Gareth Bale

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Only on his and your dreams, After Ronaldo and Messi we have Neymar and Hazard with more probabilities to win the Ballon D'or, for me Bale is not even in the first 10 best players in the world.

It's all about opinions of course, but i doubt anyone that watches football would agree with you on that one Barros.

Not only has Bale been excellent for about 3-4 years now, he's carried that Wales team into a brilliant position to qualify for the Euro's next Summer & into the top 10 of the FIFA rankings - although much of the time that's just a pure bollox ratin system, but it gets you a better placing for qualifier draws etc.
 
How on Earth is Bale better than Neymar? Bale has had one excellent season which earned him his dream move to Madrid. Since then he has been decent and nothing more. Neymar was tearing up the Brazilian league which got him his move to Barca and he has had a couple of excellent seasons since then.

So in which alternate universe is Bale better than Neymar?

Because bale tore up the PL. He then went on to assisting in winning the champions league in his 1st year at madrid playing in a completely under-trained position. Admittedly; last season wasn't his best, but just because neymar won the CL last year doesnt make him an automatically better player than Bale & not just yet.

Neymar will eventually beat all sort of records tbh, but lets not rush to the finish line before he does..
 
Because bale tore up the PL. He then went on to assisting in winning the champions league in his 1st year at madrid playing in a completely under-trained position. Admittedly; last season wasn't his best, but just because neymar won the CL last year doesnt make him an automatically better player than Bale & not just yet.

Neymar will eventually beat all sort of records tbh, but lets not rush to the finish line before he does..
I already said Bale had a fantastic season which gave him his move to Madrid. He then has had to okish seasons. He was as much decisive in Madrid winning the CL as any other member in that team, so I don't get why you put him down as "assisting" Madrid in winning the la decima. He was average in the final, taking potshots from distance. It was Ramos who scored the equalizer in the dying minutes of the game. Extra time killed Atletico off after the kind of season they had.

On the other hand, Neymar has been instrumental in Barca's dominance this season and has been the better player between the two in La Liga. He is already better than Bale.
 
I already said Bale had a fantastic season which gave him his move to Madrid. He then has had to okish seasons. He was as much decisive in Madrid winning the CL as any other member in that team, so I don't get why you put him down as "assisting" Madrid in winning the la decima. He was average in the final, taking potshots from distance. It was Ramos who scored the equalizer in the dying minutes of the game. Extra time killed Atletico off after the kind of season they had.

On the other hand, Neymar has been instrumental in Barca's dominance this season and has been the better player between the two in La Liga. He is already better than Bale.
Its not a clear cut as you make out, Bale on top form is unbelievable and unplayable but we may never see that top form until he steps out of the circus that is Madrid and joins a club that makes use of his full abilities.
 
It's all about opinions of course, but i doubt anyone that watches football would agree with you on that one Barros.

Not only has Bale been excellent for about 3-4 years now, he's carried that Wales team into a brilliant position to qualify for the Euro's next Summer & into the top 10 of the FIFA rankings - although much of the time that's just a pure bollox ratin system, but it gets you a better placing for qualifier draws etc.

He's not even close to top 10.
 
Its not a clear cut as you make out, Bale on top form is unbelievable and unplayable but we may never see that top form until he steps out of the circus that is Madrid and joins a club that makes use of his full abilities.

This isn't really true. He's been easily contained regularly at Real Madrid.

How are they misusing him? He never gets dropped for his piss poor performances, he gets freedom to roam, he doesn't have to do defensive work, he has great players controlling the midfield. What more can do they? If Bale wants to hide there's nothing they can do.
 
Because bale tore up the PL. He then went on to assisting in winning the champions league in his 1st year at madrid playing in a completely under-trained position. Admittedly; last season wasn't his best, but just because neymar won the CL last year doesnt make him an automatically better player than Bale & not just yet.

Neymar will eventually beat all sort of records tbh, but lets not rush to the finish line before he does..

