinand, Vidic & A.N. Other were injured what would we do. But legislating for that kind of injury list would mean we'd have to have a 50 man squad.
Having 4 players who can operate at RB, 3 who can operate at LB and 5 who can play in the centre is about as covered as you can get.
The problem is would he really be a sale-able asset? Once everyone is fit he won't be playing regularly at all and will be on very high wages. After this season he would essentially be costing us £4-5m per year and not really doing much, I can't see people jumping at the chance to purchase him for any real fee. the only reason people are interested at the moment is because he's available on the cheap, no-one would be in for him for > £8-10m.
Better than Evans. With Rio nearing the end and Vidic out, I think he would be a good signing for £7mil.
The club may want to get Rio and his £100k+ salary off the wage bill.
He's not the player he was. He looks almost sheepish when he's playing these days. Looks to have lost his confidence a little.
If the rumours of Cahill's wage demands are true then there's no saving to be made there.
Goes without saying that Rio's a vastly superior player.
Goes without saying that Rio's a vastly superior player.
Wow - just read that Cahill is asking for £120k a week plus a £4mil signing on fee.
So that would be about £35mil over 4 years.
So that would be about £35mil over 4 years.
I want Cahill.
Like said we need another CB.
Like said we need another CB.
Are you for real? I never said he hardly played this year, i said he hardly played over the last 18 months.
I am bringing up last year to show how throwing him in too soon affected him for the next 12 months. What do you mean besides City? It is the same as i have said all along, if you play young players every week, then they feck up when the pressure builds, because they do not have the know how to deal with it. It's not hard to fathom. He fecked up big time against City in the biggest game of the season, and it cost us the biggest fecking pasting we have ever had at OT! Do you get it yet? What did Fergie say about it? It was due to a lack of experience. So there you go.
Let me spell it out for you, Evans was thrown in last year too soon, and it knocked him back 12 months before he got another proper run in the team this season. That is the relevance.
I am not knocking him at all or saying he has had poor games. I just do not see how we can expect to challenge for anything with 3 CB's with less than 50 games between them.
Jones and Smalling have not played as a pair though, how many games have they played as a CB partnership. 1? 2 at most. Hardly an encouraging basis for a serious title challenge. This is my point, you need more experience than they have. Evans has been around for a while, but Cahill has more PL experience than all 3 of those CB's put together, and that is what you need for an effective and stable CB pairing imo.
Do you do anything other than posts walls of text about how Fergie absolutely, definitely needs to sign almost half a dozen new players to make us even vaguely competitive?
I agree at his best. The coveting of Cahill was because he was going to be a bargain. If he is going to cost as much as a midfielder would, we may as well just sign the midfielder we would most benefit from.
feck off will ya
In my opinion.
I dont usually respond like that but honestly mate if Evans played for bolton he would standout far more than Cahill ever has.
You are the biggest exaggerator on this forum Pogue. Find me one post which shouldn't be too difficult, considering their scale where i have ever mentioned that we need half a dozen players.
You only ever hear me say we need to make signings for midfield, which is hardly radical. Even originally in this thread, Cahill was supposed to bea bargain whihc would ahve enabled us to keep Jones in midfield, that was all.
So slag me if you wish, but don't exaggerate wildly to make out i am doing things i am not.
That's what people said about John O'Shea.
Playing with players like Vidic help's Evans. If he was playing for Bolton with Zac Knight, I cant see Evans standing out.
Let's not write him off based on half an injury-afflicted season. Worth noting that Wes Brown seems to have been immense for them.
Also worth bearing in mind that people said the same about Phil Neville (who got dog's abuse on here). Lo and behold, he swiftly become Everton's club captain and one of their most important players.
"Seems to have been". My mate who is a Mackem has not been impressed. Though under O'Neill, he may be far better.
Martin O'Neill does have a knack of getting the most out of shit players.
Huh? You think Brown is a "shit player"?
Oh dear.
You're not a very good at judge of defenders, are you? Probably should have just ignored your thoughts on Cahill.
Those wage demands are just a sign of things to come when players from smaller clubs are wanted by the bigger fish. Unbelievable for him to think he's worthy of such after achieving pretty much nothing and looking pretty ordinary for Bolton all season. I hope Chelsea don't sign him.
WUM.
That's a teeny cod right there. Bless him.
How do our resident chelsea fans feel about him?
Both really seeing as you mention it!
The 'problem' that we may have with Rio is how long it takes him to start playing well when he comes back from injury. In previous seasons he's always slotted straight back in almost like he was never gone. It's what has allowed him to remain a part of our undisputed first choice defence when he's fit.
"What's that? Rio's been out for 6 weeks and our next game is against Chelsea? No problem, he'll go straight in and probably be MOM."
Is he still capable of doing that though? When he came back from his last injury it took him three or four games to really get back to his normal level. And now he's had a fairly average match on his return this time. Now, once he gets going he's still a truly brilliant defender, but if this is going to be a recurring theme where he takes a handful of games to get going again, it's going to be a problem. Especially with Vida out for the season.
Hopefully I'm reading too much into it and he'll turn around and be brilliant against City on Sunday.
"What's that? Rio's been out for 6 weeks and our next game is against Chelsea? No problem, he'll go straight in and probably be MOM."
Is he still capable of doing that though? When he came back from his last injury it took him three or four games to really get back to his normal level. And now he's had a fairly average match on his return this time. Now, once he gets going he's still a truly brilliant defender, but if this is going to be a recurring theme where he takes a handful of games to get going again, it's going to be a problem. Especially with Vida out for the season.
Hopefully I'm reading too much into it and he'll turn around and be brilliant against City on Sunday.
Yes
I've heard the holdup is about the length of the contract and various clauses rather than the actual per week amount.
Yep i've heard too that Cahill isn't demanding a significant amount of money.........it's more about promises (His chances for a place in the starting XI) and some clauses in the contract.
But like said the stories aren't true about Cahill's salary but if you can pay 13m to sign a manager than you can give 100k per week to a player like Cahill
Anyway Cahill would be a perfect signing for Chelsea or respectively for AVB (His high line).
But like said the stories aren't true about Cahill's salary but if you can pay 13m to sign a manager than you can give 100k per week to a player like Cahill
Anyway Cahill would be a perfect signing for Chelsea or respectively for AVB (His high line).
Vidic is out for a year and to be honest with that injury I dont suspect he'll be the same player. Rio has lost a yard or two of pace and it shows.
With VDS gone, Vidic out and Rion continuing his slow descent feels like the end of an era but with Smalling, DDG and Jones I am confident that between them 3 we have a future strong spine.
With VDS gone, Vidic out and Rion continuing his slow descent feels like the end of an era but with Smalling, DDG and Jones I am confident that between them 3 we have a future strong spine.
I wouldn't be surprised if Vidic leaves in a year or so.
His wife will be in his ear while he is out injured.
His wife will be in his ear while he is out injured.
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He'll be 31 this year, by the time he's back properly he'll probably be 31 and a half, so he won't have that much left at this level. Injury has come at a very inconvenient time as it takes away a year of not that much remaining in his career.
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