well thats what I read on here, I think maybe they just meant the last season or 2?
Gareth Bale
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38 goals in 72 league games is really very good and 4 assists considering he is the goal scorer is pretty respectable. He would certainly improve our team.
Well......we need Bale to have an absolute stinker this weekend, and the goalkeeper to be a total twat with at least two goals. Then maybe out of desperation Real will let Bale come to us in a De Gea swap deal.
It's a long shot, but.............would like to see it happen.
It's a long shot, but.............would like to see it happen.
hasnt he been having stinkers for over a year now?. It isnt happening as long as Perez is bumming him.
They are the last 2 seasons.
I'm not doubting Griezmann's good and would improve us. I just think Bale is the better player and would improve is the most.
arent they totally seperate entities though?. Bale is a winger but prefers No.10. We could play Griezmann as the main striker. He would do better than Rooney
I wouldn't call it far superior. Griezmann scored 10 more, assisted less, but also player for far weaker teams. As good as Atletico is, they were a good step behind Real last year and usually score much less goals than Real. And one season he played for an average Sociedad side, where he scored 16 in the league as a winger, that's pretty respectable too. We can only imagine how it would look if Griezmann played 2 seasons for Real and Bale for Atletico and Sociedad. I think there would be a good chance that Bale couldn't compete at all. For me, Griezmann was better the last 2 years anyway, stats are not everything, Bales last season is a good proof for that.
He is also younger of course, for me that's just a signing Real/Barca usually do, Griezmann, De Bruyne, Verratti, Pogba, the next potentially superstars, who want to win everything. Better for me than they guys who did it already at Real/Barca 4 years later and will only join us because of money and because their "dream club" want to get rid like Bale or that Angel guy.
Read that already a few times, but I think position-wise they are comparable. Griezmann is not the guy upfront or the target man. He played as left winger for Sociedad and plays behind the striker for Atletico. Bale is a winger, but had his best season in a free role behind the striker, exactly the position where he will play this season too. So they are good comparable for me, wouldn't call anyone of them more attacking-minded (they are not the same player types of course, but position-wise similiar imo).
Griezmann would be after Müller probably the perfect fit for the second striker role, which is the number 10 in van Gaal's system.
ah interesting insight. Thanks dude. I never saw any of Griezmann's Sociedad days.
mmm difficult one to call then. I get the impression Bale just isnt going to be obtainable until at least next season whereas theatrically we could pay the buy out clause of Griezmann and get him in tomorrow if we wanted. Both would fit in this squad perfectly. If I had to choose right now I would choose Bale.
why are we comparing? they are different types of players but i'd be happy with either. No, delighted with either. Stop being gimps. Gimps
Free Bale from the Bernaboos
so we are apparently relying on the boo boys so we can make our move? 
I want the window to finish now, it has become ridiculous beyond anything I could ever imagine.
I want the window to finish now, it has become ridiculous beyond anything I could ever imagine.
Don't question the fecking metric, peasant.so we are apparently relying on the boo boys so we can make our move?
I want the window to finish now, it has become ridiculous beyond anything I could ever imagine.
At this point I just want us to go balls deep into the market and blow some shit up. I want Woody to activate Griuezmann's 57M release clause and flop his nuts on the table at the same time. Game over bitches.
But I'll settle for Mane.
But I'll settle for Mane.
Now we know why Ed's been flying to Spain so often.so we are apparently relying on the boo boys so we can make our move?
"Boooo, sell him I say."
Prefer Zekhnini
No thanks. Bale would be way overpriced for his ability. Griezmann please
Get both bale and griezmann
I DON'T care about stats. The fact that Bale rejected united twice when Giggs went all the way for him and is playing at a club which creates a lot more chances than Atleti, and is older so general rule of thumb would be that he is more mature. So then when u compare, especially thinking that he scored only 15 odd goals in the last term ...... Then, no thank you, I'd prefer Griezmann over him. He IS a united fan, would fit the system better and has more years to improve
By the way, for the muppets sake, why isn't there a Naymar thread ..... Let's have fun there for a couple of days
At this point given our rivals have made some big moves, Woodward needs to pull something big out of the bag. To me Bale would make us title contenders but it's not going to happen.