No ones rushing to any finishing line. He's clearly a better footballer than bale. He scores more, he's better with the ball at feet. I doubt his "finishing line" is being better than Gareth Bale.
 
This isn't really true. He's been easily contained regularly at Real Madrid.

How are they misusing him? He never gets dropped for his piss poor performances, he gets freedom to roam, he doesn't have to do defensive work, he has great players controlling the midfield. What more can do they? If Bale wants to hide there's nothing they can do.
You say that Bale gets freedom yet when you watch that's not what you see. I see a player that should be a star of a side but is left in the shadow of Ronaldo. For example, even something small like free kicks where bale is miles better than Ronaldo and yet because of Ronaldos ego he still takes them all. Ronaldo is also the player that is granted the most freedom in that front line and effectively plays like a second striker. I agree Bale is allowed to do little defensive work but I still wouldn't call that a free role. To get a real example of what I mean you just need to watch him for Wales because every time he sets foot in that red shirt he plays like he's a world beater and to me that shows the problems lie in Madrid not with the player.
 
Not twice as good as Sterling IMO. Intact, he should command a similar fee as they're equal in my eyes.
 
You say that Bale gets freedom yet when you watch that's not what you see. I see a player that should be a star of a side but is left in the shadow of Ronaldo. For example, even something small like free kicks where bale is miles better than Ronaldo and yet because of Ronaldos ego he still takes them all. Ronaldo is also the player that is granted the most freedom in that front line and effectively plays like a second striker. I agree Bale is allowed to do little defensive work but I still wouldn't call that a free role. To get a real example of what I mean you just need to watch him for Wales because every time he sets foot in that red shirt he plays like he's a world beater and to me that shows the problems lie in Madrid not with the player.

That's because he's a bit of a pansy really. You never see Bale go looking for the ball at Real Madrid - he's happy to be on the periphery of the game and pretty much always has the least touches of any outfield player in the team.

Don't think he's cut out mentally for a club as big as Madrid. Agree about free kicks though, he's their best taker and should be first choice.
 
Hasn't someone recently said that Moyes wanted him desperately and that he only wanted to go to Real? I can't see why he would change his mind now
 
Bale should have been left in the bench.Wales is not Madrid.He doesn't speak spanish,he abandoned his lessons and he never goes to the team meals that captains use to organize.His team mates are upset since he is spoilt for the president,some of them even think that Jesé is better. Cristiano has been 6 years in the club and has won 3 balloon d'or,of course he has priviledges. Do you see Isco/James/Kroos agents go to the press to cry because they are not playing in the right position?.The top players shine whatever they play,I remember Zidane playing on the left,on the right,going down to get the ball..and was always brilliant. He doesn't defend because he thinks that is already a super star and he is not even in Fifa team of the year.the 100m€ fee is guilty of that
 
It's all about opinions of course, but i doubt anyone that watches football would agree with you on that one Barros.

Not only has Bale been excellent for about 3-4 years now, he's carried that Wales team into a brilliant position to qualify for the Euro's next Summer & into the top 10 of the FIFA rankings - although much of the time that's just a pure bollox ratin system, but it gets you a better placing for qualifier draws etc.
Actually its probably the opposite. Anyone who watches bale for his club side regularly wouldn't include him in their top 10's, but those who only watch him for Wales but rarely for Madrid, only looking at stats and just remembering him at spurs would put him in. He has a huge reputation, but in reality, he hasn't been one of the top 10 players ever, apart from during the 12/13 season with spurs.
 
Its not a clear cut as you make out, Bale on top form is unbelievable and unplayable but we may never see that top form until he steps out of the circus that is Madrid and joins a club that makes use of his full abilities.
Bale in top form has been seen for one season so far, before he moved to Madrid. If that is what you are basing on, then even then he was not unplayable. He has a terrific shot and exceptional pace. But he is not the best dribbler or someone who will split open a defense with a single pass. He is a very good player but people go overboard in his praise based on one very good season for Spurs 2 years back.
 
