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It's unbelievable that the decision to stay or leave as England manager is still down to him to decide. The England FA don't any better candidate, really?
No chance, we played better quality teams then and didn’t have the easy draws. We would have been knocked out the same.
Those games happened in the last 2 weeks, and it's easy to remember because nothing much happened across them...You must have a pretty remarkable memory to be able to remember every exact chance England created in each game.
You, and "most observers", either have shit memory or you don't understand what you were seeingMy impression and the impression of most other observers, though (and not just from this tournament) is that Southgate's plan is to attack when behind and defend when ahead.
It's very clearly not the tactic. It's very clearly down to England being mediocre, and thus not doing anything well. Netherlands game aside, when they went behind immediately, in the other games england only started to look more threatening late on because of the combination of desperately throwing attacking players on the pitch plus rivals dropping back to protect the lead. And they were never particularly threatening either, because, again, they were mediocreIt's very clearly the tactic, and it's very clear that England look much more threatening when behind. In the last 4 games the opponent scored first and then we kicked into gear and scored ourselves.
I literally said this. What you fail to understand is "play better" doesn't mean play like Spain. Play better, for this team, most likely takes the form of how they played in QatarThese players should play a lot better, and the reason they don't is clear to see.
I hope they’re just making it seem this way out of respect to him. England will never win anything with himIt's unbelievable that the decision to stay or leave as England manager is still down to him to decide. The England FA don't any better candidate, really?
Southgate never won anything as a player or manager. Spain's manager has won tournaments at lower age levels with Spain (including with some of his current squad). He also knows how to with as a player with Athletic Club.I hope they’re just making it seem this way out of respect to him. England will never win anything with him
It's unbelievable that the decision to stay or leave as England manager is still down to him to decide. The England FA don't any better candidate, really?
Brazil in 2002 I don't really see how that one would have panned out differently but the two Portugal quarters in 2004 and 2006, I think with a bit of discipline and tactical nous we see from Southgate's England the results easily could have gone the other way.
Southgate never won anything as a player or manager. Spain's manager has won tournaments at lower age levels with Spain (including with some of his current squad). He also knows how to with as a player with Athletic Club.
It's unbelievable that the decision to stay or leave as England manager is still down to him to decide. The England FA don't any better candidate, really?
All of England’s players play out from the back for their clubs. Pickford launching it from the first whistle today was quite embarrassing, as there was no need to do it constantly. Would it be nice if Rice was at the level of Rodri, sure, but I don’t think that’s the cause of the disparity between the sides on the ball.England still don't produce enough quality deep lying midfielders who are press resistant, able to pass under pressure and dictate games from deep. Today all England had was Mainoo. Spain had Rodri, Fabian Ruiz, Merino, Zubimendi to call on today. Without even mentioning the injured Pedri.
All of England’s players play out from the back for their clubs. Pickford launching it from the first whistle today was quite embarrassing, as there was no need to do it constantly. Would it be nice if Rice was at the level of Rodri, sure, but I don’t think that’s the cause of the disparity between the sides on the ball.
All of England’s players play out from the back for their clubs. Pickford launching it from the first whistle today was quite embarrassing, as there was no need to do it constantly. Would it be nice if Rice was at the level of Rodri, sure, but I don’t think that’s the cause of the disparity between the sides on the ball.
Lee Carsley won the European U-21 Championship with the U-21's surely that trumps the Toulon Tournament.He won a league cup with Middlesbrough and the Toulon tournament with the England U21s.
Lee Carsley won the European U-21 Championship with the U-21's surely that trumps the Toulon Tournament.
Its fact not "PR". France suffered the SELF sane issues all tournament long. The issue I always have with fans of your ilk is you conflate internstional ball with club ball. Yet it hinges heavily on the personnel you have available. On top of the fact you consistently pretend your national team is packed with the best footballers known to man in all departments thus EVERY coach is automatically "rubbish" for not playing City football consistently with them. I fully expect the point to go over your head and you to reply with the joke narrative of "defending Gareth"You'd be a good PR man for Gareth, so he can't play decent football because of deep lying playmakers,...
I don't matter how often you repeat this joke mantra in a mirror. It doesn't matter and will NEVER work that way. But because as per usual y'all pretend every nation you face is "rubbish in all departments and all their styles of plan.England have the players to be playing better than this against Serbia, Slovakia and Switzerland. And Iceland. That is the bottom line......
You are right. Just think we could do better, but they will likely go for an out of touch manager or another yes man. Think Gareth has done a lot of good for England but we need someone to just take us that bit further.I was just pointing out that he did win things as a player/manager since you said he hadn't.