So we need to look at who we can sign that has pace to burn and can almost single handedly win us games. The way that Ronaldo used to for us and Bale did for Spurs.
So we need to look at who we can sign that has pace to burn and can almost single handedly win us games. The way that Ronaldo used to for us and Bale did for Spurs.
Real, Barca, Bayern do not need to sell anyone if they don't want to so we shouldn't be looking at those clubs for players. Just because some fans boo him doesn't mean Real will sell or in fact that he wants to leave.
We should focus on more realistic targets.
We should focus on more realistic targets.
That's Ed alright. A Freudian slip to sum up the whole window.
who is realistic target.
It's your preference but it's wrong to use it as a stick to beat Bale with. I'd prefer Bale but either would be a massive upgrade both would be sensational!
We already did and bought 4 players,isnt that enough?
A hot prospect from the Dutch league and Schweinsteiger from Bayern.
We don't know because we don't know what is happening in the background. Media is guessing and they became very bad at it.
I think we are seriously chasing Muller but can't see Bayern selling him, Bale is option because fans hate him and if he have another "bad" season (infact he didn't have that bad season) the price will drop and Bale could ask for a transfer, Griezmann is a posibility but his buyout clause was just just raised this summer when he signed new contract, Lacazette signed new contract this summer too, Reus had cheap buyout clause but he signed new contract last season which indicates he don't want the move.
But there is still a posibility that we are working on a target who was never linked with us similar what happened with Darmian. It just few days till the end of the transfer market and we will see soon if we will bring someone in.
Will be here next season. He's in a no win chase the fans just haven't taken to him....
Umm... No clearly it's not. I'm not faulting what's been done this summer. I'm just saying the rebuilding job was so big that it's still not complete. And at one point it looked like we had majorly closed the gap on them but with the signings that are making and I expect them to add more, we have work to do.
It will probably take another 2 transfer windows to get the players we want/need,no point in replacing half a team in a transfer window.
Why not?! The team currently lacks goals and most of the new signings look like they've settled in nicely already? Plus I think we have to accept that this season is too early for a title charge. So get the players in now and give them a season to settle.
DDG for Bale on the last day of the window?
Griezmann may have scored 10 more but if you scale Bale's up he gets to 34/35 goals and 28 assists - a lot more impressive than Griezmann (I appreciate this is not how stats work and is very simplistic). However, I do agree that stats are not everything, but even taking stats out of the equation, I believe Bale to be the superior player.
What I don't agree with is the 'well he played for a smaller club, therefore he would score loads at Barca or Real' argument. Bale scored loads of goals for Tottenham and was virtually a one man team. You have players like Suarez who scored 31 goals for Liverpool and then he goes to Barcelona and scores half of that and registers slightly more assists.
One thing with Bale - his family live in the UK. He wouldn't be unhappy to live back in the UK. It's not like Di Maria and his wife who really didn't want to be here. Bale would have a better environment here, both personally and professionally, than he currently has in Madrid. That was not the case with Di Maria.
You should be scaling Griezmann's end product up, not Bale's. Griezmann's teams over the last two seasons have scored 129 goals in the league. Madrid scored 222. To compare the two directly and come to the conclusion that Griezmann's record is much less impressive is utterly mental.
It's not mental at all. Even less so when you consider Griezmann missed 6 games and Bale missed 20 over that period.
Stats can be twisted in many ways. If you take them at face value, you can argue that as Bale's stats are better, Madrid's goals are better, therefore Griezmann's teams would have scored more with Bale playing instead. That's why I don't like using them as the be all and end all as you often end up in pointless debates that go round and round in circles as everyone interprets them in different ways.
Yeah, like I said, utterly mental
I never said I was arguing that, I gave it as an example of how some people could interpret it.
Like I said, you have chosen to interpret the stats differently to me. We will go round in circles as you have seemingly subscribed to the 'if Griezmann played for Barca or Real, he would've scored lots more' view. I don't.
I don't know what the obsession over him is, a fantastic player but he's playing at one of the biggest clubs in the world, can't we just as a club apply common sense and logic and stop this nonsense of pursuing unrealistic targets? I'm tired of it. Give me Griezmann anyday, a more realistic target and an equally brilliant attacker.
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