Bale should have been left in the bench.Wales is not Madrid.He doesn't speak spanish,he abandoned his lessons and he never goes to the team meals that captains use to organize.His team mates are upset since he is spoilt for the president,some of them even think that Jesé is better. Cristiano has been 6 years in the club and has won 3 balloon d'or,of course he has priviledges. Do you see Isco/James/Kroos agents go to the press to cry because they are not playing in the right position?.The top players shine whatever they play,I remember Zidane playing on the left,on the right,going down to get the ball..and was always brilliant. He doesn't defend because he thinks that is already a super star and he is not even in Fifa team of the year.the 100m€ fee is guilty of that
Nail on head. He needs a free role to be at his best. Impossible to give him that role in a team which has Ronaldo. And he is a good winger but not so special that he would command that sort of fee.
 
Hasn't someone recently said that Moyes wanted him desperately and that he only wanted to go to Real? I can't see why he would change his mind now
fecking Moyes put all his eggs in one basket that summer, we had no second choice when Bale decided he wanted to go to Madrid, which was always going to happen. Moyes would have been better prepared for the job if he'd played Football Manager for a season and managed United. At least have some* experience with a big club then.
 
He had so many match deciding goals for Tottenham in his last season there, if we could get him next year our whole team would move a level up, unrealistic this year with Perez determined to make him the star of the team.
 
Hasn't someone recently said that Moyes wanted him desperately and that he only wanted to go to Real? I can't see why he would change his mind now
Because he's sick and tired of the warm weather.
 
Nail on head. He needs a free role to be at his best. Impossible to give him that role in a team which has Ronaldo. And he is a good winger but not so special that he would command that sort of fee.
This year he will get what he wants,play behind the striker and sometimes on the left so we will see if he has the conditions,if not I would sell him
 
Bale continues to boast great pace, especially considering his size, and a thunderous left leg - most would agree this has not only been true for several seasons but not much has changed/improved in his overall game. Will he? Remains to be seen but in the most technical league in the world he's failed to make the improvements or make the impact some believed.

Neymar on the other hand has kept mproving from the first minute he arrived in Europe. Not only is he a more gifted and influential player but he is almost certainly going to become even better. It's only myopia that would lead anyone to compare the two & conclude anything other than the Brasilian being the more talented
 
Bale should have been left in the bench.Wales is not Madrid.He doesn't speak spanish,he abandoned his lessons and he never goes to the team meals that captains use to organize.His team mates are upset since he is spoilt for the president,some of them even think that Jesé is better. Cristiano has been 6 years in the club and has won 3 balloon d'or,of course he has priviledges. Do you see Isco/James/Kroos agents go to the press to cry because they are not playing in the right position?.The top players shine whatever they play,I remember Zidane playing on the left,on the right,going down to get the ball..and was always brilliant. He doesn't defend because he thinks that is already a super star and he is not even in Fifa team of the year.the 100m€ fee is guilty of that
I love how United fans simply ignore how Madrid fans feel about bale. I rate him as a quality player. But his lacklustre time at Madrid does put up questions marks. No matter how much people overhype his season with Spurs, top players have to keep proving themselves over and over again. And In that sense, I think it's important for bale to stay at Madrid and win the fans over through performances. There's simply no reason for him to do badly in such a magnificent attaining team.
 
Bale in top form has been seen for one season so far, before he moved to Madrid. If that is what you are basing on, then even then he was not unplayable. He has a terrific shot and exceptional pace. But he is not the best dribbler or someone who will split open a defense with a single pass. He is a very good player but people go overboard in his praise based on one very good season for Spurs 2 years back.
Seriously. It's incredible how overboard people go when talking about Bale. He was world class in 12/13, nobody is denying that, but even then you could argue Suarez, Van Persie and Mata were at a similar level, the difference being RvP and Mata actually achieved their goals for that season instead of finishing 5th and winning nothing. Other then that, what has Bale done? He was simply a very good winger the year before that, and before that he was an inconsistent youngster at best. Since his move to Madrid, he had a good first year (but many Madrid fans were still disappointed with his performances even if the goals masked them), and then a poor second year.