Or just make him England media manager or something random. He’s clearly liked by the high ups there, he’s just got no real credentials as a coach to make anyone think he can win a major trophy.It pains me when I hear this tripe about him being our best manager since Sir Alf Ramsey. Sadly, because England have had a consistent run of deep tournament runs, that will always be the case. It won't matter about the negative dross, the lack of adaptability and the failures when there really shouldn't have been failures. The reality is, he's brought a great togetherness the squad and the culture around the squad appears to be a lot more harmonious than it has been in decades. But the monumental failure against a poor Italy at Wembley for me is the biggest failure of any England manager. That tournament and that final was on a plate for him and he failed.
Losing to Spain yesterday was to be expected imo, however his tactics yet again were appalling. You cannot invite Spain on for 80 of the 90 minutes with that defence and expect to win. We have some of the best footballers in world football if you believe the media, yet at no point in this tournament did Southgate know how to properly utilise them.
He'd be a great assistant manager in the PL imo in bringing together a group of players and creating a good atmosphere however tactically he simply isn't up to it. Time for change before this group is wasted.
You are right. Just think we could do better, but they will likely go for an out of touch manager or another yes man. Think Gareth has done a lot of good for England but we need someone to just take us that bit further.
It most certainly is. In they are consistently protected by a deep familiarity with a system they pay in week in week out that doesn't heavily rely on their imdovidu quality. Plus deep familiarity with the teammates of the given system. In international ball their individual qualities will always over ride what they can do at club level. Collectively that matters vs other collectives.All of England’s players play out from the back for their clubs. Pickford launching it from the first whistle today was quite embarrassing, as there was no need to do it constantly. Would it be nice if Rice was at the level of Rodri, sure, but I don’t think that’s the cause of the disparity between the sides on the ball.
They‘re weak as pissIt's unbelievable that the decision to stay or leave as England manager is still down to him to decide. The England FA don't any better candidate, really?
So swap Rice and Rodri and England play like Spain? That’s the point I was making. It’s clear that the Spanish have a defined style on the ball, that most of their club sides adopt also. I think the English players are technically good enough to play that way, but a few are maybe adapting a bit later in their career, rather than the Spanish who have always played that way from a young age.It most certainly is. In they are consistently protected by a deep familiarity with a system they pay in week in week out that doesn't heavily rely on their imdovidu quality. Plus deep familiarity with the teammates of the given system. In international ball their individual qualities will always over ride what they can do at club level. Collectively that matters vs other collectives.
I wasn’t digging out Pickford specifically as it was clearly an instruction from the manager. He’s the most obvious one as the move starts with him, especially from goal kicks.Every player was launching it. There was no tactic to beat the press aside from that from Southgate as the defence would either launch it or give it to Pickford to launch it whenever he played it short to them.
I wasn’t digging out Pickford specifically as it was clearly an instruction from the manager. He’s the most obvious one as the move starts with him, especially from goal kicks.
The funnny thing is England are consistently producing good young players now that Southgate can feasibly do what he does for the next 8-10 years. Only Kane, Maguire and Walker will be finished after the next WC, and there are replacements for all of them.He’s chasing 96’ redemption so hard and desperate to be a national hero, I don’t think he understand just how much of a national villain he will become if he overstays his welcome and wastes this entire generation.
Bang on. He’s fecked England tbhHe definitely subs on Rashford or Grealish today if he’d called them up, but he picked Gordon and Bowen and didn’t think either would do anything when it mattered
THIS!It’s crazy really, for example at 1-1 I actually think his mistake was to not bring on an extra midfielder as England were too open while most people think that his mistake was sitting back.
Spot onYeah, that's one of the points I was making
Stop thinking in terms of attack or defence. That wasn't the issue. England were a very well coached side, with a clear identity, structure, understanding of their strenghts and weaknesses, and an effective playing style through 3 tournaments under Southgate. This was different. He came into this tournament having no clue whatsoever about his team. The things he'd been working on for the past 18 months, what he'd been coaching his team to do over that span, was exposed and taken apart in the March friendlies. He got to the Euros having no plan beyond presumably giving himself flexibility in terms of options, and just rely on the star players to carry the day basically. Worse, he compounded that by ultimately not really making use of those options, instead insisting on the same 4 guys despite clear indications that it wasn't going to work
This was a terrible managerial job, but it went well beyond wrong tactics or playing style
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They probably don't. Who would want the job? Very few top level managers are interested in international management.It's unbelievable that the decision to stay or leave as England manager is still down to him to decide. The England FA don't any better candidate, really?