To get the best out of him, you need to build your team around him completely, but even then, he'll get you like 25 goals so it's not exactly someone who is worth building your team around, when others can do that by simply slotting into the side.
 
Actually its probably the opposite. Anyone who watches bale for his club side regularly wouldn't include him in their top 10's, but those who only watch him for Wales but rarely for Madrid, only looking at stats and just remembering him at spurs would put him in. He has a huge reputation, but in reality, he hasn't been one of the top 10 players ever, apart from during the 12/13 season with spurs.

I've been watching him quite regularly I think and maybe you could argue that he isn't top 5 but he definitely is top 10 right now. I think this forum really underrates Bale because of his price tag.
 
I've been watching him quite regularly I think and maybe you could argue that he isn't top 5 but he definitely is top 10 right now. I think this forum really underrates Bale because of his price tag.
There is no way you could say he is top 10 right now if you watched him regularly last season. Just no way. Ignore his 5 games a year for Wales, we're just talking about club performances. Also ignore what he did 2-3 years ago. He's just nowhere close. Like Spoony said, he's only ever had one great season, the rest have been very good, or good, or shite like his last season.
 
There is no way you could say he is top 10 right now if you watched him regularly last season. Just no way. Ignore his 5 games a year for Wales, we're just talking about club performances. Also ignore what he did 2-3 years ago. He's just nowhere close. Like Spoony said, he's only ever had one great season, the rest have been very good, or good, or shite like his last season.

You can't just ignore things like that.

Why will Ignore what he's done 2-3 years ago? It's seasons like those which show his quality. Also, even if the games for Wales are few, it's the mark of a top player being able to perform well on their international team. The talk of him having just one great season is silly as well. I would ask you to name 10 players better than him but I know that's tiring and I probably wouldn't agree with it either way.
 
Neymar 33 goals, 15 assists last 2 seasons.

Bale 35 goals, 22 assists in same time frame.

Let's not pretend Neymar is on another level because he's just had the best season of his career when bale has had a very difficult season being booed by his own fans.

Edit stats are as of March. Was just reading an article. But still goes to show we should not get carried away
 
Neymar 33 goals, 15 assists last 2 seasons.

Bale 35 goals, 22 assists in same time frame.

Let's not pretend Neymar is on another level because he's just had the best season of his career when bale has had a very difficult season being booed by his own fans.
Those stats look made up. Or they are selective to prove your point.

And the last bit doesn't put things in perspective, it ruins Bale's case that he's not rated by his own fans.
 
You can't just ignore things like that.

Why will Ignore what he's done 2-3 years ago? It's seasons like those which show his quality. Also, even if the games for Wales are few, it's the mark of a top player being able to perform well on their international team. The talk of him having just one great season is silly as well. I would ask you to name 10 players better than him but I know that's tiring and I probably wouldn't agree with it either way.
Why? Because it happened 1 season in a completely different league to the one he is now, in a team built around him, 2/3 years ago? Pretty obvious I thought. So because he had one world class season in his life, that is his level for the rest of his career? As for international teams... It's really not, Miroslav Klose and Lukas Podolski regularly looked like some of the best players in the world during world cups and euros when we all know they were anything but that.

As for 10 (attacking) players better...
Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez, James, Modric, Robben, Muller, Ibrahimovic, Aguero, Silva, Sanchez, Hazard, De Bruyne, Pogba, Vidal, Tevez, Fabregas, Diego Costa, Lewandowski, etc...
Players like Reus, Lacazette, Di Maria and Griezmann, who play the same position, have had seasons as good as Bale's best, more recently then Bale has as well. Some of those players are at the same level of Bale, but have just been better then Bale has over the last 2 seasons, and it's not really that arguable. Bale, if he moves to another club, could maybe get to his Spurs level consistently. But it's all guesswork. He's definitely nowhere close to that for Madrid, so you can't say he's one of the top 10 players in the world because he had 1 season in his career where he was in that group.
 
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